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mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-12-2015#1348552 << im not sure this is such a good idea. conceptually it dillutes the whole notion, practically it makes cyclicity a nightmare. ☝︎
asciilifeform: afaik the only implementation that barfed from these is... mine
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: the other thing a vtron needs to handle is orphans << heh.
asciilifeform: was sorta the point of 'v'
mircea_popescu: and thius is a good thing.
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> (you simply end up with a dead branch on the tree) << very much this
asciilifeform: now who doesn't dream of that !
mircea_popescu: well, be all that as it may, i do hope that before i die i reach that enchanted nirvana where i don't have to deal with anyone other than mps.
asciilifeform: (you simply end up with a dead branch on the tree)
asciilifeform: and in fact makes a convenient record of what's been tried and rejected
asciilifeform: v does not imply 'carved in stone for the ages'
asciilifeform: i was sorta having this thread with mod6 earlier:
jurov: if i come with something usable, then vpatch
asciilifeform: ;;later tell jurov http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/attachments/20151219/mempool_dev2_a654caa4f28ed6f78906fef28060c2f46470f067.patch << why not vpatch ?
punkman: I thought the point is to put in others' mouths
jurov: i'd say the answer was "beat the universe down till it allows you to be mircea_popescu"
asciilifeform: by the next new moon, the remaining you will be a mircea_popescu . ~~~
asciilifeform: take this Luger, and put it in your mouth, like so...
asciilifeform: 'every morning, when you wake up, look in the mirror; if you notice that you are not a mircea_popescu, ☟︎
asciilifeform: and the master replied,
asciilifeform: ~~~ once upon a time, a disciple asked mircea_popescu: 'how do i become a mircea_popescu ?'
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-12-2015#1348500 << so be a mircea_popescu. the fucking point of the entire thing is for you to be a mircea_popescu. ☝︎
mircea_popescu: and pay your taxes, too.
assbot: Logged on 20-12-2015 17:26:51; punkman: "Instead of abusing the exploit i have decided to help Coinbase fix the exploit by telling them step to step instructions on how to reproduce the bug on hackerone. After they were able to fix the exploit i was rewarded a measly $5,000 bounty, which i thought was unfair and was expecting to get upwards of $25,000. I helped them fix something that could have damaged them in hundreds of
mircea_popescu: but hey, they got a romanian too right ? must cunt for something.
assbot: Logged on 20-12-2015 17:07:47; asciilifeform: do i need to actually read this thing
asciilifeform: this was the house line
asciilifeform: incidentally the city line was fine
mircea_popescu: that was the job, replacing the main sewage line. last done in the 60s.
mircea_popescu: no, that's boston.
asciilifeform: ah the place where some schmuck got sweeheart contract with city hall to dig up ~whole town~ ?
mircea_popescu: otherwise, they get replaced.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform if you think what's wrong with infrastructure neglected for a century is the clay, or the trees, or the roots or the gradients you're a very special fellow.
assbot: Logged on 26-05-2014 18:58:27; asciilifeform: meanwhile! end of sewer saga: city excavated street, disassembled pipe, found tree roots behind the property line - which had become clogged with backed up crud (for the 30 hours or so the city's pipe was broken.) now they will fight with landlord's insurance co.
asciilifeform: ( old thread... http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-05-2014#689735 ) ☝︎
mircea_popescu: governments trail in every measure of efficiency, efficacity, sophistication or otherwise success, yet the assumption is that hey, if it work it musta been a government.
mircea_popescu: "The breach is believed to be the work of a foreign government, U.S. officials said, because of the sophistication involved. " << fucktards.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: this was strictly downhill. known bug of 100-y.o. clay pipe: porous. roots follow gradient.
mircea_popescu: just because you can pump the shit uphill doesn't mean you should.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: ahahaha right. let me know when you've seen geysers of shit spewing from your bathtub<<< i don't live in the fucking swamp.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: actually i can hardly think of better name than 'vuvuzela' for a usg idiocy built solely to drown out intelligent thought
mod6: ah, yeah, sorry -- following the arrows in the graph.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-12-2015#1348422 << lol. what a dumbass name, too./ ☝︎
asciilifeform: mod6: an odd way to phrase it (descendants point to ancestors, really) but yes.
mod6: so then those antecedents would point to the new vpatch (at the same node level as asciilifeform_ver_no_5_4_and_irc_is_gone_and_now_must_give_ip.vpatch) but a separate node.
asciilifeform: mod6: correct. and afaik this behaviour does not need any special cases
mod6: <+asciilifeform> it splits off from the node immediately prior to the removal << so in this scenario, the antecedents of asciilifeform_ver_no_5_4_and_irc_is_gone_and_now_must_give_ip.vpatch are [dns_thermonyukyoolar, rev-bump, static_makefile_v002, genesis ]
mircea_popescu: <punkman> mircea_popescu: was that the new phuctor box? << nah, the old qntra cluster. makes it the 2nd time in about a month wtf.
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asciilifeform: it was the only reason i had it.
mod6: for testing. etc.
asciilifeform: without having to sign them
asciilifeform: because you can throw in any patches you like, made for the occasion of the test
asciilifeform: it is handy for testing a vtron
mod6: i thought 'wild' mode is simply when no one in wot has provided a seal corresponding to a given vpatch
asciilifeform: the only kind of thing that is 'in own tree' is a patch that has no common ancestor with ~anything~ in the genesis tree
asciilifeform: i did a good bit of this
asciilifeform: also if you set your vtron to 'wild' mode you can trivially test various combos
asciilifeform: just as if i had cut out a single line of a single file, and a subsequent patch relies on that line.
mod6: i haven't quite figured out what to do about this scenario yet.
asciilifeform: it splits off from the node immediately prior to the removal
mod6: Scenario: Guy creates vpatch that utilizes irc.h (removed in vpatch asciilifeform_ver_no_5_4_and_irc_is_gone_and_now_must_give_ip.vpatch) must ensure that Guy's patch is on it's own tree?
mod6: I guess that makes sense since it wouldn't share any antecedents with the original graph.
asciilifeform: the only necessary change to make working with multiple trees convenient would be 'multi-press' where you specify more than one 'head' ☟︎
mod6: <+asciilifeform> it would end up as an altogether other tree in the graph << so said patch to add documentation dir would be its own root?
mod6: oh, i see, so like if a patch further down the line (in time) remove a file that a specific sub tree relies upon, that those become removed?
asciilifeform: it would end up as an altogether other tree in the graph
asciilifeform: say we were to have a documentation dir
asciilifeform: nah those are yet another matter
asciilifeform: but dead branches of the tree, basically
asciilifeform: perhaps orphan is not the word
asciilifeform: if the toposort is correctly written, mod6's vtron ought to do it
asciilifeform: the other thing a vtron needs to handle is orphans
asciilifeform: (a patch that uses a deleted file can be legit so long as it is not on the tree branch that contained the deletion)
asciilifeform: gotta also make sure that subsequent patches do not try to use a deleted file
asciilifeform: oughta post this on therealbitcoin.org
mod6: so the ones that it /does/ skip is when 'b' == 'false' -- where the file was ~removed~ from a given vpatch.
mod6: looks like it did what it was supposed to do.
asciilifeform: mod6: test it with my latest patch
mod6: anyway, yeah, will still test that.
mod6: and if a new file is introduced the 'a' should be 'false' and the 'b' will be some sha512 hash, and will still be verifyable. correct?
mod6: <+asciilifeform> mod6: have you tested it with 'false' entries? (files which were newly created) << this is a good test. it should just do what its supposed to do 'as is' I think? this line will grab the 'b' of the vdiff; my $file_hash = $vp_map{$vp}{$src_file_name}{b};
asciilifeform: but back to subj, meatwots consisting of idiot children tend to get rolled up within a single day
asciilifeform: roughly 'localization of failure' but is a specific tradecraft term
asciilifeform: but it made локализация провала ( mircea_popescu ! does english even have a word for this basic concept ?) difficult
thestringpuller: Meat-WoT was a thing no?
thestringpuller: I was talking pre-wot days. But sure, I understand what you are saying.
asciilifeform: and 'risk' is a weasel word when applied to a suicidally-stupid mistake such as associating with bands of idiot wotless children.
thestringpuller: The risk for crime is the gasenwagen. Raiders have always been ride or die.
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: there is not a single such 'group' in planet 3 that isn't either a) usg tendril b) full of stoolies and candidate for gasenwagen
thestringpuller: I've only heard of OS exploits being "sat on" for long periods of time.
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: well traditionally a blackhat would have a group and they would deal max damage themselves.
asciilifeform: so it would appear to me that traffic in 0day is impossible without a wot
asciilifeform: but even then impossible:
asciilifeform: now if camel fucker army had brains and used pgp and gave half a shit, one could send 0day to them and have at least the pleasure of knowing that it will be used to deal max damage. ☟︎
asciilifeform: this is the kind of bind folks end up in because it is impossible (to a first approximation) to sell 0days.
assbot: Logged on 05-07-2015 15:10:28; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-07-2015#1188163 << this is why, when dealing with a usg-powered entity, the correct procedure is not 'disclosure', which will be censored and hushed up; but - total annihilation
assbot: Logged on 06-07-2015 01:24:01; mircea_popescu: "you wanted to benefit from responsible disclosure protections, you should have been in the wot" "but at the time i made that decision it seemed a no brainer, why expend the effort" "right. this is why you die."
asciilifeform: didn't we do a 'responsible disclosure'-is-for-idiots thread ? ☟︎
punkman: good god man, why did you tell them about the second exploit