asciilifeform: we were speaking of 'women' , not 'she', neh
asciilifeform: could be. if only because shorter legs, even.
asciilifeform: could then be proverbial 'stopped clock shows right time', then. i've nfi.
asciilifeform: prolly bad example, nao that i think of it, pretty much any multidecade driver, incl. asciilifeform , would've handled the eggog correctly, in 50ms ( allowing for length of his legs )
asciilifeform: but mircea_popescu fredericus-drilled his driver chix to never stop without order, neh
asciilifeform: all broke down in snot ? or did a leader arise among'em, and direct repairs, give marching orders to the rest
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: wouldja care to share how they reacted, in 2+ mass, to the water outage ?
asciilifeform: i am not equipped to discern. all i got, is what's visible from my perch thus far.
asciilifeform: arbitrarily deeply trainable in specifics, but they tend to collapse under 'this system i did not even know existed, has broken down', is my impression.
asciilifeform: granted asciilifeform has 1 pet, and not 9000. but regularly witnesses the water pump scenario.
asciilifeform: if it had been written to a standard of 'i throw a dart, and you , programonkey, WILL justify the existence of this line, or die' the coadbase would weigh 1MB .
asciilifeform: ye olde lispm was pile of undergrad beer and pizza hacks, from a software quality pov.
asciilifeform: ( dos dun really belong in a discussion of systems, it is more or less 'naked x86 iron, write own os per proggy' )
asciilifeform: 1 well-understood system 'to rule'em all', fits in head and demonstrably bug-free , and babel -- ends.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the extant babel does not contribute to nonspecificity-of-diddling. if anything, quite the opposite.
asciilifeform: i deliberately wrote portable proggy. not even married, afaik, to 8bit byte.
asciilifeform: observe that ffa runs , per PeterL, on winblowz, despite asciilifeform having made 0 effort in this direction
asciilifeform: likely if no effort at all is made to debabelize.
asciilifeform: if folx continue to operate 27 pointlessly incompatible platforms, and burn their lives fiddling with otherwise healthy coad to make it go on'em, what can i say, the gods have cursed'em and it is not in my power to uncurse
asciilifeform: and whatever is in my hands that can contribute to the extermination of the pointless babel, i'ma push.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i dunno if i will live to see the end of nonstandard iron / os / junkyard wars. but would like to, at any rate.
asciilifeform: and this specifically includes, tho not limited to , #ifdef pdp11 ...
asciilifeform: my orig point -- asciilifeform won't be in the future signing coad that he is not equipped to run / study in detail.
asciilifeform: it is my understanding that they tossed'em 1500 or so yrs back.
asciilifeform: if microshit ends up back from the dead and intellectually dominating the darkfyootoor , it can continue the old branch, and old dead asciilifeform won't be able to do a thing about it
asciilifeform: i cut winblowz #ifdefolade out of trb because i did not read it and don't intend to.
asciilifeform: the kabbalist is intellectually ahead of the ifdefist -- he reads what he comments/copies.
asciilifeform: what asciilifeform would like, is at the very least to stop elongating the dead branches himself. and to stop encouraging others. for this, it is necessary to actually cut the variants into branches.
asciilifeform: granted if they differ in pointless/trivial ways, e.g. targeting extinct iron, that's on the conscience of the folx continuing to elongate (supposing any exist) those branches.
asciilifeform: i dun object to junkyard wars -- if and where we must. but there is even there a 'up tree' and 'down tree' approach.
asciilifeform: it's perhaps the most illustrative argument, of folx who oughta know better, issuing the others with ladder with which to climb back into proverbial tree.
asciilifeform: why settle for small change of ibm xt, can ask re, e.g., nuke.
asciilifeform: the 2 apes require very diff approaches. for one, it is possible to think of something like engineering. for other -- train, the way one trains circus seals.
asciilifeform: 'specific countermeasures' are imho rather wrongheaded approach. step1 is to correctly sort the shaved apes into the type that tries ( with variable success ) to climb ~down~ from trees, and the type which (ditto) ~back up~, and proceed from there
asciilifeform: the multilayered pile of ??? produced by 'programmer', is not so diff from schoolboy's pile of layered , tottering excuses for not having done the proverbial homework
asciilifeform: ( same braincase, also observe, seems to be optimized -- in factory model -- for baking justifications/bamboozlements/'cheque is in the mail' nonsense; and when applied to the technical , reliably produces 'surprisingly identical' piles of shit, also not surprising )
asciilifeform: braincase that worx ok for walking around and not crashing into trees, is of limited use for moar complicated/abstract work, whod'vethunkit
asciilifeform: re the 3+5=11's , for some small # of possible values of 11, it dun strike me as in any way astonishing that folx with the same physiology will suffer same psychopathologies.
asciilifeform: faraday threw hands over magnetic field lines, also, what of it.
asciilifeform: dun differ so much from the , what, half of the planet that thought that they think with their stomach
asciilifeform: lulzily, asciilifeform was stuck in a winblowz slave galley some yrs ago, and ported whole buncha 'how does this even run, but it does' to cygwin
asciilifeform: i am not equipped to test the e.g. ppc routines; and ill-equipped to study'em and certify. and really if somebody wants'em badly, he oughta make use of v and make his branch.
asciilifeform: consider why asciilifeform removed the #ifdefolade ( and consequently, ALL asm inlines ) from mpi.
asciilifeform: when you sign a snipped containing #ifdef pdp ... wtf() #endif , you are , unless explicitly otherwise claimed, signing a thing that you haven't the foggiest notion of running, or even statically digging into
asciilifeform: phf: you dun see a difference between printf() and wtf-func-that-only-exists-on-pdp() ?
asciilifeform: witness, for instance, how the linux kernel became a 'katamari' of shit-you-will-never-run-even-if-you-live-for-9000-yrs
asciilifeform: the correct way to handle the 'gotta change these 17 things to work on pdp11' problem is: v.
