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mod6: ah. sounds pretty decent. that coral is nasty if you fall / get
a laceration from it
mod6: ah, yeah. that can get
a little dicy if you're 50+ feet up and the wind dies.
mircea_popescu: they have
a sort of sea paragliding here, i have half
a mind to try it sometime
mircea_popescu: but i lost my 2nd pair of slippers, through the procedure of sit down in car, forget to pick them up. i guess im buying
a half dozen next.
trinque: riptide got me as
a kid, actually felt like kind of
a little badass when I came out of it
mircea_popescu: surfers lose the occasional leg. rarely actually eaten, ocean typically only wants
a taste.
mod6: mircea_popescu: yah, gotta live
a little every now and then.
ben_vulpes: every second in the water is
a fight to stay at the surface
mod6: sure, yeah, takes practice. i seemed to pick it up pretty ok, found that it's not /that/ different from turns on
a snowboard.
mircea_popescu: but most people just you know, ride it
a few meters and faceplant.
mircea_popescu: there was
a guy that was pretty good, Z-d counter-wake with great agility.
mod6: <+ben_vulpes> oh man, i would really like to learn to surf << i'll never forget the first time i caught
a wave. something very zen about the whole experience.
mircea_popescu: there's
a macaw tree ; and hundreds of pelicans fish in the wake.
mircea_popescu: i threw one
a crumb of sandwich, he spent like 5 minutes trying to stuff it into his hidey-hole
lobbes: I remember setting foot in
a tropical ocean for first time and thinking "ahhh this is what all the fuss is about"
lobbes: Ah, warm ocean is best ocean. I could never enjoy the cool northern ocean I grew up next to, even in the summer. My extreme lack of fat insulation always led to my body becoming
a flesh anchor. "Just relax, you'll float" "huh? Relax how?"
shinohai: Heh I have
a box of the lavender kind in my medicine chest. Good stuff.
BingoBoingo: TomServo: That makes
a lot of sense. Qntra is not very deep, physically.
BingoBoingo: Given the size and ratio of coolers to cabinets there seems to be
a healthy amount of excess capacity. There is more than one per aisle.
mod6: Another, perhaps interesting set of images would be to take
a pic of the front of the cabnet from off to the side
a bit -- to show the perfereated tiles in the the floor (if it's done this way) ; and the same for the back.
BingoBoingo: Also next trip I am bringing
a measuring tape. The hash marks go up to 20 in the middle of the cage before counting down again. I assume this means
a 39 or 40 inch deep cabinet, but will measure myself to confirm.
mod6: Thank you Sir. From the box butts picture, from what i can tell, looks pretty much what I expected / standard. i.e. the 'fast'-rails that we've purchased should work ok.
a few more images will help tho. thanks!
mod6: maybe take
a couple so you hopefully get one less shakey.
mod6: BingoBoingo: plz to request another 2 images. one with front door all the way open, as far back into the isle as can be taken. i.e. try to see if you can take
a full frontal with the door open. and the same for the backside.
BingoBoingo: ^ Congrats shinohai on the first LATAM homed Qntra to get
a picture
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shinohai: BingoBoingo: s/Gingo/Gringo/ ... also double `
a's` in paint marker section. Nice norp though.
a111: Logged on 2018-02-07 04:08 mod6: any customer who's paying for
a service won't appreciate random reboots
ave1: So, I've created
a vpatch of the mp-wp I'm running, would it be OK to publish this?
☟︎ a111: Logged on 2018-02-07 09:33 mircea_popescu:
http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-07#1782314 << well, i'd expect airflow at all times driven by the dc HVAC. i dunno you'd want to buy space in
a dc with no internal airflow. i've also never been in one that had no internal airflow. then again i've never been in
a clean room that had no internal airflow either.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> but in principle, gear can't produce more heat than the electricity it gets. so i expect at some point they'll start whining about "Gotta get another rack, we can't go over 4kw/per" or w/e they do. no ? << We have 2.5 kw now, and if we need more we can get
a set of incoming power lines for another 2.5 kw. After that it is time for
a second rack.
a111: Logged on 2018-02-07 04:08 mod6: any customer who's paying for
a service won't appreciate random reboots
mircea_popescu: or, for that matter, in
a civilised house. because how the fuck would this work, modernity is built on airflow like the roman empire was built on running water.
mircea_popescu:
http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-07#1782314 << well, i'd expect airflow at all times driven by the dc HVAC. i dunno you'd want to buy space in
a dc with no internal airflow. i've also never been in one that had no internal airflow. then again i've never been in
a clean room that had no internal airflow either.
☝︎☟︎ a111: Logged on 2018-02-07 03:56 mod6: i haven't for 20 years, but it basically resulted in
a very unstable box.
mircea_popescu: but, in any case, more of
a curio/bikeshed than anything i think. overclocking isn't likely to have more than
a 1% if tyhat impact either way in bbisp affairs.
mircea_popescu: this is
a little like saying "hospital's no place for imunosupressed patients, they should be in their car, which people keep clean"
ben_vulpes: heh i dunno that i've ever heard
a couth name for the practice tbh; or any person who'd call themselves couth engaging in it
TomServo: ben_vulpes: We call those 'travelers' in my parts.
A 'roadie' if you're uncouth.
ben_vulpes: zero likelihood of interdiction with
a polite babe at the wheel.
trinque: lol aha. I've never seen such
a polite huge truck driver as mine.
ben_vulpes: much like the honda babywagon i've allocated vs the three f1 engines
a team's allowed in
a season
ben_vulpes: points on
a continuum from where i sit
trinque: my main point is to be ready with
a stack of spares if that's the strategy
trinque: mod6: customer might. say
a set of game servers that can handle losing
a node for
a bit. just depends.
mod6: any customer who's paying for
a service won't appreciate random reboots
☟︎☟︎ ben_vulpes: what, they heat up, crack their pcbs, shut down. run your fans, this won't be
a problem.
ben_vulpes: i ain't justifying shit, i'm saying that i'm not concerned about the health of the rack from
a few hot boxes.
TomServo: This seems like strained reasoning to justify overclocking for what I see is
a minimally appreciable gain.
trinque: this is
a fun exercise, but the air gap is not sealed between the units
ben_vulpes: that argon between them doesn't move; the viscosity of the gas keeps it locked in place and it acts as
a superior insulator to the glass.
ben_vulpes: heaven help us if the machine bodies actually drive
a) because someone isn't cooling adequately, and if the gap is sufficiently small (as anyone with dc experience can attest) we'll probably have "stagnation" conditions, where the air is not actually circulating between the machines
ben_vulpes: the concern is convective heat transfer between servers. for that to happen there must be
a) great enough gradient of heat between the machines and b) enough space between machines for air currents to get moving
mod6: sure, got maybe
a bit more throughput, but the tradeoff was certainly not worth it if not, for instance, gaming.
mod6: i haven't for 20 years, but it basically resulted in
a very unstable box.
☟︎ ben_vulpes: moreover it'd be what, mostly radiant with
a bit of conductive through the air gap between servers, which can probably be approximated as stagnant and
a good insulator
TomServo: I've not kept up-to-date, but in my understanding of successful overclocking is often dependant on specialized cooling systems expected to be in
a mini or full tower.
TomServo: I can likely order gear as well, but I don't expect that will be
a problem.
mircea_popescu: not clear yet, intuitively there's
a ~600,
a ~1.5k,
a ~4k and
a ~9k chunk. but we see.
mircea_popescu: well, if you're stuck with an overloaded rack for the few days till you get the other one up for instance, it's nice to know you've got
a 20% afterburner you can run on.
TomServo: mircea_popescu: I would expect cores and I certainly wouldn't be considering overclocking in
a DC environment.
a111: Logged on 2018-02-06 13:21 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo : the logic is, ima want 5 of the dozen ; the rest could each at least in principle support 100 "shared" sorta sites each, at $20
a month or whatever you end up charging. that's, if you manage to fill up the lot, $14`000 per month in revenue.
TomServo: will provide specified amount of kW capacity from Primary (
A Side) to
TomServo: If it is any help, some info from
a quote for US DC circa 2016,
mircea_popescu: as to the vertical exhaust, it was more of
a "do you have it" curio than anything.
a111: Logged on 2018-02-06 19:40 a111: Logged on 2018-02-06 01:57 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo phf trinque diana_coman so i'm thinking of basically getting
a dozen amd fx-8350s (because just 125w compared to say fx-9590s 220) racked in u2 mbs (say maybe ASRock 970M PRO3 ? i thinkl that fits in 2u neh ?) with 64 gb ram each and
a coupla ssds ? any complaints/suggestions ?
mircea_popescu: take something like
http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-06#1782012 : if you did actyually put 4 to the mobo, as they theoretically can suffer, and somehow stuffed all this in 1U, and attempted to put 40 such units at half
a kW each inside one rack, i'd fully expect the whole thing melting down within the hour. not even water can take out 20KJ/s out of
a (stationary) rack. we're talking like, car engine sorta coolings by now.
☝︎ mircea_popescu: so i'm kinda trying to outsource the heat knowhow to the dc, in this passive manner. kinda why i got
a low W cpu. i'm thinking i'd have to worry more about some modern 500W bs "single"t or multi-cpu than about this basically 125W max power item. how much can it possibly heat...
TomServo: Yes, very much principly
a power concern.
TomServo: Airflow is crucial in
a dense environment.
TomServo: Well, I'm
a bit miffed at the idea of stuffing consumer gear in racks, but I've not tried this. Seems risky.
BingoBoingo: Ah. Right now are cage has
a bunch of the solid plastic slats in the front. This has been added to the questions checklist.
mircea_popescu: cabinets often come with them preinstalled, but then again that's more
a mid/high market thing ; yours may be barebones-er than this.
mircea_popescu: basically they are
a face for 3U, blow air out of the rack.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> 2u is like... 8.9cm tall. you think not ? << Alright with the amd fx-8350 there are skus that some with different coolers. There the stock cooler that looks like it should not be
a problem, and then there is the WRAITH special edition kooler 4Gamerz which is 80 mm high and rather tall for
a 2U case. Whoever goes piling iron would be advised to watch this difference.
mircea_popescu: anyway, the board itself is glass pcb,
a fine piece indeed. however, the processor doesn't even work over 60 celsius.
mircea_popescu: (this ~is~
a desktop cpu ; so it may need special mounting, but i don't think it should be outright unmountable. the asrock is
a mini-atx, afaik those fit in 2u.
a111: Logged on 2018-02-06 01:57 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo phf trinque diana_coman so i'm thinking of basically getting
a dozen amd fx-8350s (because just 125w compared to say fx-9590s 220) racked in u2 mbs (say maybe ASRock 970M PRO3 ? i thinkl that fits in 2u neh ?) with 64 gb ram each and
a coupla ssds ? any complaints/suggestions ?
☟︎ BingoBoingo: Will do, have
a Spanish lesson in
a bit. Despues tengo tiempo para esta tarea.
BingoBoingo: Well, they gotta let the price run up again before they waterfall for increasingly disappointing crashes
a couple more times at least.
☟︎ a111: Logged on 2018-02-06 14:54 diana_coman: mircea_popescu, this reminds me of early attempts with Italian: when stuck, grab
a Romanian/French/latin word, stick Italian ending on it and say it loud and clear; it the worse case locals will promptly correct it
a111: Logged on 2016-12-08 03:29 mircea_popescu: ex of 1B documents. Then our cost comes down to $12M/yr." << this danluu piece is the most idiotic thing i read all day. what the fuck has "cloud" done to these people that they think
a 1bn index cost
A MILLION
A MONTH holy shit.
jhvh1: shinohai: [KJV] Proverbs 16:18 :: Pride goeth before destruction, and an haughty spirit before
a fall.
shinohai: Feel for ya mod6. I got
a relapse too. You shouldn't have been hanging around me this past weekend. :P
BingoBoingo: name] S.
A. but it will have
a seperate "doing business as" name which I figure might as well just be my name according to the principal of maximum pissing on.
BingoBoingo: <diana_coman> BingoBoingo, is the "company" having your name or isn't this between latechco and your company or what? << At present due to the painful $900 lesson my name is my company, though it is indeed
a legally registered company in Uruguay. Once I have
a local ID (Hopefully sometime March-April) and I make another run at the corporation (because the provisional ID cuts the passport knot) it will be [insert aculturally relevant