mircea_popescu: meanwhile every organized system, no matter how organized as long as it provides for the economic & cultural #1 and #2 functions discussed, is going to be afraid of marauding idiocy. cuz that's what "barbarian" means, even.

mircea_popescu: which yes, is the deep point of http://trilema.com/2017/in-scams-today-disk-less-terminal-sa-dba-laesquinadelamazmorra/#footnote_3_72501 ; and the reason that keeps getting linked -- that YES the only correct response to integration is moving over, and there's a time to do it well and then it'll just be more and more painful once that window closes. but NOTICING...

mircea_popescu: yes, obviously it pays to be the top node, ie, to integrate everyone else's systems. hence all the "empire loses because we integrate it, can't even represent us" etc. nevertheless... this is fine and dandy until it isn't. and yes it'd be great if one had the fucking sense to NOTICE, but notice how eg cat-v.org morons FAILED to notice it's time to quit derping and start worshipping.

mircea_popescu: what can you do ? in any possible systematic representation of the world you will have some criteria for "broken representations". this isn't avoidable, and "so just don't systematically, then" is no kind of answer.

mircea_popescu: in ceausescu's own world, "too dumb to cut through imperialist-bourgeois nonsense to find marx & engels ---> dull"

mircea_popescu: diana_coman yet if you ask them, they were afraid not of thinking people in general -- but of the exact thing we [or whatever, i guess in limine just i] are affraid also : http://btcbase.org/log/2014-08-01#780595 ☝︎

mircea_popescu: poor woman, bereft of letters. i always read it in THOSE terms, "if you can't think and can't use language, AT LEAST FUCKING SLEEP!!!"

mircea_popescu: how do you break through the howl of idiocy ? i scream at the girls, and put them on their knees and whip them, and it works, kinda.

mircea_popescu: part and parcel of the problem is that ~the very basis and fundament~ of a "representative system" is that THERE IS NO ONE THERE TO TALK TO. all the fucktarded jwzs long opted out, WHO you gonna explain what to and HOW ? in what terms ? in what words ?

mircea_popescu: it was there though, both the conscience of the problem and the awarness of the right solution. just didn't manage to burble clean all the way through.

mircea_popescu: but see how hard it is to get the words right ? he held referendum over "paying debt", and "everyone voted. twice."

mircea_popescu: he ~even had the right idea~, held fuycking referendum!

mircea_popescu: but yes, ceausescu coming up on live tv and explaining that "look, you dweebs : we tried to imperialism so and so, this is what we did and why we did it, this is what happened, now we're fucked. what do you wanna do now ? figure it the fuck out." would have worked well.

mircea_popescu: what is so wrong with saying "these people hate us, because we suck, how about we try something else instead of sucking even harder ???" ☟︎

mircea_popescu: much like every single hostile divorce, too. people just don't know when to quit, is the overwhelming property of people.

mircea_popescu: much like had ro communism responded to czech invasion by free elections, ceausescu would be the #1 romanian saint, with more churches dedicated than mary & joseph combined. and much like had the byzantines and much like etcetera.

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-03-14#1902438 << just like the other idiots. consider : if usg dissolved itself in 2001 instead of pretending to a "war" of imagination, people would have ~regretted~ it. but as it stubbornly carried on for another 20 years, it's just as heavily hated at the top as conceivable, and in another decade they'll be shot in the street retributively, for having been part of it at all. ☝︎☟︎

mircea_popescu: might as well discuss the ill effects of coconut flavoured frozen yogurt upon one's metabolism, and how much weight we're losing by eating naught but vanilla flavoured frozen yogurt (made at the same plant by the same company out of exactly the same ingredients -- all the way to the flavouring, it's still processed wood shavings.)

mircea_popescu: able to notice, or once noticed be able to communicate]"

mircea_popescu: but, to add the one important bit : discussing communism is imo a red herring, and ESPECIALLY so if part of the other-socialism's sepia ink, "oh, how bad warsaw pact socialism was little girl, aren't you glad you live in best possible socialism that's not like that at all [in any parts you're li

mircea_popescu: correctly, too -- meanwhile it actually went out of style.

mircea_popescu: which pretty much summarizes 50 years' worth of "scholarship" on the topic of comparative theory of socialism, carried both in warsaw and roosevelt lands like it was going out of style.

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-03-14#1902434 << the fundamental problem with measuring anything is that either you pick good measurements (in which case -- you want good samples, in which case -- bottom always wins) or else you pick good results (in which case, discussion can continue endlessly as to ~what it is they mean~. there's no clear meaning to results, howsoever good they may be, absent a good measurement). ☝︎

mircea_popescu: amusingly enough, this thing runs right into the institution of the harem (guess what alfie -- institution that DIDNT have all individuals leave!) because master's opting for idiocy is ~required~ on occasion. you can very much fail through being too reliably thinking, counterintuitively enough. or perhaps not so counterintuitively. ☟︎

mircea_popescu: (though adlai is commonly used here as the poster child for a perhaps spreading novel disease, where they manage to apparently convince themselves they do like, somehow.)

mircea_popescu: it's a complex problem, though. the naive : "the difference between idiots and thinkers is that thinkers may opt to idiocy, but idiots may not opt to thinking", generally offered in disputes around "copyright" and other packaging of the grander theme of "ownership of ideal objects", nevertheless runs into the problem that thinkers DO NOT LIKE opting for idiocy.

mircea_popescu: mental contortions, "what sort of people are these!!!" and so on.

mircea_popescu: diana_coman hey, i was fortunate! two generations working hard at the "think just enough --- NOT MORE!!!" so as to make it into "red bourgeoisie" (to use the polish term), which yeah i'd have totally fucked up when it came to be my turn except the regime fell before me like one of those magic cases of lion dieing of apoplexy just as five year old boy lifts his wooden sword at it. so now i can be distasted at their impossible

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i can live with telling people "raise your stack limit for your file is large" ; i have a lot more trouble sleeping at night if i tell people "raise your stack limit for some idiots made a broken spec we did not fix."

mircea_popescu: diana_coman well, it IS preferable to the alternative. certainly not swell, no, but who the hell can carry a conversation on communism in terms of swellness.

mircea_popescu: i much prefer the tyrant who's afraid of thinking people to the tyrant who isn't, for the exactly obvious fucking reason.

mircea_popescu: why not ? ~obviously~ because thinking people ~can not even form useful ideas~ there. much like there's no jaywalking fines for the qadriplegic, and no blinding lights for they already blind.

mircea_popescu: the proofs for this are many and plurious, but consider the simple fact that there's no censorship or repression of ideas in roosevelt's socialism. ☟︎

mircea_popescu: , i very much prefer the former ; asciilifeform is expressing very similar preference for very similar reasons.

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-03-14#1902430 << well, "weird". they're both ideal social systems, they both have the same problems. they have it in different degrees, or rather, differently distributed. warsaw pact socialism was an ideal system closest to realism at the top and most idealized at the bottom. roosveltian socialism is an ideal system closest to realism at the bottom, and most idealized at the top. as i'm at the top ☝︎

mircea_popescu: as it's unclear from the logs whether phf actually has done this and not published it yet or not done it at all, diana_coman will release a third keccak, that should resolve both the above problem and the "everything is 8x because NIST idiots" thing blowing up vdiff's stack, hopefully later this week.

mircea_popescu: making sure this latter case never happens requires a little bit of needlework. the original implementations tried to keep close to the original spec, for basically naive and unexamined http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-02#1883944 reasons. as it turns out, this was the wrong cut. ☝︎

mircea_popescu: the problem is this : as keccak is ineptly specced (by Bertoni & all), it uses amixedly both lsb and msb conventions, meaning that a bitstream of uneven octetness like "10110" can ~in principle~ end up padded into either the harmless "00010110" or the potentially harmful "10110000".

mircea_popescu: so in re http://btcbase.org/log/2019-03-10#1901233 : we finally got to the bottom of the matter, after no little amount of reading and headscratching (esp on my part). the problem isn't one of calling convention (as i had erroneously imagined originally, mostly on the basis of "keccak doesn't take / wants" verbiage). ☝︎