log☇︎
404100+ entries in 0.249s
mircea_popescu: gavrea, whom i've recently mentioned, had a very similar saying to distinguish between the "mathematical understanding" as described by funkenstein and the genuine article, by using the difference between the romanian words muzician (musician) and muzicant (roughly speaking, illiterate gypsy that can play by ear) ☟︎
mircea_popescu: for asciilifeform won't deign to call that thing a compiler
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'just in time' compilator is something like a memoized interpreter, yes.
mircea_popescu: i guess it would have to be interpreted.
mircea_popescu: so then the result of compiling perl is undecidable ?
mircea_popescu: but nevertheless $_ can take the value of being a function
asciilifeform: but yes, it is the ultimate in obfuscation and nobody-knows-what-the-fuck-the-machine-does
mircea_popescu: you can actually use this to obtain code that compiles to different results can't you ?
asciilifeform: and yes, it is mandated (though one may be able to pull some odd trick with the evaluator and snip it, i would be the last to know)
asciilifeform: in particular, with regard to extreme context-sensitivity.
asciilifeform: he wanted an item that would 'be like human language'
asciilifeform: larry wall is a very interesting fella. he's a linguist by trade (actually by avocation, he's a crackpot missionary for some church or other)
mircea_popescu: is support mandated throughout the whole namespace ? can i assume randomfunction knows of $_ ?
mircea_popescu: why is this there, convenience ?
assbot: $_ the default variable of Perl ... ( http://bit.ly/1M4lOSn )
mircea_popescu: what's that ?
asciilifeform: like the 'implicit variable'
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform that's another way to say im inefficient :)
asciilifeform: gotta love all the other undeclared idiocy in perl
mircea_popescu: what the everloving fuck the undeclared function of if.
assbot: Logged on 12-09-2015 15:52:48; ben_vulpes: Using 'if' or the ternary operator as a function is quite common in perl. Using data structures to control flow is common in perl. Trying to learn C# after learning perl was like running head first into a brick wall. I'm really glad this guy is trying to make programming a bit more perl-like."
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-09-2015#1271293 << ironically these are all the reasons i never moved from bash to perl. ☝︎
asciilifeform: whereas my economic output is barely enough to justify 'own weight in pork.'
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu presumably wouldn't do it unless it were sufficiently profitable to justify flying a 'spruice goose' with mobile lab.
mircea_popescu: it's not "this is moot to mp, with army of slaves". it's "he who refuses to buy into, can't help but end up with army of slaves".
mircea_popescu: why not ? i might have to logic analyze
asciilifeform: this a contradiction in terms because a mircea_popescu, with his slave army, would never be in such a position to begin with.
mircea_popescu: i want to own my own mexicans.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform if i actualy had to do that i'd hire a mexican to drag a desktop and use special cabling before i'd use a fucking proprietary laptop.
assbot: Logged on 12-09-2015 15:49:14; ben_vulpes: i do dream of having a workstation though, and the lifestyle to support it.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-09-2015#1271285 << i hear emplacing a workstation is the first step to building a Dark Spire of Darnkess, from which as we all know all atomic dirigibles must proceed. ☝︎☟︎
asciilifeform works with items such as logic analyzer, pc emulators, etc. and ~needs~ 16-32 GB of ram, for instance, and the fastest cpu available. and yes, it has to be portable.
asciilifeform: kakobrekla also explained, non-ips lcd is agony to look at.
mircea_popescu: i must have missed this, when did she gatecrash.
mircea_popescu: what, you needed to render the film of fucking stoya in your hotel room ?
asciilifeform: ah but there is.
assbot: Logged on 12-09-2015 15:47:45; asciilifeform: i did try to explain this to mircea_popescu
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-09-2015#1271281 << you can try all you want, i've seen mod6 's portable openbsd. so has ben_vulpes ☝︎
mircea_popescu: so was the reported death exaggerated or the name misspelled or what gives.
mircea_popescu: who the fuck is this guy again ?
asciilifeform: mein fuhrer, revoke the untermenschen scum's winblowz licenses !
asciilifeform: 'But he said that China should fear confrontation online: "I guarantee you we will win if we have to."' << l0l!!
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform intended reference to it.
assbot: Logged on 12-09-2015 20:38:00; mircea_popescu: for the reason discussed! no access to verifiable, predictable small parts
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-09-2015#1271635 << almost exact restatement of my 'yc news' comment turd from decade ago, aha ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 12-09-2015 14:01:44; nubbins`: there's a Lemmings-esque game out for Wii U and 3DS; purchase one version and get a free download code for the other version
shinohai: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-34229439 <<< Obame declares attacks "unacceptable", continues to use Windows.
mircea_popescu: ontogenesis repeats all the accidents of phylogenesis in a distorted, cursed form.
assbot: Logged on 12-09-2015 14:22:29; funkenstein_: "a number like 2 is a rank zero tensor, now you know tensors"
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-09-2015#1271268 <<< fuicking americans. "i name this land This Land it is therefore my own now". ☝︎
mircea_popescu: which is to say, fucking divination and assorted theatrical bullshit.
mircea_popescu: so they ended up with an exact equivalent of "idiosyncratic medium, creative artistry"
mircea_popescu: which in chemistry happen to be pure reagents.
mircea_popescu: for the reason discussed! no access to verifiable, predictable small parts ☟︎
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the point re peripueral fever is important. see, the people DIDNT KNOW pottery is no good for reuse. so couldn't get to chemistry. guess why ?
mircea_popescu: this is starting to feel like fucking highschool all over again. shit, i missed that.
asciilifeform: not only mentioned, but got to derive slightly before i did !
mircea_popescu: problem is the people giving the latter peripueral fever didn't really realise
mircea_popescu: thinking people had meta-glass throughout!
mircea_popescu: dude, nobody had to wait for glass to do chemistry either
asciilifeform: but nobody had to wait for the proggy to do this, all thinking people have done it always.
mircea_popescu: so then there's the magic.
mircea_popescu: that's all that's needed.
mircea_popescu: a half-baked implementation of V is what i had been maintaining in my head throughout my schooling years.
asciilifeform: where is this magic mircea_popescu sees.
mircea_popescu: but V is the best simulation of how actual math learning happens (in those brains actually capable to learn math) that we ever had as a fucking species. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: now if only i was in prison and i had the fucking undisturbed time to actually do this.
mircea_popescu: which... you know, i slept on this, and it occurs to me that ACTUAL MATHEMATICS might be the perfect thing to implement over V. ☟︎
assbot: Logged on 12-09-2015 13:59:29; asciilifeform: shinohai: supposedly 'foreign devil's shill worked for american corp under false pretences, stealing everything and laughing all the way to the bank'
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-09-2015#1271245 <<< you misspelled thrice cursed dog. ☝︎
asciilifeform: only mba gets to play tetris behind a closing door.
asciilifeform: hence the laughter.
asciilifeform: if you ask for a closing door, or to work remotely, it is usually seen as a demand to play tetris instead of work. ☟︎☟︎
asciilifeform: phf: that is because employment in usa is a 'dominance game' first and useful work second.
phf: i was once laughed out of interview for suggesting that i want an office with a door that i can close on demand
phf: me neither, but i thought that was norm. also makes me think that bullpen programming offices are a conspiracy
asciilifeform: i, for instance, can't think about any deep problem when in a place where human speech is happening, or bodies are in motion. ☟︎
asciilifeform: but i suspect that we all have requirements that seem equally nonsensical to other people.
asciilifeform: can't help but wonder if they belonged to him.
asciilifeform: phf: interestingly, around the time dr. b retired, i fished a full ru set of knuth's aop from the library's garbage bin, along with a few dozen other (some, crumbling from age) maths texts, also ru
asciilifeform: (from my familiarity with the - very few - primary sources, it is accurate.)
phf: hehe, i too had to take it twice. i skipped a semester to take it with brin again, and "applied myself" that time
asciilifeform: i think i know just what he meant.
asciilifeform: oliver heaviside wrote cryptically of the important life-cycle step of 'earning one's worm'
asciilifeform: this is generally not taught in american schools.
asciilifeform: the kid, that is
asciilifeform: he was a true master of teaching a kid exactly how worthless of a worm he is.
asciilifeform: it would not be an exaggeration to say that if it were not for this man, i would be a 'respectable' dunning-krugerized waste of space somewhere, with delusions of 'knowing maths'
phf: i remember having many lulz finding it last time, not sure if same website, but idea is the same "omg!!!worst prof eva!11"
asciilifeform: (the old man, incidentally, no longer teaches here. if he is alive still, he is far away and retired.)
phf: reminds me of michael brin stoping and erasing a proof midway explanation while loudly proclaiming "you idiots wouldn't understand this anyway", but then his son, sergey brin, presumably outfitted umd data centers, etc.
phf: asciilifeform: oh i'm bringing them up in support to what you just said, so no
asciilifeform: trinque: and now you get to enjoy the cardboard set of a software industry, aha
asciilifeform: phf: didja miss the part where he lives in brazil and has to fight off complains from little gurlz who NEED their straight-A marks ?
trinque: you're talking to a guy who dropped out of university when he realized he'd fallen for a cardboard movie set of a university
phf: asciilifeform: they are no good even at basic literacy and opsec. << those andrei toom's articles...
asciilifeform: trinque: there is not a handy answer to 'what should culture man stuck in a dying civilization do' ☟︎
asciilifeform: trinque: familiar with 'what do you expect me to do? -- no mr bond, we expect you to die!' ?
asciilifeform: trinque: they had ~1500 years to 'shape up'
trinque: then the anglos fall and maybe the muslims shape up