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mod6: haha, indeed. I seem to remember reading something way later about m00t. maybe someone mentioned it here.

mircea_popescu: i think that was 2009

mod6: Ah, that was a different cover. I guess in 2009 it was "Person of the Year". Seriously. Person. Of. The. Year.

mod6: The Bernak had just bailed out the banks. I remember some Time Magazine cover "The Hero." Or some such nonsense, scary stuff.

mod6: I had remembered reading about that in there, probably in like 99 or 2000. This was eight years later. I knew though, once it was a thing, then I had to get involved.

mod6: Wasn't actually too much later I was walkin down the street in Tucson thinking... "I wonder when someone is going to make a currency out of cryptography like Schneier was talking about in Applied Crypto.."

mircea_popescu: i imagined.

asciilifeform: aa i'll make one, np. it's ugly tho. still massaging out the process.

mod6: Umm no. Those mesquite trees and palo verde trees have NASTY barbs on them. After cutting down 1 mesquite tree it looked like I got into a fight with a wolverine.

mod6: I needed some cash in like 2008 and was like, "alright, lemme get a saw and do some slash & burn for cash...". Was thinking, "Oh yeah, eazy-money, here we go!"

mod6: Did I ever tell you guys about doing tree work down in Arizona?

mod6: some days though, i really do miss running the chainsaw and the smell - the trees, the gasoline

mircea_popescu: i guess we're lucky to have him, huh

mod6: I had a guy tell me with a straight face, "I only write performant code."

ben_vulpes: there was also an ad for some kind of novel pharmacofinelyspunhydrocarbon for the sexually-active-but-wanting-to-not-catch-teh-HIV (which, excuse me darling, why are they advertising us aidsmeds on the craplet) that was 30% vertical space for ad and 70% vertical space dedicated to a slow-scroll of finetext with i shit thee not buttons that had triggerable down and up states but *did not affect the scrolling*

ben_vulpes: god damn the whole internet is garbage. last night i was idly looking into long-term synovial fluid health (surprise: webmd is useless and all that google will return results for i wonder why) and found several webshites that while scrolling would arbitrarily jump the page an inch or so at specific points the reasoning for which i could not determine

ben_vulpes: i've not been on fetlife in some time so i couldn't say

shinohai: I agree. my trb node runs on very old compaq which is actually far superior. I played Eulora on it when I first started (using ssh -X !) because the keyboard is long borked.

mircea_popescu: shinohai i got a hp laptop recently too, say, but desktops really should be assembled from parts.

shinohai: Hey .... I got an hp xD

mircea_popescu: no but i mean the fucking lameness of it. dood's got a "well rounded internet experience", he's got a mortgage and a boring wife and a boring job and a hp he bought at the store, and he "logs in" for a coupla hours four times a week or w/e. every nine weeks and a half we pop up again in the rotation, he's done 4chan, reddit, facebook, whatever, "i wonder what THOSE zany kids are up to these days".

ag3nt_zer0: trinque: hi. they were connected. if trb nodes are still being desired, i am trying to set one up. i am trying to install GNUGPG on the linux machine so i can verify trb sigs. and i keep getting this problem described above

ag3nt_zer0: encountering this problem here installing packages required for GNUGPG ubuntu install. telling me i need for instance libgcrypt to build this program, when libgcrypt was the first one i configured - perhaps I was supposed to tell it where to configure? sorry no pastebin i am on another computer here...

ag3nt_zer0: i'm not hip to the details. is it still desirable to get trb nodes up?

diana_coman: lol! at least I ...found it

diana_coman: mircea_popescu, the first error I find in my published code, yes; there was the mpi error I corrected, previously

trinque: shinohai: nothing wrong, just wait time can be up to 24hrs, and yesterday was busybusy. I'll get to ya this morning.

mod6: <+mircea_popescu> that's what i like about idiots, that they're determinedly idiotic. rarely you run into amateurs, it's generally pros all the way. << "expert beginners"

mircea_popescu: and it shows ; google has become, steadily but acceleratingly, worthless for research. i pointed this out, but the sum total of pantsuit complaints, summed again to the closest integer, is also zero.

shinohai: I don't think people do any actual research anymore tbh.

mircea_popescu: the sum total of "internet users" from the "informatrion superhighway" who sat down at any point since 2016 going "hmm... i wonder what my opinion of this hanno bock character should be. let's do some research..." is, rounded to the closest integer, zero.

mircea_popescu: that's what i like about idiots, that they're determinedly idiotic. rarely you run into amateurs, it's generally pros all the way.

shinohai: trinque: plz to check my deedbot tx when you awaken and ensure I didn't bork something? Thank you.

mod6: I'm gonna try again with a different browser.

mod6: I'll link my questions in #pizarro.

mod6: I'm finding it hard to paste my things into there.

a111: Logged on 2018-02-17 21:13 ben_vulpes: i would also like to deposit these funds with a non-involved individual to seal in blood the capitalization of this entity

ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-20#1785233 << http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-17#1784554 << treasurer still wanted, but i'll do the duties if nobody steps up; actually strikes me as a core responsibility of the manager of a bitcoin company ☝︎☝︎

mod6: mircea_popescu: That might be something for us to consider, I do believe that ben_vulpes said he would handle this himself, at least for now. I guess there no reason why one couldn't be brought on later if the labor involved in that becomes to great for the operations manager.

mod6: (That's all I've got for now, other than those things, looks pretty good to me ben_vulpes. Nice work!)

BingoBoingo: <ben_vulpes> mircea_popescu: i gotta say that i do not understand the point of the candid photo request << There is a crisis of faith, and the request is for an act of good faith in addressing the crisis.

ben_vulpes: i worry it'll wreck a thing i value and have put some sweat into for reasons beyond my ken.

mircea_popescu: i'm going out on a limb here. i get to say what are teh trifles.

ben_vulpes: sure. i'd hate to lose your custom or his capitalization over what seems to me a trifle whose import i do not understand in the context of the isp.

ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: i gotta say that i do not understand the point of the candid photo request

ben_vulpes: i'm just going to grieve this beer: http://signage.showprg.com/GHC2017/day.php?number=4

joecool: ben_vulpes: i'm pulling the rest of the documents off pacer right now

shinohai: Oh I'm very curious, wondering if this is a hoaxtoshi sham or what.

ben_vulpes: i'm actually curious about the joecool scoop

diana_coman: I'll focus for now on eucrypt; it has anyway ada-c integration itself so I'll see what I have by the end

mircea_popescu: diana_coman i guess once the eucrypt adventure is sealed a cover letter re ada-c integration may be a good idea, for future reference.

joecool: BingoBoingo: will do, I will not frame it as such

diana_coman: but again, adacore gprbuild, I can't vouch for any other version atm

diana_coman: fwiw re gprbuild the more I read on it the more I like it actually

joecool: BingoBoingo: probable creators of bitcoin filed suit against each other last week, I have the complaint ☟︎

diana_coman: I would say: use adacore!

diana_coman: well, I can talk only about gprbuild from ada being bright enough

diana_coman: theoretically as far as I can tell it's a feature, not a bug aka "it's not gnatmake's business to do this, go use gprbuild"

diana_coman: gprbuild from adacore works however fine to build aggregate libs as far as I can tell

shinohai: I'm sure with time they can get that number closer to 100%

BingoBoingo: <mod6> I'm gonna give mircea_popescu, diana_coman, BingoBoingo, asciilifeform, phf, and others time to catch up and weigh in, if so desired.<< It appears my opportunity to worry on this came and was addressed while getting the tooth repaired. 2300 pesos. That

mod6: What a time to be alive, I tell you.

mod6: (did I just not see it? maybe it's already there somewhere)

mod6: trinque: hey, suggestion here for deedbot.org -- A link from the homepage to the Help (help.html) would be nice. or i'd settle for one in the "frequently asked questions" page too.

mod6: I think it's worth it, to go through the hairpulling, to turn it from "adventure" into "venture".

mod6: I hope that it would be an initial amount that will get pizarro off the launch pad.

mod6: I agree, on both parts mircea_popescu.

mod6: It did me too, but I figured what he meant from 11 BTC total.

mircea_popescu: o fuck, yeah. i meant 5.

ben_vulpes: anyways, i appreciate everyone's time in refining the structure.

ben_vulpes: i'll let the other two chime in.

mircea_popescu: gullible fool that i am, i will even allow myself to be seduced into living the 5th point ; on conditions : to asciilifeform that he principally sticks to a timekeeping and scheduling method of his design, at the bare minimum the proverbial chess clock and corkboard ; and subsidiarily that he gets the girl to take a (~candid!~) shot of him with the instruments sometime this week. give the girl a camera, have her take a bunch,

ben_vulpes: mod6: i can get this drafted with plenty of time for asciilifeform to review before his evening visit

ben_vulpes: i steal from teh best

ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: i hadn't disclosed that yet, at the time of purchase it seemed appropriate to disclose in the monthly

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-19#1785018 << how did it end up owning iron, i missed out on this. ☝︎

mircea_popescu: i'm not saying your work is worthless ; i am however saying it's a difficult to price category.

ben_vulpes: i'm actually thinking to capitalize by working on the thing; could easily eat 3.5 btc of my time in the first year alone

mircea_popescu: mod6 i thought it was more of a "umm... more of these ? ya ok."

mircea_popescu: hey, i took girls to llamas! WE ARE APPROACHING

trinque: I mean, I'll be curious when y'all start an alpaca farm, but hey

trinque: ben_vulpes obviously said it better than I could have. the foundation's interests are in bitcoin; couldn't be more broad a justification for involvement in society as the chairs deem.

mircea_popescu: mod6 nothing prevents you from discussing it publicly. "here's the issue before the board, here's what i think foundation should do, here's what ben_vulpes thinks it should do, this is what we'll be doing, comment"

ben_vulpes: i don't see why not

mod6: Can I represent the foundation from one seat, and then myself from another?

ben_vulpes: mod6: you and i decide who to stick on it

mod6: Here's the thing, if the foundation gets a board seat, who is to represent it impartially or what not? In the given case where I have 1 board seat from say 1 BTC, and ben has one from 1 BTC.

mod6: What I think is that it maybe clearer, better for Pizarro to have private investment -- especially since the two co-chairs are also going to be involved in either "management" or "board seats".

mircea_popescu: but i also think it's sensible for people involved to contribute capital privately.

mircea_popescu: i don't think it's undefensible in the least to say "well, item x has to work, we can't deny it capital, so we're there in the front line". which is kinda what it came to.

mod6: trinque: to me, it's not that expendature is inappropriate, that's not what I'm saying. I think trying to help Pizarro get off the launch pad is a great thing for the Foundation to do.

a111: Logged on 2018-02-19 16:45 mod6: there might be a better way to go about this without the Foundation's involvement. Like I said before, I could have just put up my own coin for this. Just again, as discussed yesterday, the thought was "Can The Bitcoin Foundation do something here to help Pizarro, for the Republic and the betterment of Bitcoin as a whole?"

mod6: mircea_popescu: I think the offer on the table, from ben_vulpes, was for him to be "manager". Am I correct, ben_vulpes?

ben_vulpes: mod6: i think you meant "board members" upstack, not "managers"

ben_vulpes: trinque: i maintain that the expenditures to date have been appropriate and legitimate, but am compelled by mod6's argument that actually embroiling the foundation in the ownership of Pizarro complicates it unnecessarily

ben_vulpes: so ftr i've disposed of 1.16578854 BTC of the foundation's capital this month; 0.8 in purchasing mircea_popescu's debt and 0.36578854 in servers owned by the foundation; so the sum to which the foundation's piggy is involved is 0.8 BTC

mod6: I also still plan to, if I can get a few minutes here, to publish V 99993.

ben_vulpes: it's gonna make things complicated on statements this month but i can handle that

mod6: I'm gonna give mircea_popescu, diana_coman, BingoBoingo, asciilifeform, phf, and others time to catch up and weigh in, if so desired.

mod6: I think I could be persuaded to do that.