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mircea_popescu: (and i'll point out that the eulora movement away from prices-because-prices to prices-for-these-reasons that's been evident in the coupla years past is very much of this exact same substance. a rational universe, plox, had enough of the emotional one.)
danielpbarron: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/XsZ36/?raw=true << email sent to me from keybase says i should remove PGP from my profile
mircea_popescu: i don't know ; and i'd like to know ; but i'd rather not guess, which is the entire point of even having a wot in the first place, take the guessing out of society, bring reason back among people.
mircea_popescu: what is behind comments like http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-16#1814037, "I moved more recently than this fellow and I'll get my id after he does" ? "I don't, properly speaking, think bb is a person, at least not in the same sense / to the same degree I am" ? ☝︎
mircea_popescu: speaking of which, ben_vulpes, it occurs to me that in the hubub yesterday you omitted to explain the reasoning behind the various items. i guess it's maybe not evident, but the semantic content of "i dunno how you're working all this out in your skull" is "please explain how you're thinking".
mircea_popescu: anyway, i'm not proposing x.1 as a counterargument of y.2, they're separate trees, and separate trees are reconciled at the roots by a manager.
mircea_popescu: i doubt this is true ; it may be, but it may also be it went extinct in heathendom for the reason food went extinct -- too lazy, and "better, moar technological" alternatives.
asciilifeform: ( replaced with 'i can't believe it's not server' vpsolade )
a111: Logged on 2018-05-17 06:25 mircea_popescu: mod6, anyway, to answer some angle of the question asked, rather than "the question read between the lines" -- pizarro wirh 8 something btc in cash whatever it is does not specifically require more cash to confront a 1.x expenditure and some months of .5 each overhead or w/e it is. the fact that you two are committed to further putting money in as need may be is utterly sufficient, as far as i can discern. ymmv, but you asked.
asciilifeform: a good % of http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-17#1814646 i suspect comes from elementary info overload. ☝︎☟︎
a111: Logged on 2018-05-17 05:53 mod6: Hm? I think that's what we're just trying to figure out.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-17#1814642 << i suspect that mod6 & ben_vulpes would profit from installing... chalkboards ( can be whiteboard etc ) like asciilifeform ended up with ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-05-17 05:51 ben_vulpes: unrelatedly, BingoBoingo asked for documentation on the UY1 shared hosting setup, and automation for same so i put this together: http://pizarroisp.net/newaccounts.txt asciilifeform mod6 pls to eyeball
a111: Logged on 2018-05-16 16:07 mircea_popescu: oh ? hm. i thought that was ave1 lol.
spyked: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-16#1814442 <-- sorry for the confusion, this was miscommunication on my part. I took a look at http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-11#1812181 , then one thing led to another and I ended up doing shithub key harvesting. still on track for new rss bot though. ☝︎☝︎
ave1: i thought that one was a copy paste, but my dyslexia played up again
ave1: As to this: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-16#1814283. This is all a matter of the specsfile apparently. Now I can do a dumpspec and sed script to make it always do statics, or I can change the source-code that has references to shared/static dispersed over C and H file in the gcc/config/ directory. This will take some time to get right (if the first approach works then I know what to do for the second). This will take some days ☝︎
ben_vulpes: anyways, keep highlighting where you think i'm dropping the ball and i'll work to not.
ben_vulpes: and yeah, it's school. we don't have those where i come from, so i have a lot of work to do.
ben_vulpes: i don't come here to not be disliked, i come and work because it's challenging, the people here make me think and work hard and don't soft-pedal critiques, and because there's no other ideological island out there that wouldn't be exile after the past four years.
ben_vulpes: look my greatest reservation in even taking this gig was that i've not really the know-how, and would be performing poorly in public the whole while. the much-maligned "learning on the job", not that i want in the slightest to 'fake it till i make it'. that by trying, i was more likely to get drummed out of the whole party for not doing a good job. and that's a cost i'm willing pay, i guess, if it builds the
mod6: I better get some zzzs. We can pick it back up tomorrow.
mircea_popescu: mod6, anyway, to answer some angle of the question asked, rather than "the question read between the lines" -- pizarro wirh 8 something btc in cash whatever it is does not specifically require more cash to confront a 1.x expenditure and some months of .5 each overhead or w/e it is. the fact that you two are committed to further putting money in as need may be is utterly sufficient, as far as i can discern. ymmv, but you asked. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes, it's not that i dislike you or anything ; but you gotta understand there's two views to any phenomena, id est subjective and objective. from the objective view you look bad. it's not the end of the world, but rather a very valuable signal.
mod6: I think ben_vulpes is doing a very good job with all that he has coming at him, BingoBoingo and asciilifeform too. I don't want to replace anyone. Time is a luxury that we don't have. However, for a moment, if we step back and look at what we've accomplished so far, I think it's something to be proud of.
mod6: We gotta get that going, mircea_popescu worries for us. I know he wants to see this succeed.
mod6: If I may, I think there's always room for improvement, and such critiques are good, help us to get better.
ben_vulpes: i'm listening to your critiques and working to address them directly. if i'm such a drag, mod6 and asciilifeform should probably replace me
ben_vulpes: selling themselves more equity or not, i'm going to bring up paying BingoBoingo more since that's a pretty important point.
ben_vulpes: seems pretty obvious to me that i'm barely keeping my nose above water with just the mechanics of pushing this along. mod6 wants to talk about putting more money in, that's his perogative. i'm assuaging BingoBoingo on bus factor of maintaining the shared server tonight and trying to make sense of the web hosting forums to filter them per yesterday's chat. once mod6 and asciilifeform make a decision about
mircea_popescu: i dunno how you're working all this out in your skull, but so far you're being a liability rather than an asset. why isn't this obvious ?
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes, let me tell you some things. a while ago you got these doods into a miserable situation they don't know how to extract themselves from, by ending up with 10x the warrants bingoboingo got. last i checked the dood actually moved down there.
mod6: ah, yeah. Just trying to sort out the finer points I believe.
mod6: Hm? I think that's what we're just trying to figure out. ☟︎
ben_vulpes: unrelatedly, BingoBoingo asked for documentation on the UY1 shared hosting setup, and automation for same so i put this together: http://pizarroisp.net/newaccounts.txt asciilifeform mod6 pls to eyeball ☟︎
mod6: If my scenario, or anything is not clear, just say, will try to formalize better. I think it may be more agreeable if asciilifeform and mod6 hold the same mount of stock. Alternatively, both of us could just take convertable bonds.
ben_vulpes: i don't have a clear picture of how pricing these would work either. part of my concern with bonds is that for a largely fiat denominated operation, interest on a btc loan can murder you if the fiat/btc rate goes up significantly, and fiat incomes stay the same.
ben_vulpes: i'd prefer to have a bond mechanism in place.
mod6: For instance, let us use a scenario such as: asciilifeform puts in X BTC, mod6 matches alf's X BTC (where X <= 5), can this be created as stock then? In this scenario 500`000 shares would be assigned to alf & mod6 alike. In the circumstance I would put in (10 - X) more BTC, this could be assigned to me as "convertable bonds". I've been revisiting our conversation from a while back on the Pricing of Capita
mircea_popescu: aaanyway. we burned some sort of local cedar or something, i have nfi what it is, but i smelled delicious in the shower. and there's someone sniffing my shirt from the laundry basket.
mircea_popescu: had i seen the channel first though....
mircea_popescu: but now i'm thinking MAYBE A NEFARIOUS UNDERSTORY!
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes, holy shit, so i was on the beach where we ran into this very bubbly florida chick there for "a women's empowerment seminar", which i thought was bizarre.
mircea_popescu: i have nfi how she figured that out, but i suppose i actually do huh.
asciilifeform: ( the other change, is not interesting to anyone but asciilifeform , but i will put it on the record : the thing has a 'json' api nao )
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: ty. I'll plan to get on the bus Friday. In the interim if you could send keepalive/IRunhappy packets to AES/DHL, just to see if the package could appear without getting on the tin can of misery it would be appreciated.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: And are there reciepts or anything beyond the tracking page and demand letter? These people are big on invoices and I lack one.
BingoBoingo: Not yet, I'm not thrilled with the prospect of a 3-4 hour minimum airport adventure trying to argue the finer points of a pre-paid customs program I am unfamiliar with. Have you tried twisting the nipple of the prepaid customs folks yet? Escalating the DHL thing?
BingoBoingo: I have heard nothing. Did you simply mail them the scan, or did you accompany it with: With respect to [tracking number] here is the requested document. Considering [whatever prepaid customs program, and Amazon order #], I am confused as to why this parcel has not been delivered.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: and yes i mailed'em your photo, as you asked, 0 reply
mircea_popescu: and i bet you they're still pompously going about buenos aires, buying socks on credit and acting like renting their hovels is anything but an act of grace such that you get the wife/daugthers every night you feel like.
BingoBoingo: It's a hell of a spread, but this is the lowest I've seen the Argentine peso in my time here. Compra/Venta on the USD is 30/31 so the Pesos Uruguayo has dropped a bit too, but WTF Argentina
mircea_popescu: just like i'd rather pay bitcoin tx fees than other chrap. jesus christ.
mircea_popescu: jurov, yes, wires are not free. i'd rather pay that 50 than almost any other 50 though.
jurov: before bitcoin, i was paid from australia by wires and it was deplorable, ~50 euro fees unpredictable every time
jurov: and ofc, NO ONE i know of got any answer "why" frm paypl
jurov: transferwise was better than paypal as they don't hold funds, they send each wire directly to my bank. if i used paypal, they have no problem to seize whole account.
mircea_popescu: well, fwis "something happened i can't be arsed to debug". which is a perfectly fine and even somewhat common failure mode.
asciilifeform: i mean, out of context, it reads quite oddly, '... and then i was excommunicated' 'but were you even in the church' 'no' '???'
jurov: i don't care.
mircea_popescu: i dunno specifically, but you follow the trail, in general.
jurov: how would i obtain such information, pls?
asciilifeform: i was about to ask
diana_coman: asciilifeform, aha, I know; my point was: we need to have this tested and ironed out and we are golden
jurov: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-16#1813874 << i was somewhat successful on localbitcoins, until (presumably, noone said me details) they started to wire me stolen money. ☝︎☟︎☟︎
diana_coman: ah, free bla bla; no, I meant with the output of ave1's script (even if at the very root one used adacore's, once upon a time, fine); basically what I was trying to do yesterday on rockchip
asciilifeform: i assume 'non-adacore' implied the former ?
asciilifeform: diana_coman: i.e. with fsf's gnat ?
diana_coman: I'd really like to have a clear and tested way to bootstrap with non-adacore gnat though
a111: Logged on 2018-05-16 15:13 mircea_popescu , incidentally, is a huge persian poetry fan. i mean the pre rinascimento stuff.
BingoBoingo: Going on six weeks without a sighting. I was worried the Irish would reinfest the place, but that worry hasn't been realized
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i dun do flea pits. ( might stay extra day or two at own expense, in proper room, as time permits )
a111: Logged on 2018-05-16 13:32 asciilifeform: and re time on site : i can't picture needing more than 3 days : 1 to sleep ( asciilifeform can't sleep on planes ) ; 1 to install fg and emplace the boxen into the rack ; 1 for overflow .
mod6: I'll check back, bbs: meat.
mod6: ben_vulpes: but overall, I agree, sooner is better than later.
mod6: Any, regardless of other struggles, I'm rather flexible!
mod6: I guess, it may all be moot if we can't easily convert the BTC->USD to pay ze bills.
mod6: I think we could maybe get it done by end of May. However, we have two other things that need primary focus (others may disagree) at the moment. We need to pay bills, and we need BTC->USD interface.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform mod6: y'all have a timeline for this second round or are we going to leave it at "when necessary"? i prefer to capture commitments shortly after their made (none of this private equity "you commit twenty million today, we ask for it in three years and returns are evaluated on time from wire clearing to divestment date" silliness), and moreover having and not needing trumps needing and having to
a111: Logged on 2018-05-01 16:25 phf: aight, i'm going to be out of commission until mid may. i have comments for eulora that i need to type up (i got to sit down with a printout out over this weekend), i'm not sure about the amount of work required for the grapher until i have time to sit down and read v.pl (i sort of have an idea of how to implement it as part of vtools, but i'm not sure if the slicing is adequate), until i do i don't have a clear idea of how long it's going to take. i m
mod6: mod6 can make up the difference if required (I believe).
mod6: I'm fine to do another round of at least 5 (maybe more) -- but I was under the impression that asciilifeform was sort-of nearly btc-tapped out. But I didn't want to presume anything.
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> or does mod6 do 20 you do 5 and you're ballooned out ? :D << This is a possibility. Although, I'm not sure I want to outlay that much at the moment.
asciilifeform: ( i dun insist that other folx 'keep in the pants' )
mod6: asciilifeform: how do you feel about such a proposition? If I add in another, say 5 or 10 BTC, does this present any problems in your mind?
mod6: I think I'm fine to personally add in another 5 BTC at least, maybe 10 BTC. But depends on discussions, etc.
a111: Logged on 2018-05-16 14:42 asciilifeform: ( retaining some knob for dynamic linkage isn't totally useless, it enables such things as valgrind ; but i'm quite prepared to lose valgrind, it is not really so necessary when writing asciilifeform-style -- heapless -- ada )
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-16#1814305 << i was thinking, valgrind is more of a "let's see what the githubheads did here" tool than a "i wonder if i can write code" tool. ☝︎
mod6: <+asciilifeform> mircea_popescu: i'm not opposed to 2nd round, and would participate, iirc ben_vulpes & mod6 are weighing the numberz even as we speak. << yeah, we've been talking about this, indeed.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, oh turns out i was confused, it is github he's doing.
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> mod6, you see holes in ye logic ? << Sounds good. I think that s.nsa building the chassis then we do it as stated is fine. (unless I misunderstand). Pizarro will pay for these in cash. I agree too on staying away from the equity buys as well.
mircea_popescu: oh ? hm. i thought that was ave1 lol. ☟︎
a111: Logged on 2018-05-16 13:35 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-16#1814192 << definitely not 28. unless a separate fg-less unit is built, then can hold 32 . and yes i have a cad drawing in progress, so as to work like men rather than monkeys in africa
mircea_popescu: hey, other then the times i get pissed off it's a pleasure.
asciilifeform: btw i dunno if i ever did, but would like to thank mircea_popescu for teaching to asciilifeform , slowly and painfully and for phree, his craft ( organizational, commercial ) .
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i'm not opposed to 2nd round, and would participate, iirc ben_vulpes & mod6 are weighing the numberz even as we speak.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i have nothing against 's.nsa owns 10%' scenario, early in the game it was a much-needed breathing room for pizarro. but would like to avoid the situation of the well-known children's physics demo, with the two connected balloons.
mircea_popescu: i dunno why i assumed that's the case, but good you said something, as it'd never have occured to me to ask, either.
asciilifeform: i try to at least sometimes think n-moves ahead..
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, im not gonna let them. i had no idea you didn't think it's the most excellent the idea. now that i do, hey.