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ben_vulpes: i'd rather you invest those 5 btc rather than simply give them; it doesn't make a great deal fo sense to 'give' a notionally someday-profitable entity money and furthermore i'd rather you didn't just wash your hands of the whole thing if i can convince you to stick around.
mod6: What I'm offering, if it is more palatable, is for me to return the Foundation's money and make that whole again, and instead offer up a 5 BTC private / or gift to Pizarro.
mod6: I'll admit that how it is with the 1-to-1 matching and so forth with asciilifeform, seems to be a bit of 'bubblegum+shoestring', which, let's face facts, it is. This is somewhat of an emergency put together entity.
mod6: And I believe that answer, passing the smell test, was "Yes, indeed it can." "This is a useful expendature of the monies."
mod6: there might be a better way to go about this without the Foundation's involvement. Like I said before, I could have just put up my own coin for this. Just again, as discussed yesterday, the thought was "Can The Bitcoin Foundation do something here to help Pizarro, for the Republic and the betterment of Bitcoin as a whole?" ☟︎
mod6: So reading through some of the comments, questions, concerns rasised by mircea_popescu, and diana_coman, I started thinking yesterday that maybe -- since there are specifically hard-to-draw lines between mod6's role as Foundation Co-Chair, ben_vulpes's role as Foundation Co-Chair and their roles as ``managers'' or ``management'' in Pizarro ...
mircea_popescu: i solved nothing.
asciilifeform: so then i cannot resist to ask, how did mircea_popescu solve the surgeons
mircea_popescu: i dun recall an article.
asciilifeform: i recall the story of the addicted surgeons. was there a ro trilema on subj, or only the 1 thread here ?
mircea_popescu: i dunno dood, it's largely a personal matter. as far as visible from outside, http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-16#1715079 is as good an approximation as any. ☝︎
mircea_popescu: "random guy i picked to treat as daddy refuses to '''prove his love for me''' ie satisfy my http://trilema.com/2009/exceptionalismul-feminin/ expectations and therefore HE HATES ME!!11". because the 9yo ego decides the relationships and stuff. nuts.
mircea_popescu: such a fine rant it was, too! however, i looked over teh pizarro logs, an' there's evidently no room for it. so good for you! my poor rant, now has nowhere to go an' nothing to do ;/
mircea_popescu: in other news, ben_vulpes / mod6 , i had a good rant all summoned up on the topic of "motherfucker, after years of watching me do business publicly, including the lot with bingoboingo, you lot revert to the tardstalk style of 'secrecy' the moment gotta stop nodding along and actually put hands into pie".
diana_coman: also: is ave1's blog in the rss list? I find it quite useful ☟︎
diana_coman: trinque, I agree
fromloper: I joke that the OS is actually cursed since every CPU arch that it has been ported to has died relatively fast. Since it's being ported right now to x86_64 I hope I'm actually right.
shinohai: I've heard of it, but wasn't interested because closed source.
fromloper: Maybe no one here knows, but I figured it's worth a shot asking. Your community seems very knowledgeable and security conscious.
fromloper: I guess. My main question for your community here concerns OS security. Basically, is OpenVMS too good to be true?
fromloper: Interesting, although I feel the 50 btc fee might be a bit high nowadays for attracting new users.
fromloper: I have several questions, mostly for Stan, but since you are here, is Mpex still functional?
hanbot: phf> so by coming wednesday i'll release a c differ, that conforms to current vpatch format, but will hopefully let hanbot finish the wp-mp genesis << kickass, looking forward to it.
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron yes, the idea back then was to send 24 fgs so as to supply 2each for the at the time dozen boxes i was trying to ship over. the latter part fell through, but as i thought the former part was still executed, and in phf's hands, i was trying to unwind it.
danielpbarron: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-18#1784884 << i am confused. was i supposed to send FGs? i can do this, but they are mine to sell whereas the pogos are yours. it is unclear to me what they should sell for, except that many went for 400 USD on ebay ☝︎
mod6: I've gotta do a few chores around here, bbs.
BingoBoingo: Fuck it, I will bake post now.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I'm getting dental work done tomorrow. I would like to blog the experience of turning 32 in Montevideo with Pictures, but I guess that can be a separate blog.
mircea_popescu: lol so why not blog it, i enjoy telling that sorta thing.
BingoBoingo: <mod6> ben_vulpes, BingoBoingo, asciilifeform : Keep me honest here, am I missing / forgetting anything else that needs to be unearthed? << BingoBoingo sent a tarball of fiat side paperwork, datacenter and BingoBoingo's South America allowance paid through march. Emotional back and forth on BingoBoingo's part of the sort where "Uruguayos can all fuck themselves" to "This place isn't so bad, but all the Uruguayos can go fuck themselves".
mod6: Fair enough. I still would like to see it continue.
a111: Logged on 2018-02-18 05:42 mod6: Furthermore, I may be the only investor left in S.NSA, and I would very much like to see it continue.
mod6: I'm not seeing it show up yet, maybe copy that text just to be sure. I think we're still working out the kinks on that.
a111: Logged on 2018-02-18 17:45 ben_vulpes: (not to derail, but i've moved the Pizarro provisional charter to http://pizarroisp.net/?p=3 , comments actively sought from eg diana_coman hanbot mircea_popescu lobbes )
diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-18#1784737 <- I've left a comment there ☝︎
mircea_popescu dug it up ye ancient manifest. there's 112 A3 and 10 A1s, of which iirc jurov got a dozen back then, so i assume there's 76 and 10 left ; and 24 a3s with phf. ie a coupla grand in today's fiats.
mircea_popescu: and since there can never be a better time than the present time : following up on asciilifeform's expert advice, i bought a crate of pogos um... about three years ago, jan/feb 2015, ie when the bitcoin was ~400. they're just as rare now as they were then, and they could have been bought today for the ~same i paid for them then. meaning i lost 95 bitcents to the bitcoin on this deal, for howevermany bitcoins i cared to sink i
phf: mircea_popescu: well, i know that hanbot is waiting for a vdiffer that can actually produce a genesis from what she has, current one fails because of the whole -- regexing
phf: by wednesday after that, i'll add keccak to it, and by yet next wednesday a c patcher that can eat a proper vpatch
a111: Logged on 2018-02-02 21:26 mircea_popescu: 11 days should be enough for alf to bake the boxes i expect. danielpbarron i think he's better suited as they're right next to each other ; but pending discussion with bb can you fedex some pogos ?
phf: so by coming wednesday i'll release a c differ, that conforms to current vpatch format, but will hopefully let hanbot finish the wp-mp genesis
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-18#1784792 << i got overwhelmed with vdiff becoming all things to all people, and since 4 year designs are no longer in vogue, i'm going to change the strategy and unblock specific people waiting for me ☝︎
mod6: ben_vulpes, BingoBoingo, asciilifeform : Keep me honest here, am I missing / forgetting anything else that needs to be unearthed?
mircea_popescu: sounds like plenty and i know from experience it won't be nearly enough. but ty.
phf: i can keep them until end of may
mircea_popescu: phf yeah, actually, i should prolly take the rest of them from him, rather than stuff back in. they're long overdue. mind holding on to the grosse for a little ?
phf: i believe dpb is in between houses so there will be some time before he has a reliable return address, but we've already agreed to as much
a111: Logged on 2018-02-18 18:26 ben_vulpes: i'd been drafting what turned into the charter from very nearly the very beginning; there's no arrangements or agreements that are not covered in the linked document.
mircea_popescu: for the record http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-18#1784603 doesn't actually square with http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-17#1784318 ; but if you say as ben_vulpes said that http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-18#1784794 i will believe, as it neither breaks my bones nor picks my pocket. then it'll get enshrined through the passage of time, and then if we later discover it was not factual we're going to have a fine mess on our hands. so ☝︎☝︎☝︎
phf: i seem to recall that the original request was for FGs, so i was surprised to see pogos in the box, but they then the point was already moot. (box got here on friday, i picked it up saturday afternoon)
a111: Logged on 2018-02-18 14:49 danielpbarron: mircea_popescu, the pogos? i sent them and phf has them
phf: there seemed to be some miscommunicaton, because the box that i received only contains pogos. in fact http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-18#1784667 http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-18#1784678 http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-18#1784730 are at odds with each other ☝︎☝︎☝︎
mircea_popescu: i can follow it.
mod6: I'm starting to agree that the foundation is not useful.
mircea_popescu: but i think the above is satisfactory.
mod6: I don't think 'sheild/ralying' flag. More of "is this thing useful". Much to your question that I tackled you about a few weeks back.
mod6: I could step up and remove the foundation from the entire thing, and put in my own coin.
a111: Logged on 2018-02-18 05:04 trinque: I'd say any judgment of how they're doing (at what, a day in?) is premature.
ben_vulpes: yeah, i remember that text from spelunking
ben_vulpes: actually i betcha i do know, i had to port the comments widgetry to this theme when i mpwpd myself.
mircea_popescu: maybe i'm doing something wrong ?
ben_vulpes: yaok, i saw a comment earlier. no idea how it got in there.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes fix the comments then i'll explain what i mean by reference to it!
ben_vulpes: well, i don't quite know what you mean by "stretch capital". republic gotta have an ISP; and it should be able to turn a profit and pay the foundation back. if it fails to do that, it'll be disappointing and i'll probably resign for mismanagement. initially mod6 and i were considering taking the entire venture on through the foundation when asciilifeform offered to match.
mod6: I'd note that we were a bit reluctant to do this to begin with -- hence the late entrance to the venture. I think we were hoping that others would step and run it, but alas, no one did.
mircea_popescu: i take it the comments never got tested or anything ? anyways.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes every time i try to comment it says "stale page".
ben_vulpes: i'd been drafting what turned into the charter from very nearly the very beginning; there's no arrangements or agreements that are not covered in the linked document. ☟︎
a111: Logged on 2017-01-08 04:43 mircea_popescu: now - wut of all of this ? maybe it was the same guy, i guess, maybe there was a conspiracy to reboot the server, i guess, maybe etcetera. i'm unconvinced nor do i see it matters any.
mircea_popescu: alternatively i might've not sold, and pursue him. this is the sort of option capital offers one -- you can always take your pick of two options in this vein. and if you can't, you've been swindled, not doing business.
mod6: ok. i see.
mircea_popescu: but no, it wasn't a personal loan to bb, it was a loan to bb's corp which bb guaranteed ; but which guarantee i let lapse when i sold (ie, didn't transfer to you, ie, yo ucan't now ask him for 2 btc * 8k usd or w/e the exact numbers were)
a111: Logged on 2018-02-17 19:53 BingoBoingo: diana_coman: One thing I've learned people watching here... It turns out boys are the shy gender.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-17#1784526 << if i never said this on trilema i regret it, because yes, totally. ☝︎
mod6: (fwiw, I mearly read ".8 BTC debt to MP" as something of a personal loan to BB since he was owner)
mod6: I may, indeed, need some education on basic finance. When it came to the .8 BTC owed to you, I never figured in anything like that. Are there terms that we were unaware of? Do you feel owed more than .8 BTC?
mod6: Alright, well, I think I might be missing something between the lines.
mircea_popescu: because, obviously, if i lend to someone who has 10% chances of surviving, i want 10x my money so i can lend to ten of them and get a (slight, 5% sort of slight) profit.
mod6: (Am I following here?)
mod6: Alright, so as things in a start-up start to go south business-wise, for whatever reason, i.e. product sucks, whatever, the corresponding revenue/credit crunch makes it more and more difficult to service the debt.
mircea_popescu: i'll catch it with teh rest of the logs.
ben_vulpes: (not to derail, but i've moved the Pizarro provisional charter to http://pizarroisp.net/?p=3 , comments actively sought from eg diana_coman hanbot mircea_popescu lobbes ) ☟︎
mircea_popescu: if i lend a btc to a guy, in a market where the discount rate (what AVERAGE capital returns are as per a, like the "cost of hotel rooms in this season/city) is 5% and whose survival rate is 33%
mod6: Fair enough, I may have just looked at the debt to be paid to you at face value -- just a simple bill that needed to be paid, as opposed to 'bonds' or something else.
a111: Logged on 2018-02-17 19:50 diana_coman: mod6, a stake in something is never "debt only" really the way I see it; honestly, would you offer to take an "iou" while at the same time being totally unwilling to even give advice if asked?
mircea_popescu: i am assuming so too. if the bill is balk-worthy we figure something out.
mod6: I'm assuming the cost for these won't sink us right
mod6: I expect quick turn around on questions -- As when emailing support, most queries can be responded to quickly. Others, maybe take 24-48 hours to have sorted.
mod6: If I don't know the answer straight off, will ask ben_vulpes or whomever needs to be asked.
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> ben_vulpes / mod6 do you want these ? (which one of you do i talk about re day to day bbisp bidniss ?). << you can talk to me any time about these things, or anything else really.
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: i'm more interested in the remaining supplies of fuckgoats; can i get a quote for 15 of them?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform apparently i have to flag you as F on them ; for which we have to both be in. so at your leisure.
a111: Logged on 2018-02-17 19:30 a111: Logged on 2016-10-04 14:17 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform in other news i registered #loper-os and #asciilifeform defensively ; whenever you feel like building them up say and i'll pass them along.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-17#1784449 << i said i was going to check in a coupla times a week! ☝︎
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes / mod6 do you want these ? (which one of you do i talk about re day to day bbisp bidniss ?).
danielpbarron: mircea_popescu, the pogos? i sent them and phf has them ☟︎
BingoBoingo: This is a point. During a solid chunk of my formative young adult years my brain was somewhat insulated from a lot of the fiat world crap through having been preserved in cosmoline. And by cosmoline I mean cheap vodka.
mircea_popescu: so in no case what he needs is middle management ; moreover i expect half his problems come from inept fiatworld having its usual "one solution to end all problems".
a111: Logged on 2018-02-18 14:06 mircea_popescu: the slowest release schedule in the world and all the rest of the stuff people don't say because they're affraid i might crack them one if they did say it certainly aren't driving anything into anything, rite. because we're playing Alf's Beginner Transaction Psychopathology and it's all explained in there in the inside of the top of the box!
a111: Logged on 2018-02-11 14:05 mircea_popescu: the reason i'm cutting you out is because we have very poor fit, i'm a "provide general guidance and hangings" sort of manager and you evidently need a mommy, to check whether you packed your lunch and to ask if you need to pee every so often. should you find one you can certainly thrive, but you've not found her in me is all.