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mircea_popescu: this is trivially understood either through geometry or high physics. there are fewer things than you can write equations for.
mircea_popescu: so - efficient markets, yes. but only if markets. and there's no guarantee everything you imagine can be a market.
mircea_popescu: when they can be compared, z80 loses. where they be meaningfully compared, common ground breaks down.
mircea_popescu: but back to our point of interest : your expectation that "z80" and "pentium" costs can be meaningfully compared breaks down.
assbot: Beating the Averages ... ( http://bit.ly/1LbsH4p )
asciilifeform: hell, this was even in (pre-braindamage) paul graham
mircea_popescu: this for some reason has to be stated.
mircea_popescu: it's a very plain statement that dunning-kruger, and consequently, the reward for being not an idiot is not accessible in idiot terms.
mircea_popescu: but if there's one criticism that can not be put at the feet of the scholasticis, it is superficiality.
asciilifeform: i thought that was a standard 'jam tomorrow'
mircea_popescu: in a very amusing (to me) twist, this is actually in the fucking patristics (the wanna-be mishnah of xtianity). "your reward be not of this world" etc.
mircea_popescu: "oh, the end of their world is visible from our world". a) no, it isn't ; b) so ?
mircea_popescu: if multiverse, and if in ALL possible verses picking a on X quesdtion results in annihilation, this means exactly nothing. the a pickers aren't in any way different from the non-a pickers.
mircea_popescu: things are only meaningful to those capable to perceive meaning, and this ALREADY means not-them.
mircea_popescu: so in this sense, there is no "unless it does". yes, they'll die.
asciilifeform: or my personal favourite 'cockroaches will inherit the earth'
mircea_popescu: not around, that;s where.
mircea_popescu: the idiot can not lose, because by the time he's lost he's gone. where's the neobee schmuck ?
asciilifeform: as per the 'infinite hitpoints' article from mircea_popescu's www, aha
mircea_popescu: i'm still here, they as individuals are not. but they as group are still here. perhaps to outlast me.
mircea_popescu: look, let's go at it this way. in your own private experience, as a witness, how many times did a horde of idiots on some idiot forum know better than me ?
mircea_popescu: ofcourse they were gonna win etc.
mircea_popescu: yes the people that won won. but this means nothing in context.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform they never do. that's the problem. by the time the war is lost, the people who lost it are dead. that's the thing.
mircea_popescu: which is just another restatement of "people are insane" which is pretty much the oldest observation in the book that everyone keeps restating self-importantly and lo, it's voltaire! it's nietsche! it's existentialism! it's your grandmother vigin! etgc
asciilifeform: except where they do.
mircea_popescu: the fundamental problem of reality is that for things to work, things don't actually have to work.
mircea_popescu: so then.
mircea_popescu: you familiar with this, yes ? the romans kept going "why would someone farm when he could heroicly steal women and shit ?!?!?!"
mircea_popescu: i show today and tomorrow and i won.
asciilifeform: incidentally, for the two kinds of dope picked for this comparison, the packaging and distribution costs dwarf the actual cost of producing the pill
mircea_popescu: you familiar with the mathematical sleigh of hand called "induction" rite.
mircea_popescu: well, they got to where they are through a succession of present days.
asciilifeform: this is handy for the present day but does not explain how the pieces on the board got to where they are
mircea_popescu: your wife's cunt costs 0. teen poon costs... how much does it cost ? as alf says "might as well me from mars."
mircea_popescu: if you want a general motors truck ?
mircea_popescu: if you want a Tatra truck, ask for it. ☟︎☟︎☟︎
asciilifeform: pray to god, he drops a pallet down ?
mircea_popescu: go, put z80 on the list.
mircea_popescu: in the sense of, "put on provision slip, sign, costs nothing" ☟︎☟︎
asciilifeform: in the sense of go-dig-up-from-the-skip ?
assbot: Chez Cocus, or the Argentinian Chorus on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1PhCREx )
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform $5 does not describe the price.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform iirc he went to work as an exeprty in fucking teens for the fbi afterwards.
asciilifeform: re: previous thread: i get the hypothesis, but it falls apart re: z80 specifically. as it is... still made. and is about $5 in qty.
mircea_popescu: but i think it informs, subconsciously, ALL of it.
mircea_popescu: somehow THAT gender gap doesn't figure too prominently in "feminist" discourse today
mircea_popescu: speaking of nothing related, anyone recall the original patrick naughton trial ? compuserve exec, flew to La to meet a 40yo FBI agent that had been posing as a 13 yo girl in a dads&daughers sex chatroom. hung jury : all women voted to convict ; all men voted he;s innocent.
mircea_popescu: does this coallesce into sense on your side ?
mircea_popescu: in the world where women cook as a matter of course, cooking is MORE EXPENSIVE than in the world where cooking would be "absolutely" less expensive but women would kill themselves if you allowed them in a kitchen
deedbot-: [Trilema] Chez Cocus, or the Argentinian Chorus - http://trilema.com/2015/chez-cocus-or-the-argentinian-chorus/
mircea_popescu: there isn't this "absolutely" .
mircea_popescu: consider home cooking. it is ABSOLUTELY the cheapest way to feed a fambly.
mircea_popescu: it's not that "no one is tooled for it". it's that theyre not TOOLABLE for it. and if they WERE, it'd be expensive.
asciilifeform: unless one goes 'but no one is tooled for it'
mircea_popescu: "absolutely" is a meaningless term. yes, you think it exists. good for you.
mircea_popescu: pentium 3 is ACTUALLY cheaper to make than z80 ever was.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform your argument will reduce to something like "making 1950s bachelite and fuel oil is '''cheaper''' than making diesel and wd40". this is equivalent to saying "z80 is cheaper to make than pentium 3". both are incorrect.
asciilifeform: i don't see anything in the structures that would suggest a substantial difference in cost per kg.
BingoBoingo: Sure, but they switch around condom brands
asciilifeform: is PeterL around ? let's look at the synthesis for either.
mircea_popescu: it still fucks the same dude every night.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo these aren't different.
mircea_popescu: in the very lowest sense of it all. cheaper in adp terms.
mircea_popescu: no. cheaper to make these than those. cheaper to prescribe them. cheaper to take them.
asciilifeform: to make the pill? nope.
asciilifeform: cheaper to manage the depressives ? certainly
mircea_popescu: \that's the considerationb here.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo but they only did that because it was accessible.
asciilifeform: usg would rather have a herd of depressives than manics, yes
BingoBoingo: Depakote was popular because drug companies made conditions for the insurance companies to pay for it.
mircea_popescu: see, the uppers risk cascading.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: not really the case here. petrochem had equally easy time pouring out dopaminergics as it does neuroleptics
mircea_popescu: the "regulators" had 0 to do with it. while the refinery process poured out diesel fuel, you were gonna run diesels.
asciilifeform: much the same as that of sov психушка
mircea_popescu: fundamentally, they're exactly driven by this tecxh
BingoBoingo: antiepileptics tend to work on ion channels, antipsychotics/antidepressants fuck with neurotransmitters
asciilifeform: but i will note the overall ~direction~ of usg psychiatry.
mircea_popescu: and the entire "everything wrong is really wrong with the brain" ie "not criminality but imbalance" so on and so forth are only superficially an ideology matter, ie "humanism" run amok us style.
mircea_popescu: yes, obviously, "antiepileptics for everything" aka "everything to do with the brain will be fixed by fucking with these neurotransmitters" comes from exactly this fertile field.
asciilifeform: antiepileptics tend to be 1) infinitely polymorphable into patentability 2) lobotomize patient into quiescence
mircea_popescu: heck, the fucking "expat" group in costa rica had it./ ☟︎
asciilifeform: btw 'bipolar as kindled [as per 1950s theory of epileptic fit origins] disease' comes entirely from one thing:
mircea_popescu: wherever there's two ustards, there's ustardation, aka this sort of narcisiac neurosis.
mircea_popescu: has 0 to do with pharma. where usg goes, the usg.problems go.
asciilifeform: and this is not even remotely limited to pharma.
mircea_popescu: That's how an entire nation of psychiatrists could have been deluded into prescribing Depakote for maintenance when the data itself says not to do it. It's belief, not money, "we believe bipolar is a kindled disorder..." Hell, if Harvard believes it, what chance do the rest of us have?"
mircea_popescu: He starts out as a young academic. He lands a spot in a research group that studies X, so he studies X, later he branches out into X+Y, or goes to Z, etc, eventually he finds himself a niche. And he believes in that niche, he believes in his data, no matter what it says. You can't convince him he's wrong because it isn't science and it isn't even a bias-- it's identity.
mircea_popescu: The money isn't corrupting him into thinking childhood bipolar is underdiagnosed-- he truly believes it. The reason he believes it is his entire professional existence-- his whole identity-- is predicated on believing it. He's not a scientist, he's a priest.
mircea_popescu: sults were coming no matter what, those publications were already going to be written.
mircea_popescu: "If Biederman never existed, nothing would be different. You read his resume, you think, wow, he's a big player. You don't realize that if he didn't exist there would be some other person in his exact position, who would also have become a Distinguished Professor, won awards, written 450 publications, etc. The machine was already in place, his slot was going to get filled; his mind didn't discover anything, those re ☟︎
mircea_popescu: http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2008/07/academics_hide_drug_company_pa.html << this shit is so on point...
mircea_popescu: it specifically says "you don't have mandate to start wars, unless you do."
mircea_popescu: and for that matter he had as much mandate to start a war as lincoln did.
mircea_popescu: reagan didn't have the mandate to send the airline union packing. it went packing. roosevelt had no mandate to confiscate people's currency, or to redefine currency, or to fuck up the justice system.
assbot: Logged on 14-10-2015 23:25:18; ben_vulpes: obama doesn't actually have the mandate to negotiate; subtle fact of us presidency that most outsiders (and usians) miss.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-10-2015#1299079 << and the american husband doesn't have the mandate to put wife on knees. of course he doesn't, except if he takes it, in which case he does. because this is kinda how this shit works. ☝︎
BingoBoingo: Nah, that's Magic Johnson
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-10-2015#1299074 <<< re that quote, in fairness and on re-read it could be said he sort-of gets it. maybe. lotta effort it takes, too ☝︎
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Jordan. During those two years he had to leave Basketball over those gambling debts