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a111: Logged on 2016-06-30 23:59 phf: asciilifeform: but to get back to my point, the fact that local-time as implemented by kommmuniti is shit doesn'
t have to affect ~me~. i know what the right way (or a better one) of doing things is, but if naggum didn'
t write his paper, i wouldn'
t. i thought that's kind of the WoT approach
adlai: because he thinks i should never touch any drug ever. i didn'
t ask about coffee or glucose but myeah.
adlai: mircea_popescu: amazingly, the last doctor i saw told me that i have two choices: take the meds, or don'
t... but tell people you're off them
phf: there aren'
t allegroisms in there
adlai: amazingly enough software has a halflife even when at rest. CLM doesn'
t compile today.
trinque: I don'
t lament that there isn'
t some opensource naggum editor out there; I lament that I can'
t spend 20k or w/e and buy an actual computer
☟︎ trinque: my reaction to GPL earlier has to do with that. we're all lamenting the wreckage, and wasn'
t it precisely that too many morons got involved in the craft?
☟︎ trinque: phf: isn'
t the reason he didn'
t that he was that car without fuel?
phf: if naggum wrote his emacs, or at the very least started one, then i wouldn'
t be necessarily stuck without a text editor i could trust or work with (hemlock being a particularly bad implementation, and emacs corrupted beyond redemption, etc)
phf: asciilifeform: but to get back to my point, the fact that local-time as implemented by kommmuniti is shit doesn'
t have to affect ~me~. i know what the right way (or a better one) of doing things is, but if naggum didn'
t write his paper, i wouldn'
t. i thought that's kind of the WoT approach
☟︎ phf: i got exposed to library as part of my attempt to revive cl-ledger, that actually doesn'
t need time component at all. as an accounting tool it almost entirely deals with dates (except in its timetracking functionality)
adlai: but then it wouldn'
t be unix enough!
phf: well, there was a bunch of things, so i'm just going to hand waive it, but one major issue is that it doesn'
t actually have a date, time, datetime separation
phf:
http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-30#1493744 << i think of these projects in the same terms i think of "knowledge" in general. same way as there's no abstract scientific knowledge that's somehow "accessible" to "society", there isn'
t universal good value to naggum's emacs, but there would've been value in naggum's ~to me~ as a kind of abstract node in what i'm hoping is a graph of sane people. same way as "scientific knowledge" is only a kind of comm
☝︎ a111: Logged on 2016-06-30 20:31 asciilifeform: e.g., 'fuck you i ain'
t running no PROGRAMS embedded in no stinkin' music file'
phf: yeah, i'm surprised they weren'
t involved in, say, ITA
mircea_popescu: altogether the attempt to make a "web browser" work seems educational (read : selffuckstick) than anything. we don'
t even want tcp to survive, let alone html, css or js.
a111: Logged on 2016-06-30 16:45 ben_vulpes: in other OTHER OTHER news, i upgraded this laptop to 10.11 and now the second mini hdmi port doesn'
t work
a111: Logged on 2016-06-30 16:12 mircea_popescu: "did you as much as re-read this shit ?" "ain'
t nobody got time for that ??"
ben_vulpes: in other OTHER OTHER news, i upgraded this laptop to 10.11 and now the second mini hdmi port doesn'
t work
☟︎ mircea_popescu: $google "these bitches are disrespectin' an' that ain'
t right!"
mircea_popescu: you know, i'm mildly surprised webcam companies haven'
t built the arcade scroller irl yet. you could have this special obstacle course built, have the camhos try and complete it, people could pay to watch, bet on whether they manage or not...
mircea_popescu: this, needless to say, i hope, ISN'
T HOW YOU FUCKING WRITE. code or anything else.
mircea_popescu: "did you as much as re-read this shit ?" "ain'
t nobody got time for that ??"
☟︎ mircea_popescu: but they didn'
t then bother to go back, and check the terms, and check the relations, and cross-examine their production.
a111: Logged on 2016-06-30 16:00 asciilifeform: rms is tragicomic precisely ~because~ he won'
t let go of fundamentally usgistic thinking
mircea_popescu: Times have changed, women are now worthless, but computers aren'
t, and these same dead hand fictions propose anew : that they own all computers, that if you own a computer it's only a sublease from them, subject to furthering their regulations and so on and so forth. Specifically excluded from all this - what the code actually says and does. Particularly "criminal" - using a computer in the manner it itself allows to be used."
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i can'
t find the one with "buy computing" like old dudes/church wanted to "buy women". darn.
mircea_popescu: what specific measures should he take in his relations with his gf, other than the current precautions so wife doesn'
t find out, to satisfy your needs ?
trinque: but I don'
t want to sign onto a talmudic interpretation of WoT-o-tronics, either generally or in this instance
phf: trinque: nah, not ~entire~ wot and not forever. but let's say i give you code under wotgpl, it means that the code has certain propagation properties within wot, and i don'
t have to negrate you if you abide by a certain set of pre-discussed rules
mircea_popescu: but point remains, binary is more insidious than readily observed. you can'
t reduce text to "code" nor can you reduce binary to "elf".
mircea_popescu: besides the point. it's a random byte field you didn'
t make, and can'
t verify.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform except i don'
t see anyone has an implicit freedom allowing him to review other people's notes.
mircea_popescu: phf i don'
t think stallman, for all his posturing, was muich in the philosophy department. seriously, ima have a special right to use code ? tell you what - have the inalienable freedom to use weapons, in any manner i deem fit, such as against the us president, and to use the penis, and plates of pasta, and napkin scribblings and anything else.
phf: asciilifeform: erm, yeah, i didn'
t mean gpl, i meant stallman's code freedoms
mircea_popescu: phf i don'
t see a problem with gpl per se, but i'm not going to enforce it myself.
phf: wouldn'
t this sort of statements of philosophical position (i don'
t know a better term) still be effective among the aristoi? there's that idea that u.s. constitution was written for the privileged classes, and that you had to a) be able to write b) own a pen c) own a piece of paper to participate in voting process. or would gpl still be a bad idea if was restricted to in-wot?
mircea_popescu: i don'
t see value in this. what, there's a universal right to understand ?
phf: obviously can'
t do this in a company with HR, wreckers, etc.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform in any case, while the value of "bright young fellow wants to learn boyer-moore through checking out phf's code" is there ; i'm not about to push you to publish phuctor code for some vague fetishist love of foss. which i don'
t have.
phf: thestringpuller: and requires extensive training to undo, for example i make sure all my devs have copies of the documentation for relevant code on their machines, and direct their attention to it whenever i can. you'd be surprised™ how many people don'
t even know where the docs for their framework etc. are
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform 1) nobody of the "background and experience in management experience spawns many years" derps running ethereum built from source, or COULD build from source. i've seen enough of those lolz in eulora to have a pretty close idea ; 2. nobody's asking you to run trinque's shit on your box, so there's a difference here. but 1 and 2 aside, absofuckinglutely wtf. this isn'
t about tivoization of code.
thestringpuller: the value of open source is actually negative << it didn'
t start off that way... the early 90's were an okay time...
mircea_popescu: well, this isn'
t going to go anywhere, open source is a method to bolt shut doors of stables after horses left.
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: "copy/paste me but don'
t ever read me!" << *sigh* In fact this just happened today. Developer tells me, "Hey copy this snipped into the codebase from github". I respond with, "Have you read the code?" They tell me, "Nope. But it works!" So guess who is stuck reading the code...
mircea_popescu: reydev he did in fact slap it together himself ; more generally "open source" in the general, github-y, "copy/paste me but don'
t ever read me!" sense is not much of a republican value. which isn'
t to say that you can'
t get at the code, but it is to say you can'
t expect to just find it online. if you got questions, ask teh lord in question.
thestringpuller: well you technically don'
t have to trust trinque. for the people you've rated, you can just ask them directly when you do gettrust about the rating in question. so if trinque did manipulate the ratings in someway, people using the web of trust correctly would eventually uncover "the errors"
trinque: lol, I didn'
t say this was pretty sausage
phf: i don'
t want to know! it's much nicer when the whole thing's in memory :>
phf: you kind of need to write a graph walker, and since you're doing it in sql, i don'
t even know how to make it not suck
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski didn'
t work for italy because, in spite of rural shithole, nevertheless delusions of grandeur, and unwarranted impressions that "we've already smoked this joint".
shinohai: I rather like older tools, don'
t mod the maintenance. Most tools sold in stores locally are garbage.
mod6: quick search doesn'
t show anything definitive. but you could always check in #freenode, trinque
a111: Logged on 2015-10-12 15:02 mircea_popescu:
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-10-2015#1296856 << china likes us start-up culture and its effects. "never interrupt enemy when making a mistake". traditionally you wouldn'
t have the gall to pointedly help him, either, but i think mr xi correctly inferred ustardian head too far up ass to even notice.
mircea_popescu: ie, if you manage to cure it, it was curable. otherwise, no. but note that the people who invent cures aren'
t PROPER doctors.
mircea_popescu: their fundamental idea that "if i don'
t swear i'll go to heaven" is entirely built of this stupidium
mircea_popescu: not particularly. there isn'
t any form that's perpetual. ideas are ; forms change.
thestringpuller: so isn'
t it a bit odd that Slock.It is refusing to release the security audit of The DAO? It really looks as if this is straight up MtGox 2.0. Pretty sure someone inside slock.it hacked the DAO and got a huge payoff.
mircea_popescu: there isn'
t a "upping the milimorts". you gotta NOT CARE.
a111: Logged on 2016-01-23 03:40 mircea_popescu: the people who don'
t care if they life or die either live or die. the people who do care - end up paying rent to the ones that live.
mircea_popescu: no, it exists because walled off storefronts don'
t look good.
mircea_popescu: well, what can i tell you. if he uses proper truck is likely unionized, and if he is, he can'
t do it even if he wants to.
mircea_popescu: and forget stuff like bauxite. you can'
t have as much as a truckload of books delivered by printer.
mircea_popescu: people who do shipping know where proper loading docks are. you don'
t give them one of those, you don'
t trade.
mircea_popescu: if the log scatters of discussions of my buys hasn'
t illuminated the matter yet lol.
mircea_popescu:
http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-29#1492644 << amusingly, judging by the comment count on the official announcement of the latest blunder ("for best results running our fix for the attack - please don'
t run it at all!"), even 1k total seems exaggerated. ethereum is dead as disco, will take at least 6 months to re-inflate. prolly more like 18. and i somehow doubt the "many years spanned by experience in experience" people have
t ☝︎ adlai told his #
t, as an example of "truth" (Schemers Hate Him!), about ''shrink''
a111: Logged on 2016-06-29 04:18 trinque: or does some consumer products company somehow "pivot" to surviving a situation where consumers don'
t have money