asciilifeform: right, exactly the 'argument' i was thinking. by same argument 'why die at the front, stay home and wait to drink bavarian beer'
asciilifeform: likely, someone, somewhere, still imagines that 'btc will to the moon'(tm) without anybody actually ~doing anything~. but asciilifeform does not read reddit, so cannot say in detail re this pov.
asciilifeform: how did mircea_popescu put it in that old essay, 'some people think that if they buy a big enuff house, it will never need to be cleaned'
asciilifeform: they -- are somewhere else, 'sitting'.
asciilifeform: i suppose from ye olde reddit 'hodl' pov ('why do anyffin with coin but to sit on it!') s.nsa, and likewise s.mg, pizarro, etc would look fundamentally damaged . but these folx, i expect, aren't tuned in to begin with.
asciilifeform: ( at one point went through hanbot's posts and the contexts )
asciilifeform: i was thinking, i read enuff of those for 1 lifetime..
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: noticed this myself , still creaks under load periodically. i've a new ver of frontend with saner caching, in the conveyor.
asciilifeform: agp was 1999-2008, roughly item, double-stacked pins, afaik only vga cards made for it.
asciilifeform: pcie is the current pci ( as seen in e.g. the pizarro boxen )
asciilifeform: what's the middle slot ? ( it isn't pin-compat with the yellow agp )
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i see 2 diff slots in there ( not counting pci )
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: loox like last agp item ever mass marketed was radeon 4670 ( itself a rarity ), circa '08
asciilifeform: right, but tweaked in particular direction.
asciilifeform: ( my one gripe re agp, and i suspect the reason why nobody afaik made e.g. disk controller for it , is that it had asymmetric bw -- substantially faster output than input ; thing was specifically sharpened for vga )
asciilifeform: all i've left re agp, is the bound paper standard (yes..) . and it indeed permitted 2 holes ! but i've not ever encountered a mb that had the 2nd one populated
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: what's your most recent mb with said hole ?
asciilifeform: well extinct in the dec alpha sense. ( 0 made since, idk, '07 ? )
asciilifeform: the added bonus would be that if run on a misconfigured system, it will do something moar informative than simply hang.
asciilifeform: ( theoretical lifetime of FG is anywhere from 30+ yrs , until electron migration nails the eeprom in the cpld , but nobody actually knows, tho fwiw this particular chip existed since 1997 iirc and no known failures , so lives at least this long )
asciilifeform: diana_coman, mircea_popescu : i'd still recommend adding a timeout ( and log alarm if it ever actually times out ) to the FG reader in the s.mg routine -- it isn't physically impossible for the box to die
asciilifeform: but point being, 'killer scope' won't be plugged into same bus as soundblaster16...
asciilifeform: however! this does not mean that the 'progress' idiocy where they replaced isa with a stateful monstrosity, is justified -- one could still have an isa-style bus today (i.e. directly addressable by cpu, and cards have simple 'is this for me?' logic, rather than book-length ???? )
asciilifeform: if one is willing to dispense with vintage cards, and take it to the 20MHz or so (beyond which the capacitance of the contacts becomes problem) that's still not anywhere near GB/s
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-01#1838902 << was rereading this thread, and realized that sadly nodice: 16bit (late years) isa, x 8MHz gives you 16MB/sec theoretical max, which is no kind of serious scope at all☝︎
asciilifeform: ( tbf, was up previously, simply returning old ip to peers )
