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a111: Logged on 2019-04-12 11:33 mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-12#1908312 << which is why not 32. as per http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-05#1884736 etc, all that's left is 64.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-12#1908318 << dun confuse the gedanken-fpga lut thrd with the 'ideal alu bus' one. i.e. a 64-bit bus is a set of 64 wires ; a 64-bit ~lut~ otoh is 2^64 sram cells , a planet-sized object , and with 1 lonely flipflop , lol, somewhere inside its molten core ☝︎☟︎
a111: Logged on 2019-01-05 15:58 asciilifeform: ( i.e. one would have to put in mircea_popescu's specced exponent bitness where 'Bitness' is in http://www.loper-os.org/pub/ffa/hypertext/ch14/fz_modex__adb.htm#85_14 , to get the speedup )
a111: Logged on 2019-04-12 02:30 asciilifeform: ( by asciilifeform's napkin estimate, there are possibly 52 bits of addressable electric memory on planet3 atm.. )
mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-12#1908312 << which is why not 32. as per http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-05#1884736 etc, all that's left is 64. ☝︎☝︎☟︎
a111: Logged on 2019-04-12 02:11 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-11#1908273 << i neglected to add to this: the wider the lut, also the slower ( why -- will leave as exercise, but it aint difficult to figure out )
mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-12#1908306 << not the slower in proper comparison. 1 64bit-wide faster than 8 8-bit wides, even if slower than 1 80bit wide. ☝︎
BingoBoingo: One likbez at a time
asciilifeform: see also ye olde fable re the sultan's chessboard.
asciilifeform: ( by asciilifeform's napkin estimate, there are possibly 52 bits of addressable electric memory on planet3 atm.. ) ☟︎
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-11#1908275 << this also howler btw. 64bit sram weighs approx. a jupiter... ☝︎
asciilifeform: ( picture, 1st fella to solve the exercises, gets prize, a sample fpga, lol )
asciilifeform confronts the fact that he's prolly doomed to pen a ffa-style vlsi tutorial 1 day..
a111: Logged on 2019-04-11 19:45 asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: the sq.metrage of cell grows exponentially with bitness of lut
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-11#1908273 << i neglected to add to this: the wider the lut, also the slower ( why -- will leave as exercise, but it aint difficult to figure out ) ☝︎☟︎
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-11#1908303 << for folx w/out the spare cycles to read the orig horror -- classical nsaware , complete with 'null ciphers' , 'negotiations', etc lulz ☝︎
asciilifeform bbl also : tea
asciilifeform: but i'll be the 1st to admit that i have not even the faintest clue of how could amortize . considering e.g. fg experience.
asciilifeform: granted i ~could~ have heathens bake coupla hundred dies, for the cost of e.g. that bolix
mp_en_viaje: ayway, the economics of yields etc will, i expect, be quite different for republic than they're in empire.
asciilifeform: as i described in last yr's thrd, would 1st have to invent some -- even hypothetical -- means whereby +ev
mp_en_viaje: there's also that.
asciilifeform: it aint as if i have a queue of folx at the door demanding clean fpga lol
mp_en_viaje: you wouldn't want to bake if it's that expensive anyway
asciilifeform: it's moar like moon launcher than desktop experiment.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: you wouldn't want to even consider baking unless ~very~ concrete idea of what (and simulated the thing)
mp_en_viaje: i dunno that this discussion can be carried before we get a basket of baked items.
BingoBoingo: mp_en_viaje: As slow as this month started, it seems the lulz are starting to heat
asciilifeform: like the solar panel people do.
asciilifeform: as illustrated in yest. thrd, 'many small lut' give you , among other things, a means of working around crystal defect.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: this is prolly the #1 noob q of folx digging into subj. answr is yield, it is why 'pentium' isn't fist-sized
asciilifeform: sram is really the degenerate case, '1 giant lut'
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, why does the die have to be that small ?
mp_en_viaje: BingoBoingo, the keks multiply!
asciilifeform: ( it reduces to an expensive sram )
asciilifeform: not much that can be done with this.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: the sq.metrage of cell grows exponentially with bitness of lut ☟︎
mp_en_viaje: seems the just-right both for large and small.
feedbot: http://qntra.net/2019/04/former-obama-administration-official-indicted-for-violating-foreign-agent-registration-laws-following-special-counsel-investigation-into-trump-campaign/ << Qntra -- Former Obama Administration Official Indicted For Violating Foreign Agent Registration Laws Following Special Counsel Investigation Into Trump Campaign
asciilifeform: the basic scheme was invented around 1980 and hasn't much changed (but for the various heterogeneous 'cheats' thrown in by vendors to help cement lock-in )
asciilifeform: there's ~1 way to do it. and various optional lily gilding.
asciilifeform: most folx making fpga-like things naodays, use 6bit luts
asciilifeform: if make smaller than 4, seems to be (empirically) losing idea, the propagation delays from many small cells eat you alive
mp_en_viaje: but yes, there's not so many ways to do this.
asciilifeform: it is possible to have LUTs bigger than 4 ( but naturally cuts down on count )
mp_en_viaje: i recall ~same thing described in some trilema comment at some point.
asciilifeform: anyffin added on this skeleton, is a luxury frill. ( e.g. 'express lanes' that go somewhere other than immediate neighbour, or whatever )
asciilifeform: that's it, this is whole fpga.
asciilifeform: the latter case is for when you want the cell to store a bit.
asciilifeform: the 17th bit controls whether the output goes ~straight~ to the neighbours, or instead through a d-flipflop.
asciilifeform: in cell : 16 bits form 4bit lookup table (i.e. for any concrete 4bit input, there is unique out.) the inputs come from the north/south/east/west neighbours.
asciilifeform: all the shift regs are plugged in, arse to mouth, in 1 chain. to program the chip, you clock in n * 17 bits, where n is how many cell.
asciilifeform: erry type of homogeneous fpga worx on same principle. you have cell, in the cell, a shift register. for simplest example take 17 bits. (will be clear why shortly)
asciilifeform: thinking about it, whole item is simple enuff that it'd fit in a coupla log lines. so i'ma throw in ftr :
mp_en_viaje: seems as if morons involved in "management" (called also "adult supervision" in their sad if moronic little universe) decided "it won't seem as serious business to consumers if works both ways"
asciilifeform: ( i.e. 'taxicab' grid topology, as illustrated in yest. thrd. )
mp_en_viaje: notice how at the same time a) all subway cars have little pilot room on both ends, 90% of which dark and disused at any time while b) any electronic component, even fucking memory banks, have a "this way in". why the fuck even, it's just memory.
asciilifeform: i suppose i can answer wainot done to date by anyone -- it needs 100% homogeneous structure
asciilifeform: it's entirely trivial from mechanical pov.
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, yes, rotation is quite a great win, and very much would like to see it if at all possible from engineer pov.
mp_en_viaje: it seems a matter of recorded evidence that ~all these usg-secreted dorks stuck around for as long as their credit here seemed above water, and not longer.
a111: Logged on 2019-01-03 19:13 stratum: Certainly, but one still has to survive among the internet places as they exist.. We cannot all be RMS and have a helper print out websites for us because we're paranoid.
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, re assange, it's all about ideology. if http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-03#1884188 style reference produces point-and-laugh, the gavin in question will be retired. if on the contrary, we react like eg to naggum, the gavin in question will be maintained. ☝︎
asciilifeform: ( why no one ever did this, i have nfi )
asciilifeform: incidentally, while on subj, asciilifeform's napkin model of item has symmetric power/io pins, can go on board in 4 ways. put randomly on ea. board, wainot, then give it correspondingly rotated config cell stream.
asciilifeform: idea being, can be made on chinese conveyor, let'em try an' hide little obama in a 200 transistor cell.
asciilifeform: rrright, hence the fpga model.
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, item assembled from discrete ~and interchangeable~ parts in kitchen is next best (and, by my lights, acceptable tradeoff under duress) to actually made in kitchen.
mp_en_viaje: of course, note how they can't even issue more on the "full faith and credit" budget, stuck involving the imf's piggy now,
mp_en_viaje: BingoBoingo, that part is quite fucking lulzy.
BingoBoingo: Well, his last important act was making USG.Blue organ poorer by a smidge less than Trump wants for his fence
a111: Logged on 2019-04-11 19:14 mp_en_viaje: amusingly enough, "assange arrest" looks to be almost entirely driven by republic no longer recognizing dood as important.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-11#1908219 << hard to picture what 'importance' was left after d00d was cornered into his mousetrap ☝︎
asciilifeform: lol if could 'in kitchen' why would then bother to fpga.
a111: Logged on 2019-04-06 23:42 asciilifeform: right, the problem is specifically that it's happening somewhere other than my kitchen.
mp_en_viaje: sorta how teenagers mate.
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, the funniest part is how ridiculously stupid-cuntlet the usgistani became meanwhile. they're so well burned being humiliated over their impotence, they'll only "indict" after they're sure it'll do something. before -- too risky.
a111: Logged on 2019-04-10 20:32 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-10#1907891 << thinking about this further, prolly Right Thing would be a hybrid where there's a repeating block of e.g. 32x32x32 cells connected in 'cube' (this, or even larger, would still fit on physically 2d die) arranged in n x m matrix
mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-10#1907956 << possibru, there's no speciffic gain from hand-assembling the cube necessarily. possible trade-offs of cubes-in-plane vs one-true-cube design worth looking at. not yet, of course. but anyways. ☝︎
asciilifeform: prolly landing in dulles already , pugachev cage ready to roll to scaffold
a111: Logged on 2015-02-21 01:19 mircea_popescu: "she's been going through 6-7k each month since autumn, but i get to go visit p diddy whenever i feel like it. it's a wash"
mp_en_viaje: i guess the charade was expensive enough, had to come to an end once the imaginary upside, "purchasing influence in republic" became moot. ☝︎
BingoBoingo: Well seven years in the same hostel full of hostile surveilance equipment... Hard to be relevant. Should have sought asylum in a better hostel.
a111: Logged on 2019-03-25 16:33 mircea_popescu: the guys to whom assange attempted to leak, basically. the "public opinion", whatever.
mp_en_viaje: amusingly enough, "assange arrest" looks to be almost entirely driven by republic no longer recognizing dood as important. ☝︎☟︎
BingoBoingo: But yes, the liberal "protect all buttspawners" of Reddit cheerleading Assange arrest.
BingoBoingo: Well, when USG is paying 4.2 billion bounties for single derps living in the Ecuador Govt. Hostel London edition...
mp_en_viaje: citizenship's unrevokable by definition, wtf nonsense is this.
BingoBoingo: Meanwhile in Reddit Liberals discussing the Assange arrest "Julian Buttsange Arrested": http://archive.is/zBVj6
mp_en_viaje: god doesn't make more bandwidth just because more sheilas got knocked up this year.
mp_en_viaje: hey, gotta accomodate all the unceasing cuntspawn, with rights, with whatnots.
asciilifeform recalls when the lowest plebe still got 56+kbaud , on land line. then 16kb on '1g', 8 (with lossy compression!) on '2g'. nao next crank of the ratchet.
asciilifeform: i suspect the new buyers of spectrum already moving in, without waiting for '2g' to fully die
mp_en_viaje: well, trivially works in yurp atm, ~all providers supply both cards and phones.
asciilifeform: but even they recently signed surrender
mp_en_viaje: "However, some European operators – including Telenor of Norway and T-Mobile Czech Republic – have suggested that their 2G networks could outlast their 3G systems. As 3G is replaced by 4G and 5G technologies, GSM services are being retained to service legacy machine-to-machine connections, in addition to their extensive voice coverage. "
mp_en_viaje: i suspect it'll be perma-maintained in yurp, but nfi tbh.
asciilifeform: they're deliberately squeezing out the vintage iron .
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, im not about to 3g wtf.
mp_en_viaje: its unsurprising, empiretards quite philosophically opposed to sanity, and whitelisting eminent example of such.