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asciilifeform: reality as seen through this 2cm hole in this here tank.
mircea_popescu: sometimes. some other times you mean you've just said something on the basis of self-perceived needs, not on the basis of reality.
asciilifeform: but yes, it is possible to cause a flood. but can this be compared with the ease of setting up a ddos, and untraceably ?
asciilifeform: when i say 'afaik' i really mean it. open to being shown the counterexample. or at least proof-of-existence
mircea_popescu: wouldn't you expect if i hired a tramp to flood my business for the insurance his story would be "he wanted to strand his wife so he could fish and have an affair" ?
mircea_popescu: and you know this how ?
mircea_popescu: what are you talking about!
asciilifeform: shinohai: 'i heard that ivan won a car in the lotto.' 'yes! but not ivan but piotr, not a car but an overcoat, not in lotto but at cards, and not won but lost' ☟︎☟︎☟︎
mircea_popescu: shinohai you don't understand the magical power of "afaik" in defense of the holy "basic bojum".
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mircea_popescu: no, to you it's unpleasant for the right reasons. to me it's unpleasant for the wrong reasons.
mircea_popescu: we kinda need to stop this conversation based on what you imagine the world could be, it's unpleasant.
asciilifeform: nor is this a practical thing
asciilifeform: afaik no one has ever artificially caused a flood to claim flood insurance
mircea_popescu: "no one will insure either" "everyone will insure both to the same degree".
jurov: how can be ddos === flood if noone will insure the former?
asciilifeform: aha which is why 'flood insurance' is the domain of usg
jurov: mircea_popescu: anyone. i just want to inllustrate your poor analogies
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform same is true of floods.
jurov: mircea_popescu: age you going to insure me for ddos if rent a box?
mircea_popescu: odd, i thought the icazu thing was mentioned.
asciilifeform: if my house got routinely 'ddosed' (e.g. the classic dump-gravel-in-his-road trick) again and again, may very well be reduced to living in a car.
mircea_popescu: awww. gotta travel more.
mircea_popescu: orly, they don't ?
jurov: landlords nor water have ddos potential. try harder, mircea_popescu
shinohai: I have yet to try lsd, perhaps I should. >..
asciilifeform: if indeed this is a problem that merely needs 'will' to solve, and no technical improvements, i might simply be lacking the necessary lsd to grasp it.
mircea_popescu: because i also know what words mean and that they exist, fancy that!
mircea_popescu: and thank you very much for the credit, but if i'll actually ever need or want a "human wave", i'll fucking say that. in those words.
mircea_popescu: a) there's no "germs" and b) people have been drinking water before you were born.
mircea_popescu: stfu about how you need a robotic hand to turn on the tap to have a drink of water.
asciilifeform: i get it, 'stfu about the line of german pillboxes already, you're demoralizing the men'
mircea_popescu: ie, society's always-on sclerotic tissue.
mircea_popescu: and since the demand still exists, what fill it are marginal drug addicts/teenagers/random idiots,
mircea_popescu: but it is irresponsible, bcause what's left after all that poison, is all the people for whom it'd be a great job and a great living not doing it.
mircea_popescu: because you sit there and try and convince everyone that hey, "human wave" and "basic bojum" and whatever other avatars, because you personally need to explain to yourself why you aren't doing it. the thing is that it wouldn't be your job to do ANYWAY! this needs no fucking explaining already.
asciilifeform: the mega-special love for the motherland ?
asciilifeform: what i was asking is, what is to distinguish this new, magical and heroic hoster from the 1,000,001 existing ones?
asciilifeform: and the one before it.
asciilifeform: wherever the old box was.
mircea_popescu: i have yet to find one.
asciilifeform: hosting market is full of folks who didn't 'stupidly wait for x before y' and 'just did it.' but it seems like their offerings are not cutting it ?
mircea_popescu: it's just people being needed that do ~well~ things you don't like and don't understand (these two not necessarily unrelated).
asciilifeform: so the client list would be: mircea_popescu
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform there is no human wave attack involved in all of this for the love of christ.
asciilifeform: it would have to cost an order of magnitude more than conventional hoster
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla do you understand what psychic defenses work / what they are ?
asciilifeform: i mean i get it, mircea_popescu is stalin and не шагу назад and human wave attacks do have merit and occasionally do the job. but the kind of thing proposed here is inherently not a 'mass' product.
mircea_popescu: this nonsense where "we have to x before we can y" is how ustardian women get to be 30+ and "waiting for a baby".
kakobrekla: add to list.
kakobrekla: you need to fix internet first (check alfs drawer) then you can have cookies
mircea_popescu: the fact remains it's by far juicier and lower hanging than anything they do.
mircea_popescu: contrary to any justifications people use to explain to themselves why they aren't picking this very juicy, extremely low hanging fruit (which plenty might even be right in doing, but not usually for the reasons they give - it's more like, they suck at doing the slow, patient, dilligent sort of work that this, like all bureaucracy entails, etc)
asciilifeform: whatever happened to the old-fashioned 'bulletproof spam hosting' types ?
mircea_popescu: anyway : unlike the average start-up my own business thing (which yes, 90% fail anyway) you have some major advantages, in that you're not coming up with an idea and hoping a market finds you, but on the contrary, the fgucking market is begging you alreadyt. ☟︎
asciilifeform: kakobrekla, mircea_popescu: right now it looks rather like a 'die for the motherland!' sorta investment. hence no takerz.
mircea_popescu: this is, like any "start-up my own business", a 12 to 16 hours a day sort of investment, no ifs or buts about it.
kakobrekla: but why hasnt someone done this yet? margins too thin, bitcoin too poorfags.
mircea_popescu: what you, or at any rate someone, has to do is research a sane jurisdiction, register a company, find some datacenters, enter into service agreements, research some providers, buy some hardware, have it delivered etc. ☟︎
shinohai: But basically qntra et all need a sane place to host their respective pages? I must research this "host" thing in lawgs.
mircea_popescu: heh. you got some waiting to do then.
shinohai: Something that pays entirely in sovereign bitcoin.
shinohai: If it is a *bitcoin* company then mayhap yes
mircea_popescu: well, do you actually want to start a company ?
shinohai: Nothing, my parents thought college was a waste because Jesus was coming back or something. So, education by doing.
mircea_popescu: well, what did you go to school for ?
shinohai: Wrote safety SOPs for companies to keep them in osha compliance ☟︎
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shinohai: Unlike my fellow litigants, I hired someone to plan out my monies so I didn't have to go on dole.
mircea_popescu: was this some personal injury thing, or was this where you're actually a nuisance lawyer ?
shinohai: I'm "retired" due to an influx of lawsuit cash.
mircea_popescu: none of this is god damned rocket science already. it just needs someone to actually do it, instead of meditation.
asciilifeform: hence the octopus. but without some physical discouragement, they will simply take the legs of the octopus one by one.
mircea_popescu: by having a bunch of them.
asciilifeform: but how else do you keep weasels from ~quietly~ carting off the boxes?
mircea_popescu: seems to me keeping functional servers is superior.
mircea_popescu: and honestly, i am not terribly impressed with propaganda of the deed as a means to enact change.
mircea_popescu: a rifle token is anti-useful.
mircea_popescu: not unless you're actually willing to use the rifle.
shinohai would happily live in a dc with arms for the remainder of his existence ....
asciilifeform: even the knife, i think, has a place in this. i.e. a dc where an actual wot member lives, with a rifle, would be an improvement over the present-day state of the art
asciilifeform: the answer is gossipd. or, in the short term, an 'octopus' topology with server(s) behind ciphered lines connected to a constellation of private exit proxies, similar to (iirc) what was used in mpex.
mircea_popescu: to me it just reads "here's the justification", in this case.
asciilifeform: 'boojum' is not a devil to be worshipped, but an engineering problem, like, e.g., resistive loss in power line
mircea_popescu: but the point has to be made.
mircea_popescu: pick either of these worldviews, they're both needed, and stick to it. what's not needed is the waffling exemplified by "basic bojum"
mircea_popescu: you'll get rent free acommodation without any internet access for the rest of your life.
mircea_popescu: and if you disagree it's more important, here's a simple plan : go buy a knife, walk to the closest cop, and stick it in his gut.
mircea_popescu: this is more important, not less important. you live in the street because "renter flees" before "there's no hosting because dc flees".
mircea_popescu: but i dun care what you meant. i care what i meant. and what i meant is, you don't live in the street because "if landlord hears btc he flees".
jurov: no, i meant when they see it's used for bitcoin--related services
asciilifeform: 'Yasuomi Hirai, 28, allegedly hid in a drain under a Kobe, Japan sidewalk grate to peep up the skirts of women as they stepped over. "His hair got caught at the edge of the grate, which drew the attention of some pedestrians," a Hyogo prefectural police officer told AFP. Hirai has been arrested previously for the same offense. According to police, Hirai told them that he wants to be reincarnated as "part of pavement in the nex
jurov: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-11-2015#1326152 << when dc hears "bitcoin" they flee. i'd do it only if you agree to hide behind CDN or buy a trunk line ☝︎
mircea_popescu: whatever you call them, aparatchik v2
mircea_popescu: this is not the moo
asciilifeform does not know what happens in the head of the moo, can only conjecture
mircea_popescu: this is how this works now ?
asciilifeform: well, my guess re: the propaganda is that it was meant to counter the moo notion that 'oh i'm doomed to get it anyway from mosquito, may as well share heroin syringe'
mircea_popescu: you got about the same chances to get hiv from someone spitting in your eye as you got from gettign cancer fro msmoking
jurov: anyway, no hoster will solve your problems at this stage