asciilifeform: incidentally i built an' tested with ave1's gnat, a+++ worx.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: lemme know if you think of further 'why did he do that'-s.
asciilifeform: incidentally, my lib can be asmed just as readily as ave1 asmed the classical 'all of tcp stack' glue. ( sadly i dun currently have the free hands to do this )
asciilifeform: but yes, you wont get anyffing more detailed than in which unixism was the eggog ( strace will give it to you tho ). idea being. udp does not ever eggog during everyday operation on a correctly configged box
asciilifeform: diana_coman: imho that functionality belongs in a udp lib ( given as it demands knowledge of how ip is represented ) but prolly oughta be a troo ada thing, not a callout. however implementing it would double the mass of the proggy
asciilifeform: user is told e.g. 'bind eggoged', 'send eggoged', rather than linux-specific whys ( and for that matter, on a working box udp never eggogs , i haven't even any notion presently how to make it , aside from bind()ing a nonexistent local ip)
asciilifeform: my approach to eggogology is same as to rest of unix liquishit -- when possible, imprison it, not bring out, so long as proggy behaves reasonably
asciilifeform: diana_coman: anyffing useful and conspicuously missing ?
asciilifeform: diana_coman: observe, my lib is somewhat unorthodox, it tries to abstract entirely over the os socket, nails down a fixed packet length, ipv4 4evah, no 'nonblockisms' - who wants these, can implement via ada task; no dnsism supported at all, etc
asciilifeform: ^ eventually i'd like to rewrite the human-string routines, and get rid of the unix callout there, but imho errything else prolly oughta stay as is.
asciilifeform: ( and e.g. mircea_popescu unsheaths ~erry day, and i dun recall him finding it headache )☟︎
asciilifeform: i can't speak for others, but asciilifeform does not find having to unsheath the launch coads erry coupla wks, to be huge headache
asciilifeform: ( this is where it wins over simple 'moderated' chan with hand-curated people list )
asciilifeform: as for the classic voice model, i admit that i like the hidden feature where it causes folx to periodically reassert that they still control their key
asciilifeform: to rewrite the equation, there's a set of folx who have some biznis connecting, and a larger set who do not, and fortunately they are mechanically distinguishable
asciilifeform: aha, same mechanism as trinque presently has for voice filter
asciilifeform: seems to me that items come in 'allcomers' and 'closed wot', and 'allcomers+bans' is simply recipe for whackamole
asciilifeform: recall the iptables thread ? bans are not a perma-pill, same derps could just as easily go to war with fleanode's nick reg mechanism, get 9000 clean nicks, neh.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-17#1851024 << 'nonstandard' captchas actually work quite well. ( i have one in the pipeline for my www, which used an ancient heathen service thing that meanwhile died ). there was a famous ru www that had... schoolboy-level integral problems, as 'captcha'.☝︎
asciilifeform doesn't grasp who and for what needs yet-another paypal, just as the last N-1 times
asciilifeform: '“While these forms of anti-government activities do not involve violence, they are every bit as insidious and represent a clear and present danger to the economic stability of this country,” she said.' etc
asciilifeform: the fundamental flavour of the snake oil being sold, 'one day errybody can have ERRYTHING THEY WANT!11' , is quite similar in both
asciilifeform suspects that 'mother earth mamie socialism' and 'galacticexploration socialism' are not wholly separate, psychiatrically, items. back when 'mother industry will provide' was sustainable religion, that was the dominant flavour. after errybody's tasted buffett's petro-caviar, no longer appealed, same psychotypes went to 'mother earth will provide' historic default
asciilifeform: what's their thing implemented in... befunge ?!
asciilifeform: helps to put current-day crapple into correct perspective. it is a creation of 1990s microshit ( massive dough infusion ), originally to defend against 'monopoly bust'. ended up revived as a replacement 'usg dept of kompyooting' as the original began to show signs of rust
asciilifeform: 'effective monopolist', sold the users 100 $ scsi cables, and 'make'em like it'
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: that was the marketing dept. d00d himself was moar of a quimby.
asciilifeform: trinque: my model of s.jobs is as an old-style 'vhs usa' howard hughes sorta figure. 'fuckoff, i'ma sit in my box with filtered air, and do what i want'
asciilifeform: hey, the alpha centaurians who only see the radio crapola from us, and nuffin else, prolly distinguish even less.
asciilifeform: i'ma subscriber to 'by their fruits shall know them'(tm) algo
asciilifeform: i'll confess, did not actively follow his human output. all i saw was the kernel-dbus folx etc banging unsuccessfully at the kernel door for ~decade
