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pehbot: asciilifeform: EGGOG: FATAL:
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Mocky: BingoBoingo: once i get everything imported
to my satisfaction on mockyhabeeb.com I'd like
to cut over
to mocky.org, so apache config I
think
BingoBoingo: <Mocky> I'm going
to finish moving my blog over
to mpwp
this week. I expect I'll need some pizarro assistance for go-live.
Then Imma post remaining handful of Qatar posts, including video of my address
to Doha derpchain gathering. << Let me know what you need
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Mocky: I
think I get it but havn't used yet, other
than a
trb build from online
that didn't require much
thinking.
Mocky: after
that i'll have free hands looking for somthing
to do
Mocky: I'm going
to finish moving my blog over
to mpwp
this week. I expect I'll need some pizarro assistance for go-live.
Then Imma post remaining handful of Qatar posts, including video of my address
to Doha derpchain gathering.
☟︎ a111: Logged on 2019-03-26 21:18 diana_coman: if it's about wants, I can
throw in
that I want a sane computer already!
mircea_popescu: might
tbe a better route, esp if it delivers a cheap way
to a
tcp-based republican web,
to replace
the www.
mircea_popescu: no argument
there ; also so far, let's just first get a wrapper.
a111: Logged on 2018-11-15 02:29 asciilifeform: phuctor ( and in particular, some of
the 'heavier' / unusual pheatures, like search ) i baked specifically around postgres.
diana_coman: if it's about wants, I can
throw in
that I want a sane computer already!
☟︎ mircea_popescu: but in point of fact we gotta weld ada
to db already, what.
mircea_popescu: in another order : an ada prototype for db interaction, at
the very least with mysql and postgres, would probably get imported into a lot of projects. anyone has one unpublished ? anyone wanna write ?
a111: Logged on 2019-01-13 14:29 mircea_popescu:
this is a matter of best practices
that's by its nature a republican standard candidate, so i'd very much like
to hear
the esteemed lordship.
a111: Logged on 2014-08-20 01:01 asciilifeform: '…like a refugee from very rural Pakistan who gets relocated
to Oslo, Norway, and still
thinks
that he could make better food if he were only allowed
to light a fire in his living room instead of using
that complex electric stove. (This is a real news item. Every now and
then, landlords discover indoor fireplaces and occasionally
the “newbies”
to civilization burn down
the building.)' (herr naggum)
a111: Logged on 2019-03-18 15:31 asciilifeform:
http://bvt-trace.net/2019/03/mes-part-1-stage0/#selection-29.94-29.340 << imho ~100% of
the attempts on record , made exactly same mistake --
they assumed
that 'architecture-specific aspects creep into
the design of
the boostrapping process' only concerns ~what is
there~ in
the arch, and not ~what is not
there~ (e.g. sane memory management,
type
tags) . if you dun put
the complexity of certain necessary sanities where it belongs -- i
mircea_popescu: "oh but mp,
this is undemocratic -- some programming styles or high level assumptions will result in ~unusable
tapes, 1mnx bloated". "precisely." "but
this means not all programmers aree equal anymore". "duh"
mircea_popescu: in any case, a very
tentative possible repoublican alternate machine can be already intuited : if p backend is welded
to gcc;s frontends, one can code in ada (or c#, why not), compiler for p-machine and live happily ever after.
mircea_popescu: if peh can be its own bootstrapper quite so
transparently nobody notices,
then maybe it is actually a good general purpose bootstrapping
tool. maybe.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, yes! in
the other perspective : BECAUSE IT IS ITS OWN BOOTSTRAPPER!!!
mircea_popescu: but consider
the converse problem : if it comes
to it, am i going
to order
the re-implementation de novo of gcc's backend by republican hands ? why MUST it be c ?
mircea_popescu: (note also, but importantly,
that one doesn't have
to write peh by hand anymore
than he has
to write asm by hand.
there's perfectly conceivable one has an optimizing pehpiler.)
mircea_popescu: but we are very specifically not discussing what
to do
to read
trilema. we're discussing what
to do at a relatively early stage of bootstrap!
mircea_popescu: because no,
this is a cop-out, "oh, it's arbitrary". like
the poorly
trained cook, "arbitrary use of
tools"
bvt: mircea_popescu: i'll
try
to get him into #trilema on
the weekend
mircea_popescu: yes, it is,
translates bizarre pantsuit notions of "randomness" ; nevertheless
the point stands if renamed : arbitrary, and who's
the arbiter ? Nike
the goddess ?
mircea_popescu: obviously (i would hope) i'm not proposing any naive solution will necessarily work well ; i'm just saying
that it's not obvious
to me a smart solution isn't available somewhere. in point of fact not merely p, but ~the whole class of
things for which it stands as a most illustrative example~ is, if arguably not new, in any case
the continuation of work in fields and along lines neglected for at least
three if not more
than
mircea_popescu: but in any case no such
thing as "random" exists in
the fucking machine --- if it did, you wouldn't need
to buy fg's for it, now would you.
mircea_popescu: the dood's historical blackjack playing program is a better model of "bootstrapper"
than what you find in average "systems design" in orclang books.
mircea_popescu will import by reference
the story of mel. what "random access", it's onlty random if you don't know what you're doing and at bootstrap phase
the item's
too close
to starting position
to have complexity-exploded out of your hands already as a matter of necessity.
mircea_popescu: i'm not disposing of
the matter. i'm just keeping it open, and specifically because
these sorts of
things are by now reflex in
the malfunctioning brains of "it experts". oh, small ram footprint of bootstrapper. oh, random access.\
mircea_popescu: it's not directly obvious
to me
that "random access" in
this particular context is not disease sympthom.
mircea_popescu: ie, being economical re bootstrap ram is one of
the dumbest
things i can
think of. beats "penny wise and pound foolish" by 2+ degrees of magnitude in folly.