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ben_vulpes: anyways, the point remains. mircea_popescu did not select 0.5.3 as the root fork point.
pete_dushenski: 1.25 years of development of trb is equivalent to multiples of that in row
pete_dushenski: bitcoin compresses time.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: i think pete_dushenski was trying to write a history of trb ?
pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: you know what version was actually released by the phoundation in june 2012, your requested vintage ? 0.6.3
asciilifeform: it is the ~only~ remaining working cross-platform native-widget graphic lib for cpp.
asciilifeform: 'Qt uses C++ with signals and slotsxiv to provide a cross-platform application framework for, essentially, illiterate amateurs.' << unfortunately this is not so
pete_dushenski unwraps present, finds that, indeed, sunstein is the rattle he heard in the box
ben_vulpes: and yet somehow trb forked from 0.5.3
assbot: Logged on 25-12-2015 21:13:38; ben_vulpes: http://www.politico.com/agenda/story/2015/10/obamas-effort-to-nudge-america-000276 << in which the department of statistics completely forgets about the challenges of untangling correlation from causation
pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-12-2015#1353165 << without reading it, lemme go out on a limb and hazard a guess that 'nudge tsar' cass sunstein is somehow involved. ☝︎
asciilifeform: now with 4x the disk at 2x the speed.
assbot: Logged on 13-02-2014 03:43:52; mircea_popescu: the resultant mess is unusable past about 0.6.x or thereabouts, for these reasons.
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform ben_vulpes et al. i also found an even ~earlier~ mention by mircea_popescu of the "0.6.x is the last useable version" line in the sand : http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-02-2014#499837 ☝︎
pete_dushenski: ;;later tell mod6 my pleasure and thanks for the correction. i was confusing december 19th entries, it seems. i've updated that section of the trb timeline accordingly.
asciilifeform: because haven't thrown it out yet ?
asciilifeform: e.g. a '90s xerox of the complete works of trofim denisovich lysenko.
asciilifeform: there's mebbe half a tonne of horror show in 3-rings just in this room
mircea_popescu: http://itsnotokokcupid.tumblr.com/post/29832079161/i-just-hope-my-fetish-with-cheese-does-not-disturb << this goes straight to BingoBoingo
asciilifeform: http://thewhet.net/2015/what-is-a-supermarket << somehow i missed this
BingoBoingo going to have to try translating asciilifeform's AWS block rules to pf
thestringpuller: 'in the dark, all cats are black' (tm) (r) << or as the negros sometime say. All pussy feels the same with the lights out. ☟︎
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> doing this will keep the turd nodez out of the addr.db << Apparently 21.co is too good for aws <asciilifeform> doing this will keep the turd nodez out of the addr.db
asciilifeform: and, apparently, through chinese 320x200 cam also..
asciilifeform: 'in the dark, all cats are black' (tm) (r)
mircea_popescu: there's a sack fulla kittens out there.
mircea_popescu: not all kittens are the same kitten alfie!
asciilifeform: and does that count as a legible string ?
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> ;;later tell BingoBoingo is anybody gonna qntra the juniper crud ? << If they want to. I dunno if I can do it justice.
asciilifeform: isolate the idiots, when they do the kindness of making this so convenient.
asciilifeform: doing this will keep the turd nodez out of the addr.db
mircea_popescu: hey, some people gotta get married for that.
thestringpuller: I attempted to create an insane robot, and I succeeded.
mircea_popescu: honestly, you're better off getting a decent server you actually control for your node than getting a bunch of aws/such crap
thestringpuller: well the "working" one.
thestringpuller: well i guess I'm moving my nodes to google cloud
asciilifeform: but we aren't there yet.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: the correct 'non-enumerative badness' expression is, ultimately, 'don't give cpu cycles out to all-comers'
thestringpuller: didn't that kid end up getting shot/stabbed in the bathroom?
mircea_popescu: or as that kid aptly said (in american history X), "on the internet, YOU'RE the nigger."
mircea_popescu: time to turn the tables on the golum.
mircea_popescu: a lot more of this "oh, you're on aws ? well... you can't do X" stuff is sorely needed.
asciilifeform: when rackspace starts handing out vm to reddit k00l d00dz for a penny/hour, i'll ban it.
mircea_popescu: i actually support throwing a spoke or three in the expectation of jwz that "struff works"
ben_vulpes: notrly the latter.
asciilifeform: on account of the 'easy & cheap'
asciilifeform: presently it is the most pestilential variety of rubbish
mircea_popescu: no, he just proposes to whack some more obvious ones.
ben_vulpes: and you propose to identify all such virtualized nodes somehow?
asciilifeform: this plus the fact that there is no meaningful collateral damage
thestringpuller: why all the hate on AWS?
mircea_popescu: no, just, everyone in norway's got their ac on so the power grid goes out.
thestringpuller: is the ddos machine on or something?
shinohai: She left. Free tits!
okcupidslut: ahah, give me some minutes then.
mircea_popescu: how did that line go... #bitcoin-assets is about truth not necessarily beauty.
mircea_popescu: the problem with headless pics is that well... they'll just get reused later by $randomscammer$
okcupidslut: ehh, but my face looks like it got hit by a car atm. Aint nothing pretty about that.
mircea_popescu: the problem is you dun seem to have a head ?
asciilifeform: what is this headless chimera.
mircea_popescu: ahahaha that's some rearview mirror work okcupidslut
assbot: I'll pay for your tits on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1MQMd6w )
asciilifeform: can't wait for the politruks !
asciilifeform: er, more effectively, and more reliably. (See page 24 for more information on the IC Information Technology Enterprise, otherwise known as ``IC ITE.'') Robust counterintelligence data and analytic tools to monitor, analyze, and audit personnel behavior will be critical to this endeavor.'
asciilifeform: 'The Committee supports substantially enhancing and expediting efforts to deter the insider threat and believes doing so will require an integrated counterintelligence and security apparatus that spans the IC and the U.S. Government. Additionally, the Committee believes the IC's information technology modernization effort--the IC Information Technology Enterprise--must provide the infrastructure to detect insider threats earli
asciilifeform: ;;later tell BingoBoingo is anybody gonna qntra the juniper crud ?
mircea_popescu: "fire lizzie, too many holes"
mircea_popescu: some telex machines were distinctive enough that after years one could really tell wtf the message says from across the room
assbot: Cheshire's Introduction to Telex ... ( http://bit.ly/22s8KPE )
mircea_popescu: honestly, in my mind i realise now, gpg --clearisng has taken over a hole left by telex.
asciilifeform: in fact, whole point of 'p' originally in my head was so that mircea_popescu could have these.
asciilifeform looks forward to using mircea_popescu's p-block for telex clearsigs.
mircea_popescu: i lived just fine with telex.
mircea_popescu: to put it sanely-er : i'm more than happy to redefine "ascii" for clearsign to include a subset of ascii
asciilifeform: unless they have a different character set on mars, also called ascii, where - is not 45
asciilifeform: either the start/end marker (as in traditional gpg) or length offset marker (as somebody suggested here)
asciilifeform: well, it'd necessarily have to be more narrow than ascii
asciilifeform: incl. the nonprintable ones.
asciilifeform: because if you want to avoid 'malleability', now you have to actually use a tool that shows you the bytes.
mircea_popescu: so this entire "unix terminal is retarded" thing isn't as much of a concern
asciilifeform: at which point the supposed advantage of the 'plainness' is nowhere to be found
mircea_popescu: note however that you can't rely on me reading the "clearsigned" thing with any particular mechanism.
asciilifeform: granted, hex editor will show you immediately why. but the 'plain text is readable without tools' illusion is - just that
asciilifeform: in the same spirit, have another!:
mircea_popescu: and you want me to read more tar ?
mircea_popescu: this is what programming is. fucking tarpit.
mircea_popescu: more importantly, anyone bored can kill themselves figuring out why the fuck i have to do two passes of sed interspersed with a grep to get the dumbass thing to work as intended.
mircea_popescu: oook, anyone wanna guess what this does :
asciilifeform: this whole discussion, every time we have it, really mirrors in my mind the debates i've had with greyhaired non-programming folk who insisted on 'one day we will program in NATURAL LANGUAGE!11111'
asciilifeform: or how to process it consistently
asciilifeform: and we still don't have agreement - yes, even among unixlines - how to actually display 'plain text'
asciilifeform: you still need a computer to read 'plain ascii'
asciilifeform: and i still insist that the 'clearness' of 'clearsign' is a jwzism. NO YOU CAN'T actually read the payload 'without tools'. yes, you can put it to a line printer, and get a human-readable page. BUT it will not be WHAT YOU SIGNED! not bitwise, and not mandatorily, and therefore not at all.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: part of the appeal of running a 'pastebin' ~is~ the crud dropped in by the mob. for instance, there is a long tradition of dropping 0days and leaked misc crud on pastebin. ☟︎
asciilifeform: because, again, the whole 'plain text' jwzism and the attendant retardation. somehow 'lines' are a thing. ☟︎
asciilifeform: and what's more, afaik you cannot get around this in gnu sed.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: sed -n '/\/start\//,/\/end\//p' will work, but it prints crud prior to start or after end ~if on same line~
ben_vulpes: trinque suggested not-trivially-enumerable endpoints for wotmembers, eg engage in a brief gpggram session one time, yields a wotpaste/my-difficult-to-enumerate-endpoint place for individuals to post textwads to
ben_vulpes: i am just looking for a sane balance between toilet for the mob and useful tool for the wot.
asciilifeform: or sign every scrap of paper i put in the shredder