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mp_en_viaje: At
t1,
there is a patch upon
t0#t0,
transforming gns
to a0 -> b0 ; a1 -> b2 ; manifest becomes #t1.
this is signed by A, W, F, G, U, K.
mp_en_viaje: At
t0,
there is a genesis, consisting of a gns file, containing a0 -> b0 ; and a manifest file, containing #t0.
mp_en_viaje: now
then, specifically as
to
the whole "no. bla bla", let's look at how
this works in practice :
mp_en_viaje: as it stands, i also do not see a problem with
the same one key signing whatever count of ~compatible~ versions of
the universe, where
the key's
to define what compatible actually means, following
therefrom
that
there's exactly jack shit one can systematically do by looking at
the
totalized pile of keys signatures and possibilities. (the familiar will readily recognize a pattern here).
a111: Logged on 2019-05-03 22:21 asciilifeform: Mocky: re vpatches -- as i understand,
the contemplated structure is a linear chain, and 'siblings' could only occur in event of schisms/civil war , rather
than as a regular
thing
mp_en_viaje: (in particular
http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-03#1911102 is at best naive : if you insist
that my key does not sign competing chains [which is not even necessarily a bad idea] i will simply make ~multiple keys~, which will each sign whichver chain i wish
to sign for whatever reason, and which will pass
the "omg civil war" safeguard while achieving exactly no satisfaction of
the bijection contemplated --
they'll still be my keys, one and all.)
☝︎☟︎ mp_en_viaje: for which reason : yes
there is going
to be a press for anyone pressing. how exactly
this press is constructed out of
the universe of possible pressings,
that's a matter established
through
the interplay of domains, as defined by
the keys belonging
to
them.
mp_en_viaje: rather,
the novel follows ~the hero public~, and from
THIS perspective
tells
the adventures of various cioloveks, ~whose names are only in
the first place predicated on
THEIR appartenence
to
the hero of our novel,
the status-of-being-public~.
mp_en_viaje: the novel does not follow hero ilya muromets (whom you know is
the hero cuz
that's who
the novel follows) and from
this perspective describes his adventures in
the lands of public or private.
mp_en_viaje: the second is
that however vectorial or otherwise non-scalar / non-naive extension of bad literature
these "public" or "private" be defined,
they are NOT properties of
the user, deemed as an individual, sovereign and central item in
the construction of
the world.
mp_en_viaje: there's such a
thing as
the private1 of mp alone, and
the private #2 of mp and slut x, and private #3 of mp and slut y, and private #4 of mp and slut x and slut y, and so following.
mp_en_viaje: the first is
that
there does not exist a "public" or a "private" as such, in
the manner
there exists "good guys" or "the rootless cosmopolitans" as found in novels
badly written by
tendentious authors.
mp_en_viaje: Mocky, your ideas of what means "public" an' "private" are unsuitable in
two fundamental ways.
Mocky: Maybe my prior comments were
too abrasive / snarky making it difficult
to engage, if so
that's on me. Or maybe I just don't understand. Either way
there's no point me
trying
to continue with
the content of an argument
that no one can engage with.
Mocky:
http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-03#1910995 << no.
The proposed spec results in a linear chain,
the
tip of which is
the only place where
the next vpatch could go without a schism/civil war. On your own computer you can press wherever you want in
the chain (or have private branches w/e), but in public you can only release further vpaches based on
the same
tip of
the chain
that everyone has.
this is defacto consensus.
☝︎ a111: Logged on 2019-05-03 12:19 mp_en_viaje: moreover,
the selection of seals you put in your seals dir permits you
to choose from a multitude of different
trees.
a111: Logged on 2019-05-03 22:21 asciilifeform: Mocky: re vpatches -- as i understand,
the contemplated structure is a linear chain, and 'siblings' could only occur in event of schisms/civil war , rather
than as a regular
thing
a111: Logged on 2019-05-03 22:19 asciilifeform: Mocky: iirc mircea_popescu's scheme centers around a return
to
the good ol' days when ~all~ names could be found on a given machine's /etc/hosts (or equiv.) -- so one ~could~ in principle use a very slow mechanism
to sync'em, and it'll still work in practice. (
tho i also would rather avoid cementing
tcpisms into future design of whatever
type )
mp_en_viaje: to put in in
those
terms,
the problem ain't so much
that i didn't read what you said ;
the problem's rather
that nor i nor anyone else seems
to know ~know~ how
to read it.
mp_en_viaje: in any case i'd say just about any single implication you propose doesn't follow. elementarily different people having differing views of a patchset on
the basis of
their seals works just fine with manifest files as without. and so on.
mp_en_viaje: e
this situation
therefore i say "apparent unfamiliarity".
mp_en_viaje: mkay,
the breakage here's more
than i know how
to readily address.
Mocky: and i can also expand later on what's with
the 'connecting',
tcp? and what's with
the directories, protocol on
top of
tcp? I'm hoping
that its figurative and you don't literally want
to build gns on
tcp and
http Mocky: I don't have
time
to expand now before I go, but i can expand later.
a111: Logged on 2019-05-03 12:18 mp_en_viaje: Mocky, i dunno what you mean. it almost reads like you're
talking from a complete unfamiliarity with V altogether. what do you mean even, "press multiple heads AT
THE SAME
TIME". any v
tree permits any v operator
the choice of where
the fuck
to press
to. if
the
tree is 1->2->3 you can choose
to press
to 1, 2 or 3.
this is not "at
the same
time".
Mocky:
http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-03#1911019 << I stated my assumption, for confirmation,
that you can't press
to both heads, and you answered with "why not?", and I followed up with 'what would
that even look like?' I stated in
two different ways
that I'm
talking about sibling patches with
the same parent, not 1->2->3. did you even read what i wrote?
☝︎ a111: Logged on 2019-05-01 08:08 mp_en_viaje: phf, what are you doing
these days ?
lobbesbot: phf: Sent 5 hours and 9 minutes ago: <asciilifeform> canhaz #p logger ? ( or a 'when' at least ) ?
ty
BingoBoingo: ^
The
tor woodchipper continues consuming derps
PeterL: maybe
the 10th century southern limit of Lithuania was within
the largest extent of AH, but most people don't
think of
that as part of Lithuania
a111: Logged on 2019-05-03 13:59 mp_en_viaje: kinda how ye olde austro-hungarian lands work, from bohemia
to lithuania etc.
BingoBoingo: ^ PeterL mats_ jurov lobbes and other interested parties are welcome
to begin bidding
to set
this month's exchange rate
lobbesbot: asciilifeform:
The operation succeeded.
mp_en_viaje: maybe it really is a brothel ; i doubt it
tho, looked like slightly ditzy run of
the mill.
mp_en_viaje stopped at "Public House" 4 star hotel earlier walking about. "i don't
think
they know what public house means", quoth i
to my girls. "of course we do!" quoth reception desk gal.
mp_en_viaje: but no, w/e
this 4 star hotel
thinks is an adequate infrastructure. w/e, house of sluts. moving
tomorro.
a111: Logged on 2019-05-03 08:18 mp_en_viaje:
http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-03#1910992 << what exactly can possibly prevent you from keeping retarded dns if
that;s what you want ? i mean, just because i'm not stuck editing /etc/hosts by hand all
the
time does it mean anything about
that ?
a111: Logged on 2019-05-03 04:38 Mocky: 'this
tall'
to have your own actual domain: yes. 'this
tall'
to follow a link: no.
mp_en_viaje: kinda how ye olde austro-hungarian lands work, from bohemia
to lithuania etc.
☟︎ mp_en_viaje: but so far -- as i remember.
the females are brave,
the males inconsequential.
a111: Logged on 2018-11-01 01:08 mircea_popescu:
they don't got
the guts
to qatar/burma anymore,
that's for damn sure.
BingoBoingo: Aite, I can see how whaack kept on
the German chicks
diana_coman: and
the contents of
the manifest file itself are obtained from pressing a
tree so it's not like you get mismatch
tree <-> manifest and a
tangle or I don't see it
mp_en_viaje: but yes in
this case
the manifest is possibly spurious, as you're always changing
the same one file anyway
diana_coman: and a sig on a patch
to my mind can't anyway be in isolation like
that, "just
this patch here is fine but I have no idea of what is being patched"
diana_coman: fwiw I don't get what
the issue is
there and what does
the manifest have
to do with anything
mp_en_viaje: whichever way
this is
turned, i dun manage
to see what
the problem is.
mp_en_viaje: then again, if
the user cares about
the signatures in his seals NOT doing
this in
the first place, he can just nuke whoever who does do it (and can use his own sig
to bridge whatever bridges he wants bridged)
mp_en_viaje: indeed, if
the set of signatures in your seals dir signs a bunch of different possible
trees,
the situation becomes ambiguous. i was saying, i don't
think
this is a problem at all (if for no other reason,
then because either
the user cares or doesn't care. if he does care he can just sign whichever he prefers,
then put his own signature in
the seals and presto. if he does not care
then he doesn't care.)
mp_en_viaje: moreover,
the selection of seals you put in your seals dir permits you
to choose from a multitude of different
trees.
☟︎ mp_en_viaje: Mocky, i dunno what you mean. it almost reads like you're
talking from a complete unfamiliarity with V altogether. what do you mean even, "press multiple heads AT
THE SAME
TIME". any v
tree permits any v operator
the choice of where
the fuck
to press
to. if
the
tree is 1->2->3 you can choose
to press
to 1, 2 or 3.
this is not "at
the same
time".
☟︎ Mocky: i'm off
to kick some ass and
take some names, bbl
Mocky: what would it even look like pressing
to multiple heads at
the same
time? how can you get
the updates in both patch 1 and 2 if
they are siblings?
Mocky: the idea seems go be
that different people have
their own view of hosts file updates based on own view of wot, however, it only works a) without
the manifest file and b) pressing
to all heads, not just one
Mocky: so re your patches example, if patch 2 & 3 both declare patch 1 as parent, and I have wot keys for all a - f, I can't press
to both heads correct?
mp_en_viaje: obviously in
time you'll discover
that it's eminently not WORTH it
to pay 10 bux or w/e
to random empire of idiots pretend-authority. and obviously you'll discover it's fun
to declare google.com or w/e whitehouse.gov == pronhub. but
these future discovery is neither here nor
there ; and
the fact
that my email currently addressed
to mp@whitehouse.gov will start even being delivered once gns is live also doesn'
tmatter
that much
a111: Logged on 2019-05-03 04:38 Mocky: 'this
tall'
to have your own actual domain: yes. 'this
tall'
to follow a link: no.
a111: Logged on 2019-05-03 04:27 Mocky: I see embrace and extinguish as more appropriate for dns destruction (ala a dnsmasq-esque approach)
than isolated bunkers. I mean, i could have joined up with republic prime instead, but
they already completed work on gns prime, and maybe
they passed out ip based links for a while, but eventually pulled up
the ladders
to
their
tree forts and now
they can't even be found. So who knows if republic prime or double prime even exists.
a111: Logged on 2019-05-03 04:22 Mocky: ride' plus 'this
tall' means in my wot?
mp_en_viaje:
http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-03#1910987 > i haven't used civillian dns for what,
two years now. i dont' care
to, either.
this usecase is massively more important
than "fetlife slut". for one
thing, fetlife slut ain't reading anything anyway ; for
the other
thing, nothing forces you
to limit yourself
to gns if you don't want
to.
☝︎ mp_en_viaje: this produces what looks like a potential problem, in
that we'll end up with ambiguous multireferences
to same name. i believe
this is no problem at all, but merely a licked
tooth, and should be kept as such.
mp_en_viaje: so if
there's say people a - f and patches counted numerically, supposing you have 1(a-f) -> 2(a, b) / 3 (b c d e f), patch 4 for someone who has a seals list made up of a, b should be on 2,
a111: Logged on 2019-05-03 03:18 Mocky:
http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-24#1874402 <<
this suggests
that each key holder can only host $key/gns at one ip address. And what about vpatch ordering and
the v manifest file? If i have an entry for archive.is and want
to change
that entry, I can't just make and sign a patch of my own, i have
to patch on
top of
the 'consensus' press, otherwise manifest won't match and can't press multiple heads. Am I wrong about how
that works?
diana_coman: Mocky: isn't
the "right one" dns client you're
talking about simply a bridge? i.e. sure, have as many bridges as you want,
too, what exactly is
the problem?
Mocky: 'this
tall'
to have your own actual domain: yes. 'this
tall'
to follow a link: no.
☟︎☟︎