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asciilifeform: 'bout the same as we cry for the church derps voltaire poured cement on
mircea_popescu: "but mp, it worked. and we loved it". at least the horses were alive, that merits something. "but our figments and hallucinations -- just as alive to us!!!"
mircea_popescu is vaguely curious if a century hence there will be tears shed over "all the destruction". someone's gonna cry for systemd, what.
asciilifeform: lots and lotsa grade-a folx , literally outta the mud, and straight into 'take country from wooden plough to thermonuke and moon buggy'
a111: Logged on 2017-02-03 05:29 phf: my mom had one of those "papa escaped the purges by burning all paperwork but life got tough when they took our governess" piano teachers, who would lament about being forced to teach peasants and brown folk, not on racial grounds as much as "you have to have a bidet in your house for 3 generations, before you can touch a piano"
asciilifeform: sovok , fwiw, properly poured cement over the http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-03#1611080 thing ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-12-02 00:07 asciilifeform: there's a preserved communique from stalin to hrusch, where the latter served up umpteenth list of meat grinder candidates and stalin replied 'rejected, have measure, idiot'
mircea_popescu: is the only distinction that i don't actually hang the various negrated morons ? because i can swear it is to me a merely cosmetic matter, i would not lift finger one to stop it if they were in fact beheaded for it, and stalin did MORE than me in this vein, hence http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-02#1877763 ☝︎
mircea_popescu: and i daresay that the thing is working admirably well ; but not nearly as well as the sovok mechanism did in fact work -- the imperial officers would never have beaten the wehrmacht, for one thing.
mircea_popescu: in any case, you will notice that we ourselves are purging this supposed "elite" and growing one, literally, from our arse.
asciilifeform: e.g. i have a (long-dead) distant kinsman whose father stayed alive in '20s strictly cuz he burned his swiss diploma. pretty sure ~erryone in sovokistans has a similar tale.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> i dun have a better algo to give for how to reformat a cultural hdd , afaik that's still the state of the art. << Well there is the US Socialist Disney block by block reformat algo as well ☟︎
mircea_popescu: diana_coman but ~which people~ ? whole point of industrialization is moving from the traditional to the modern. is the idea that ceausescu is somehow personally responsible for the fact ? ☟︎
mircea_popescu: any kind of ro elite was long gone by the time ceausescu came in, he gets to hide behind ye olde "greaua mostenire" trope. ☟︎
asciilifeform: new elite grows always either from arse or from foreign conquest, from where else, martians aint about to parachute one in
diana_coman has to run, will bbl
diana_coman: also re stale bread vs new bread I disagree mircea_popescu ; people used to make their OWN bread; not stale
mircea_popescu: diana_coman what, the horses ? the "killed elite" thing would be what, i gh duca ? (and guess what, digging for that reference i also ran into -- apparently there's a piece re the afore mentioned prince) ☟︎
asciilifeform: and yes it's quite destructive. but rly not moar so than the properly-dynastic oh so civilized west euros ~thermonuking their kingdoms in ww1 for perfectly nonjacobin 'great game' reasons
diana_coman: asciilifeform, if you are into purging, at least purge the whole lot and be done with it; this sort of "let's cut the elite and then we grow a new one out of our ass" is stupid
asciilifeform: i dun have a better algo to give for how to reformat a cultural hdd , afaik that's still the state of the art.
diana_coman: for completeness, I can say that I know from direct experience both force-peasants-to-town-into-big-houses and vanish in the night for having had too much wealth beforehand; none of it (in either case) is an achievement as far as I can see
asciilifeform: diana_coman: i can't get behind the usual reaction where 'noshit, this is retarded, what didja expect' tho. how the fuck ~else~ do you properly purge an oldregime wot ?
diana_coman: mind ~exactly the same as current "equality!!!" quotas and whatnots, I consider that the moment one does this systematically, there is right to complain that he ends up with idiots
diana_coman: asciilifeform, I suppose one of those days I'll sink the time in and properly write-it all up and at least be done with it; I knew people who were not allowed to study at university because of "poor background" meaning that there parents had university studies; I also knew people who were pushed to the university because of "good background" although they did not have either inclination or desire for it; and leaving aside how this is to my
asciilifeform: tho this simply moves the recursion, ~somebody~ up the line had to let things get to this
mircea_popescu: suleyman had the worst harem possible, his mom picked it.
asciilifeform: revisiting upstack re ivan and his missing harem -- suleyman is even moar of a case of wtf, had not only correct 'church', but working harem, and then 'wrapped it around telephone pole' when roxy
asciilifeform: diana_coman: plox to expand ?
diana_coman: eh, re ceausescu, they first killed whatever elite there still was and then they got all critical and whatnot; lasati
mircea_popescu: it is quite the case usistani "superheroes" are mcdonaldization of greek pantheon, yeah.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> greek gods read rather moar like the americans' favourite 'superheroes', humanlike. << Except better because they fucked hooker and played proto blackjack
asciilifeform: greek gods read rather moar like the americans' favourite 'superheroes', humanlike.
asciilifeform: the xtian ver. seems to be considerably moar rotting of brain
mircea_popescu: i don't imagine the concept of "god" is per se harmful. greeks also had, and various others.
asciilifeform: i.e. take in some god swill with erry spoonful of latin, greek
asciilifeform: sorta how the classical education worked there.
asciilifeform: he ~did~ iirc spend moar time than is healthy around priests
mircea_popescu: i suppose matter should remain open for he who can be arsed to read on it ; that's the best i have for a theory in the meanwhile.
asciilifeform: afaik moar of palace hostage than 'peasant'
asciilifeform: regency yes, re the rest i have nfi
asciilifeform: henry had to '51%' his church into programmability, ivan -- not, was already in pos to 'from nao on you pray to my left foot'
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform wasn't ivan raised by a regency, in the manner the prince of talleyrand-perigord also describes, "as a vagrant or the poorest of the poor" ?
BingoBoingo: Henry simply did a weak XT attack on the church. Did not hang all of the pedotards
asciilifeform: recall that ivan was caesaropope
asciilifeform: it is therefore much moar of a puzzler, why didn't
mircea_popescu: this is also true.
mircea_popescu: this is true.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: d00d was in a 9000x better pos than e.g. henry viii , to make 'own church, with hookers, an' blackjack' and fuckerryone
BingoBoingo: That Xtian thing's a helluva shackle
mircea_popescu: needless to say, orc thought is dumb.
mircea_popescu: comprehending is a draw on mental energy ; comprehending women perhaps the largest ; unschooled orcs perceive this issue whereby the costs mount exponentially and the marginal benefit is nil (you can only fuck one hole at a timwe anyways!!).
asciilifeform: tho i must add, unlike shoemaker, ivan was a thinkin' man, spent good % of his life in his (lost to indiana jones warehouse) megalibrary, an' playin' chess etc with courtiers, scheming how to fuck english queen, and so forth
mircea_popescu: "why should i be bothered with a bunch of them". henry also serial-monogamized, rather than make them eat eachj other out.
a111: Logged on 2019-03-13 15:22 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform dood was quite unsophisticated, had this very... well, fundamentally a peasant's worldview, deeply optimistic and over-inclined to fit-in-head.
asciilifeform: the obv. next step, seems , is to actually use that fucking crown
asciilifeform: i still dunget fully why ivan did not enharem. he had all the 'ducks lined up', boiled in oil good % of the folx in any position to constructively object, even ran experiment where half the kingdom was a personal human-hunt reservation, to test.
mircea_popescu: also very effectual at quelling the female will-to-spawn. "do you understand what will happen if you make me an idiot ?"
mircea_popescu: but see, one needn't be stalin. officers in question had all they needed, did not apply.
mircea_popescu: "chitlins, what do they call single-node trees in the republic ?"
mircea_popescu: yes well. the word for that is manalone.
asciilifeform: afaik that there's the 'hole through which night came'
asciilifeform: he ran outta nodes tho, cuz no harem
mircea_popescu: it is the correct algo. cut off the lost node and pressure the last conneected node.
asciilifeform: ended up with vacant throne and coupla decades of kakobreklas
asciilifeform: ivan iv used this algo
mircea_popescu: b) i would deliver ~the wife~, naked other than for being beaten black and blue, straight out of the trunk into the courtyard of her ancestral home, and publicly explain to her father that if i ever hear of any of their intolerable kin he'll hear obituaries.
asciilifeform: well gorby et al ignored, where could've instead sent'em to 'hero' in afghan
mircea_popescu: a) i would ~ignore~ the sons. you've seen me do it before, yet it's not obvious to you. death of heroes belongs to they showing some promise, why muddy it up. what if i mixed some mud in your cocktail ? i would not insult the heroes-in-baking by this addition.
asciilifeform: in their stead, appoint to the succession some functional folx
asciilifeform: send the sad sons off to the front, the less braindamaged ones come back, the rest 'die the death of heroes'
asciilifeform: i'd expect it'd be same as what stalin did in this exact case
mircea_popescu: now you tell what would mp do.
a111: Logged on 2019-03-07 23:18 asciilifeform: buncha kids, mostly of local party elite, seekritly sewed themselves some semblance of ss uniform, and raised swastica flag at night on city hall; then marched to cemetery and laid half a tonne of flowers on old white army graves
mircea_popescu: suppose we're all us, but we're not us in the following sense(s) : a) we're all married, in the sovok style ; b) we all have sons, about g_l's age ; c) it comes to light that http://btcbase.org/log/2019-03-07#1900877 ☝︎
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform do me a favour, let's go through an what-if.
asciilifeform: i dun think he had the 'if they aint retarded, they will co-caesar and eventually eat me' problem -- consider pacepa.
mircea_popescu: not exactly. there must be a thread, uniting things to the center of the world. if there's no thread, there has to be a change. if the thread's valid but interrupted at center you have to recenter.
asciilifeform: aint the whole point of a vizier, to handle the 'i can either king or learn c++' problem ?
mircea_popescu: it is very difficult to surround self with viziers who understand what you don't. those are called co-caesars in rome.
asciilifeform: re 'understand' -- loox like c not only managed to avoid 'understand', but also somehow surrounded himself with viziers who ditto ?
mircea_popescu: was retroactived into "oh, he had been sick", but this is both factually untrue and completely unknown at the time. in the sense "obama is president of china" is completely unknown at this time.
mircea_popescu: but anyway -- disgustingly fat, yes, pinnacle of asskissing, yes, sent weekly letters "tov. shoemaker, to whom i remain most loyal servant" in prison, yes.
asciilifeform: i gotta bite, an' ask, how is ~that~ bit of magic maintained...? do they have an eliza running, to post as him ? or how else anyone thinks 'not dead'
mircea_popescu: to this day i remain most proud of this particular instance, out of all of trilema's time-bending achievements.
mircea_popescu: i can see it, "worked for stalin coincidentally, had ceased working by 70s". notwithstanding that the EXACT picture perfect rendition of said bootlick : http://trilema.com/2010/la-moartea-lui-adrian-paunescu/ (a fellow who i declared dead on trilema a week before he actuallty died, ro press "omitted to notice", by the way, a week later, when the "suprising event" occured)
asciilifeform: ( where actual one, sent in '37-'38 mostly folx who were the most disgusting bootlicks, fattest apparatchiks, they continued to send! him! letters! with 'tov. stalin, to whom i remain most loyal servant..' etc )
mircea_popescu: there's a somewhere in the log /me explains how this all works.
mircea_popescu: and this because he ~opted not to~ (unawaredly, but just as opted) through the exact process of "this is too stupid to understand". it is too stupid to understand ~deliberately~ and FOR THAT PURPOSE.
asciilifeform: who sent to gulag 'for joke'
asciilifeform: m thereof
asciilifeform: i suspect he was working from stalin, but not the actual one, but own mental phanto
mircea_popescu: and he systematically didn't understand the ~only set of dorks who belonged in jail, as a sort of public service, for re-realization.
BingoBoingo: Like Franco probably just wanted to ranch and watch the cows, but guild is house with that oil wealth
mircea_popescu: the problem is -- he tended to imprison the dorks he understood more than the dorks he didn't.
mircea_popescu: this is not true, plenty of dorks ended up in prison.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: through my (admittedly inexpert) lens, d00d loox like archaetypical lion trainer who served up many a cookie but neglected entirely the whip
mircea_popescu: ceausescu who didn't touch pantsuitism was certainly a better deadman than the imaginary one who had.
a111: Logged on 2019-03-12 22:09 asciilifeform: an asciilifeform who had never touched microshit, i suspect, would be a better man than asciilifeform who did..
mircea_popescu: so yes, the principal driver behind " very little 'prophylactic' depantsuiting in his reign" (which is factual) was... very little capacity to conceptualize the pantsuitism. because of the EXACT http://btcbase.org/log/2019-03-12#1901577 thought process (though he's not nearly as elegant in his thinking, nor did he have enough sense to keep a fucking blog, so as to GET this elegant.) ☝︎