asciilifeform: ( unrelatedly, dug up vintage lul http://trilema.com/2017/how-i-almost-created-a-constellation-of-bitcoin-nodes/ , where mircea_popescu went through the sweat to replicate my failed pipes experiment . where in the end, yr+ later, the correct pill turned out to be entirely unrelated aggression patch )

asciilifeform: then i'm stumped.

asciilifeform: hm.

asciilifeform: that was in http://trilema.com/2016/theyre-not-progressive-theyre-just-lazy-a-practical-exercise/ iirc

asciilifeform: ( btw you still have a 'http://webchat.freenode.net/?channels=bitcoin-assets' in there )

asciilifeform: 'inasmuch as reddit hasn't been made by me or my friends nor is it owned by me or my friends it is ultra legem et extra curia, an outlaw thing, marked for death and without a future. Just like it's no crime to kill, maim or rob one without a WoT account, it's no crime to abuse reddit any way you please' etc

asciilifeform: there was also a passage in http://trilema.com/2014/spamming-reddit-an-experiment/

asciilifeform: possibly somewhere in the graph of http://trilema.com/2015/why-representative-democracy-doesnt-work-and-doesnt-make-sense/

asciilifeform: there is definitely a canonical piece , but where.

asciilifeform: hm.

asciilifeform: this also

asciilifeform: possibly that one trilema containing the 'souls of the dead' oglaf

asciilifeform: hmm

asciilifeform: in related lulz, usg.pravda drummed up Official hysteria for whole week re 'far right rally scheduled in washington' . then it comes, total of 30 reddit d00dz show up, and promptly turn tail when the 'antifas' appear. whole thing nonevent.

asciilifeform: ( hence 'blackhole' etc )

asciilifeform: result, naturally, is ~still~ blocking i/o, but proggy... pretends to run while blocked

asciilifeform: ( granted , in unixland it aint easy, and in winblowz planet -- ~impossible )

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: threading in trb is exactly variant of ye olde http://btcbase.org/log/2016-01-21#1379603 -- it's there because idjit had nfi how to do nonblocking i/o ☝︎

asciilifeform: plenty of these.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the yew thing, similar

asciilifeform: Mocky: yes it

asciilifeform: lol exactly like trb?!

asciilifeform: cpp added up to ~30+ yrs of utter disaster.

asciilifeform: and admission of failures.

asciilifeform: experiment , on intellectual honesty planet, includes discussion of result .

asciilifeform: without an intermediate sanity filter

asciilifeform: 1980s included plenty of examples of disastrous enthronement of 'this is experiment, go away' to 'industry captains'(tm)

asciilifeform: 'because can'

asciilifeform: there is no indication that there ever ~had been~ a 'why'. d00d designs like child picks his nose.

asciilifeform: 'we built straw bomber, it did not fly, gotta build bigger! one'

asciilifeform: observe how the unix folx, richie & thompson, also proceeded similarly, doubled down on the 'unix philosophy' in e.g. 'inferno'

asciilifeform: afaik he has never done anything else.

asciilifeform: the eulora folx can prolly add to this kunstkammer

asciilifeform: etc.

asciilifeform: 'this proggy is faux-multithreaded, so of fuckingcourse there's a lock around erry variable toggle' ☟︎

asciilifeform: 'you concated two strings, of course this uses unbounded heap space and frags'

asciilifeform: 'aah you put something in a hash table, why now surprised that it uses half a meg each time, dontchaknow it has to rebalance red-black'

asciilifeform: 'how much memory this uses' 'this q is turing-complete, try asking something else'

asciilifeform: shitoshi's horror is an archaetypical example.

asciilifeform: )

asciilifeform: ( naggum had the observation, went like 'brokenness of unix is the brokenness of c , of winblows -- of c++ '

asciilifeform: the man carries moar of the responsibility for microshit ecosystem than prolly any other single malignant shit alive.

asciilifeform: if one were to ~set out to~ take the merely convoluted pointersandoverflowslang aka c, and turn into ~permanently~ indecipherably stateful churning liquishit, it would be quite difficult to do a 'better' job of it than stroustrup did.

asciilifeform: whereas 'no , motherfucker, what c++ actually is, ~is~ the the microshit crock of shit'

asciilifeform: sorta the polar opposite of vtronic development : 'this is c++, this always was'

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-14#1841639 << actually quite pertinent to the thread -- stroustrup spent virtually entire past 20yrs , in successive attempts to coverup his n-1-st warcrime by pretending 'neverhappened' and... carrying on with moar of same! ☝︎

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: often whole life -- still notenuff

asciilifeform brb,meat

asciilifeform: ( granted , literacy only worx if there exist reader also, and not merely chuckcha-is-a-writer )

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: imho log is important labour-saving device, lack of ability to point n00b to $oldlog , instead of having to say same thing 10,000 times, is one of the plagues that killed usenet

asciilifeform: ( somewhere i got a GB+ of faqolade from the golden usenet days, some are pretty lulzy reads )

asciilifeform: sorta how 'faq' was invented.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: recall thread where ( i fughet which one of us ) posed gedankenexperiment, put in an eliza made out of collection of ' n00b: $input mircea_popescu: $output ' pairs, and see what it does to n00bs

asciilifeform: is ~= what asciilifeform noted, downthread

asciilifeform: funnel gotta be plugged at correct end.

asciilifeform: i suspect that playing 'let's patch winblowz' but with fleanode, is not winning proposition, yes

asciilifeform: aha

asciilifeform: rrright but thread was specifically re 'sometimes it dun hear on acct of $lameness'

asciilifeform: unreliable scribes suck tho

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-16#1800298 << ☝︎

asciilifeform: !#s self milling

asciilifeform: what was the line with the mills , from mircea_popescu

asciilifeform: well poseidon is a mr

asciilifeform: sure does. if mircea_popescu speaking into a gpgtron, then deliberate off-forum. if he's talking into a wire that turns out aint plugged into nuffin, then weather.

asciilifeform: as in !later tell mircea_popescu http:...gpgturd

asciilifeform: speaking of fleanode weather, rather than deliberate off-forum conv

asciilifeform: right. and then netsplit, and suddenly not

asciilifeform: y'know, like here an' nao

asciilifeform: at random

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: this being so, still imho suxx when , we yes had convo, but then it aint in any logs anywhere

asciilifeform: quite likely was attempt to copy ada behaviour while retaining 'compatibility'

asciilifeform: e.g. the spectacular clusterfuck of 'smart pointers'

asciilifeform: ( lifted poorly, unsurprisingly )

asciilifeform: it's part of how i ended up with ada : found that just about all of the 'good parts' of cpp11ism were lifted from it

asciilifeform: ( but also that it introduces massive batch of unknwown deviltry in place of ~known )

asciilifeform: http://logs.minigame.biz/2018-08-14.log.html#t01:52:40 << incidentally asciilifeform coupla yrs ago made failed attempt to replace 'boost' in trb with cpp11isms. principle obstacle was that gcc 4.9x doesn't really have 100% working cpp11. ☟︎

asciilifeform: noshit

asciilifeform: peculiarly dar al islam, in spite of barrel rolls and immelmanns on flying carpet, also somehow did not pioneer airplane...

asciilifeform: this is recurrent motif , e.g. self-enfooding tablecloth

asciilifeform: ahahahayes

asciilifeform: ( he drives it to the palace and takes over kingdom )

asciilifeform: btw the orig folktale included mega-line 'and many did the stove crush as it went' ☟︎

asciilifeform: https://i.pinimg.com/736x/7e/22/01/7e2201f558d42e467cc35c278b211882--stoves-fairytale.jpg << '80s ver ☟︎

asciilifeform: but typical of genre

asciilifeform: aah pic is prolly modern

asciilifeform: pre-su, but quintessentially slavic (tm)

asciilifeform: olden age item.

asciilifeform: ( lazy son (tm)(r) likes to sit on warm stove all day, makes threewishes, gets magic stove & other 'just works'en )

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i think you ro folx had ~similar tale, with the pike fish and the magic stove

asciilifeform: there might be, but you gotta drill through 500 metres of rock and 100 of liquishit, to get to'em.

asciilifeform: ^ that is where it is. ( in fairy tale )

asciilifeform: http://printonic.ru/uploads/images/2016/02/22/.tmb/thumb_img_56cae08a49909_resize_900_5000.jpg << oblig re 'just like'

asciilifeform: d00d is gonna have to lay it all out , by hand.

asciilifeform: cuz as it stands, to this day the state of the art re hacksaw work, is the plain old chalkboard...

asciilifeform: oh mircea_popescu , recall the flowgraph project ?

asciilifeform: aa

asciilifeform: i dun think i know the ref -- are these euloric artifacts ?

asciilifeform: aa

asciilifeform: ( i assume he was found equal to the work, at some earlier time )

asciilifeform: he's full time eulorist nao, iirc