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mircea_popescu: if such a rifle could be made, the us would have made it. physics got in their way.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: picture if the selector on kalash had a 'fires backwards' position. ☟︎
BingoBoingo: Right, even a classic algo strictly Pagerank google whitelisted to the WoT still wouldn't grep with nuance
BingoBoingo: I am guessing it probably isn't http://trilema.com/2014/what-interests-me-in-a-project/
mircea_popescu: it is not written upon reality that it must endure forever, let it mind it's own fucking affairs and endure if it has the mettle ; nor was any penguin born with a certified license to eternal life. let them learn how to forge and fire cannon or let them get the fuck off the evolutionary tree.
mircea_popescu: also, if nuclear weapons ended the world in 1970 ~good for them~, and if the supercollider "ended reality" in the 2010s (as various imbeciles proposed as a valid reason "not to do it" all over the oh-so-useful-and-valuable "science press"), GOOD FOR IT.
mircea_popescu: now, it's evident where this misrepresentation of intellectual process comes from -- the inept notion of caregivers kid should be "responsible". kid shouldn't be nor is responsible in that sense ; if one of my girls sets the house on fire through unforeseen effect of reasonable application of item, she may feel guilty as a residual side effect of the sexual abuse her parents and broader society put her through, but she won't
mircea_popescu: and the issue repeats with questions, "i don't know what question to ask such that the response puts me in full control of everything" is not a valid mapping for "i don't know what questions to ask". you've seen me n times ask questions ~about the thing~, ie, to allow the thing to be illuminated, irrespective of whether they "help" me to anything. cuz i don't care about myself ~in this sense~. i care about myself in the other
mircea_popescu: by forcing an answer to a question you're not in a position to answer ("is this useful y/n") you end up baking incorrectness into your tree, which then can be relied on by further incorrectness coming down the line for support.
a111: Logged on 2017-12-29 21:30 mircea_popescu: here's a problem i perceive phf : you could guess about log(n) of my understanding of various things that interest me on the basis of reading trilema ; i could not guess epsilon of thge say your understanding of sbcl on the basis of reading whatever you provide voluntarily. i could glean it from this kind of interaction, but here's what that means : http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-29#1760839
mircea_popescu: -the-importance-of-blogging/ or http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-29#1760915 or otherwise in the log. "how can you predict what will be useful TO YOURSELF in a few years ? let alone to others, today or later ?" ☝︎
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-11#1796242 << this is a problem of how you phrase your questions. see, the fundamental, and apparently enduring, cockroach here is that you have an "in-control" mental model you won't diverge from, and it is disabling for your mental process in the following way : you judge "you can't contribute" arbitrarily, and damagingly, in the exact sense contemplated in http://trilema.com/2014/a-conceit-or ☝︎☟︎
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-11#1796224 << a, really ? well best of luck to you then! ☝︎
asciilifeform: meanwhile, hell froze over, a ban on microshit being seriously floated in ru parliament
a111: Logged on 2018-04-11 10:07 spyked: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-11#1796067 <-- grrr, I lack too many includes to engage in a proper discussion on this. and sifting through the papers puts me into a rabbit hole of deeper and deeper includes and, frustratingly, unresolved medicine tactics. and I've wandered through such rabbit holes for the last 4 years.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-11#1796216 << the whole thing is phrased as "asking questions". one can never be in a rabbit hole so deep they can't ask questions. it's not your job to make any determination, so why stress. ☝︎☟︎
mircea_popescu: the problem for them is that i now have a pill for that, and http://trilema.com/2014/georg-ritter-von-flondor-and-what-his-unhappy-life-can-teach-us/ ie, not taking any fucking prisoners nor negotiating with idiots. so...
mircea_popescu: moreover, the "hashrate" bullshit, besides being false, is also specifically engineered to follow a certain hope of imperial survival, the supposed "network effect", ie http://trilema.com/2013/digging-through-archives-yields-gold/#selection-109.0-113.830
a111: Logged on 2018-04-11 08:11 avgjoe: Basically segwit it could be reprhased as the "i'm a good politician that will enforce the ---good--- policy but to enforce this i'll need to take some of your sovereignty (keys), but bear with me, hashrate is gonna protect you"
asciilifeform: spyked: this is where the empire shines, really -- they can always muster the brute ox power to make a 'this at least exists' ersatz.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-11#1796220 << that's because... it IS salad. with a perfume of 'proofiness' sprayed on , as described in e.g. http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1390 re urbitists ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-04-11 10:14 spyked: anyway, I'd be happy to read a version of http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-11#1796038 (or better yet, a blog post/series) that explicitly references or otherwise explains all the priors and provides an actual proof, not just "we model this in tamarin, gtfo, install it and read the proof it generates". I want to be able to find out precisely what "symbolic reasoning/analysis" means in their universe, wtf is a "message deduction theory"
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-11#1796218 << if the usg claptrap scaffolding were removed, the whole thing would vanish, like a toy balloon with skin peeled away. there'd be no 'product'. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-04-11 10:07 spyked: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-11#1796067 <-- grrr, I lack too many includes to engage in a proper discussion on this. and sifting through the papers puts me into a rabbit hole of deeper and deeper includes and, frustratingly, unresolved medicine tactics. and I've wandered through such rabbit holes for the last 4 years.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-11#1796216 << that's because the 'field' is a rat's nest of deliberate, obscurantist claptrap. 'there is no there, there.' can burn considerably more than 4y, it is a bottomless pit -- a kind of mechanized astrology. ☝︎
mod6: Thanks for your patience with me this past year, #trilema. It's been a long one.
a111: Logged on 2018-04-10 19:00 lobbes: I attempted to slap a gribble instance up on pizarro shell last night, but hit a roadblock trying to get 'tcl' working locally (sqlite3 makefile, which gribble depends on, will not run without tcl apparently)
shinohai: mentioned here: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-10#1795655). But if that, and things like http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-10#1795655 are throwing you for such a loop, I don't imagine my plugins will help you at all. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-04-11 06:07 lobbes: ^ que pasa contigo, shinohai? There's a way to step back gracefully that would preserve your solid reputation, but abandoning your post ain't that way.
spyked: anyway, I'd be happy to read a version of http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-11#1796038 (or better yet, a blog post/series) that explicitly references or otherwise explains all the priors and provides an actual proof, not just "we model this in tamarin, gtfo, install it and read the proof it generates". I want to be able to find out precisely what "symbolic reasoning/analysis" means in their universe, wtf is a "message deduction theory" ☝︎☟︎
spyked: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-11#1796067 <-- grrr, I lack too many includes to engage in a proper discussion on this. and sifting through the papers puts me into a rabbit hole of deeper and deeper includes and, frustratingly, unresolved medicine tactics. and I've wandered through such rabbit holes for the last 4 years. ☝︎☟︎☟︎
avgjoe: Basically segwit it could be reprhased as the "i'm a good politician that will enforce the ---good--- policy but to enforce this i'll need to take some of your sovereignty (keys), but bear with me, hashrate is gonna protect you" ☟︎
avgjoe: About this message i've a concern: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-11#1697118 ☝︎
mircea_popescu: running trb offers a firm guarantee that you will have your coins perpetually. running the various usg-sponsored "i can't believe it's not bitcoin" margerine offers a firm guarantee that a) any time you spend with them will be wasted on a long enough timeline and b) any resources you spend with them will be worthless on a long enough timeline. so bear that in mind.
mircea_popescu: avgjoe there already is a double standard : 1address bitcoin are bitcoin ; everything else is usg-crap.
mircea_popescu: anyway, there's a lot for you to read wrt to why specifically segwit is a usg-driven attack against bitcoin, and not supported by the bitcoin foundation. perhaps the recent http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-11#1795944 is a good starting point ; but generally the logs are your friends, search them. ☝︎
avgjoe: so there will never be a double standard with "tier 1 bitcoins" stored in legacy addresses and tier 2 stored in bech addresses, correct?
avgjoe: i suppose that is a noob question, but if someone send me btc from a bech32 address to my trb legacy address, does the node ignore the tx?
mircea_popescu: a cool. trouble with it ?
kittycollector: Thx, give me a minute
lobbes: ^ que pasa contigo, shinohai? There's a way to step back gracefully that would preserve your solid reputation, but abandoning your post ain't that way. ☟︎
lobbes: I certainly wasn't planning on it being a long-term solution, but I see what you mean. Plus, if I'm burning time anyways on this I may as well just learn some lisp and use the trinquebot. Have an actual republican item out of the effort rather than another pile of stapled dildos >> http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-11#1796013 ☝︎
mircea_popescu: the anything is not a correct symbol. it's an approximation, and it only holds up in domains of little interest.
asciilifeform: ckang: a correct program stays correct after million yrs of 'research' by butthurt usg. an incorrect one -- is incorrect immediately, even if no one 'researched'
mircea_popescu: ckang why do you expect the usercount makes a difference ?
ckang: which is also a blessing because the government probably hasn't researched how to break it either
ckang: if you are a security researcher would your time be better spent on something that 1 person uses or 100million people use?
asciilifeform: ckang: this is a fundamentally african approach.
mircea_popescu: le to claim, "we don't know how," since WireGuard makes it so easy. So, they hired me for a day to develop and open source a small solution for their unique use case and odd scenario." for lulz.
mircea_popescu: "It turns out that this strength might actually be a weakness for some. A small commercial VPN provider approached me recently about the fact they could see the allowed IPs mapping easily with WireGuard, whereas with OpenVPN it was hidden deep inside a process they didn't know how to debug. "Great," I thought. Not so fast. They were concerned that when compelled to retrieve this kind of information, they would no longer be ab
ckang: but rather a concern people had
ckang: its not a 'flaw'
asciilifeform: def of 'working' in re a ciphrator, is tricky question
ckang: yea but its nice to see in a working product that i can use now
ckang: which takes a bit of time on openvpn
ckang: you dont need a continuous connection
ckang: for mobile applications this stuff makes a lot more sense
asciilifeform: ckang: disinformation is not always a set of empty words; often can be a working mechanism, with moving parts, superficially correct
mircea_popescu: there's a process we go through here, first the engineers throw a fit, then i pick up the pieces.
a111: Logged on 2018-04-11 04:19 mircea_popescu: i guess. on a superficial look it's certainly better than whatever tls bs.
mircea_popescu: and do me a favour -- not in this lambasting tone! ☟︎
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i know, but prepare a list of q's for when/if the guy shows up.
ckang: can you summarize that down to: 'it sucks' 'indifferent' 'has a future' ;)
a111: Logged on 2018-04-11 04:12 ckang: this is what got me interested, can push a ton more data and with less latency on the same hardware vs. openvpn
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-11#1796043 << i read. it's a hannoboeckization of gossipd. ☝︎
ckang: sure thing yea, didn't think to check if they had a channel before
mircea_popescu: i guess. on a superficial look it's certainly better than whatever tls bs. ☟︎
ckang: the project has a lot of potential, its just not well known so providers arent selling it to the general masses
ckang: by quite a bit
ckang: this is what got me interested, can push a ton more data and with less latency on the same hardware vs. openvpn ☟︎
ckang: that stuff to a layman like myself goes right over my head ;)
ckang: ive pushed 2TB though a tunnel before i rebooted the router for updates
mircea_popescu: o look, there's even a #wireguard
ckang: its pretty interesting though if you need such a thing
mircea_popescu: consequently, as a broad field, it doesn't hold much interest here.
ckang: the pdf goes a lot deeper but there some info on the site
mircea_popescu: (which goes back to a long held asciilifeform notion, of "mining is a bug" -- certainly, but looky here : mining is also the direct result of "i want a shunt for the bruteforce, so i can say to people, "x is cheaper therefore y won't happen")
mircea_popescu: ckang for an ad-hoc illustration : admitting that you own sunway taihulight (the chinese supercomputer discussed in http://trilema.com/2017/resplenduminous/ ), which does something like 9.3 * 10^16 flops ; and admitting you take 1 flop to generate a key (it's more like 150-200 irl, but w/e) and 0 time to check for its correctness, then you could expect a correct guess about once every 51948826585749897379957793229925273575140
mircea_popescu: but, for the expert minds tuned in : ckang 's question does not, as we currently stand, have a published canonical answer i can link him to. if you write it, i will link it next time someone asks.
mircea_popescu: admitting the merkle-damgard construction (what ripemd is built out of, see http://homes.esat.kuleuven.be/~bosselae/ripemd160.html ) does not have a backdoor, and that sha256 doesn't have a backdoor, you are looking at something like 256 bits of entropy involved.
ckang: sounds like a good research paper for some mathematics major ;)
mircea_popescu: the proper formula is : address = ripemd160(sha256(secret)). to go from an address to its corresponding private key (which is what "bruteforce" requires in this context) you'd have to reverse a ripemd160 and a sha256 op.
ckang: i didnd even know base58 was a thing
asciilifeform: 1 caveat re 'brute force needs machine the size of 10^bignum universes running for 10^biggernum yrs' is that it presumes a flat keyspace. whereas if instead you can exclude large chunks ( because, e.g., winblowz rng is known to never output'em , or some other likewise ) ...
mircea_popescu: ckang here's the basic likbez : a bitcoin address (which is what keeps funds) is built out of a chaining of crypto functions : https://en.bitcoin.it/w/images/en/thumb/4/48/Address_map.jpg/700px-Address_map.jpg
ckang: like you can fit X somethings in a Y
ckang: just thought it would be a fun read
ckang: yea thats why i was just wondering if anyone has done a paper about it ;)
a111: Logged on 2018-04-03 18:39 mircea_popescu: lobbes the only important consideration here is that design is not a haphazard activity driven by occurence and circumstance. that's implementation. design is a deductive activity, it proceeds from first principles and does not break faith.
a111: Logged on 2018-04-11 01:20 lobbes: speed of implementation really (I got other tmsr irons in fire). I figured I could get a tickerbot up and running quicker just using a gribble instance >> http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-10#1795728
mircea_popescu: ckang the timescale involved in bruteforcing a bitcoin address exceeds the computable capacity of an alternate universe in which every single atom extant would be part of an ideal processor working at it.
mircea_popescu: but no, you're not going to bruteforce a key.
mircea_popescu: ckang the idea isn't you bruteforce it, the idea is that in between world A, where 100 people living have 1 btc each, and world A', where 99 people living and 1 person dead have 1 bitcoin each, is that the apparent value of the bitcoin will be 101% in A` vs A.
mircea_popescu: technically bitcoin you can't take to grave either, the passive result of dead keys is a slight increase in the value of circulating bitcoin.
mircea_popescu: it's a xtian thing, "gospel by matthew". here : https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+6%3A19-34&version=NIV
mircea_popescu: quite a lulzy implementation of the whole "do not build yourself perishable treasures" meme.
mircea_popescu: consider a simple example : you get divorced. or arrested. or "suspected" of "crime". what's the real estate you "owned" worth now ?
mircea_popescu: ckang amusingly, selling us based real estate on the market and buying bitcoin at 20k is not actually a bad deal. even with bitcoin at 7k now.
mircea_popescu: did they manage to get a budget yet ?
mircea_popescu: hey, i moved enough paper money into argentina to ruin its government a few years ago. they can worry until they fucking fall over for all the good it's gonna do them.