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mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-24#1528973 << i don't understand how you think gpg works. explain this to me ? ☝︎
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform turns out wasn't tranbslated.
thestringpuller: i wasn't saying that.
asciilifeform: trinque: you don't want otp to touch a pc.
mircea_popescu: and this from someone who doesn't fwis even much care for rats.
mircea_popescu: "oh your world won't work, demiurge" "no problem, i'll add ai to it" "idiot"
mircea_popescu: anyway, this wasn't deliberate part of the design. it's just that it apparently flows from the prime principles that design rests on and implements.
mircea_popescu: dude who wants benchmark and doesn't have own benchmark is a strange construction.
phf: it doesn't hide, it redirects it elsewhere. to places where i rarely ever read it..
mircea_popescu: phf i don't want to hide anything.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform there's reasons we don't condone des. this'd be one of them.
asciilifeform: https://archive.is/tS7S2 << meanwhile in the genius pi;t
mircea_popescu: monks, especially in the feminine, often don't do it voluntarily.
mircea_popescu: it's altogether not clear, for a very basic instance, that "voluntary" is contemplated to mean anything other than "i didn't give my permission for this".
diana_coman: because they can't evaluate really AND they are frail at the end of the day
mircea_popescu: this isn't... sound.
diana_coman: doesn't mean they woke up by doing it
diana_coman: or rather: at *this* time it isn't acknowledge nor used accordingly
mircea_popescu: you don't just GET a dalmatian one day
mircea_popescu: they wouldn't know enough about it. consider gomer pyle's fate in (the very fem-driven, castrated) us army.
asciilifeform: so long as there isn't froth and spittle, they'll take ya./
a111: Logged on 2016-08-24 14:33 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform wouldn't have been judged fit for service since 1800s
mircea_popescu: well... not really like a t cell
asciilifeform: a postalist is as healthy, a necessary, thing, as a t-cell.
mircea_popescu: diana_coman i don't buy nero-the-historical-character either ; but my point is that the description of him from ancient sources hostile is mendacious in a certain way, which certain way supports my view in that it makes it plain the ancients were aware of the type.
diana_coman: uhm, haven't really searched this but do you mean that there are similar shootings all other the world? can't really be that this kind of broken is to be found in the us alone
mircea_popescu: but as it is, it's just a shorted clock bus. chip looks exactly like any other, everywhere, except it won't even remotely boot.
mircea_popescu: and so he serves us in the sense a "stray torpedo" helps the navy that launched it if it happens to hit "something" that "wasn't supposed to be there"
diana_coman: you mean you think that's a biological impossibility for some reason? as otherwise it's still basically a broken culture thing at most and so what asciilifeform said, but not exactly "nothing anyone did or didn't do"
diana_coman: mircea_popescu, I did NOT say to teach him anything; precisely my point: nothing to do to make him something else than he was (or rather: wasn't); what I meant by plenty to do starts with NOT pretending he is a fine child like all the rest, let's get him to college, give him a car etc
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform wouldn't have been judged fit for service since 1800s ☟︎
mircea_popescu: though in fairness i must say, nothing anyone did or didn't do could have helped this kid. he is the definitionally patibulaire
asciilifeform: my one criticism of 'postalists' is that they violate a cardinal rule of mircea_popescutronics: 'don't administer the beating in a way that leaves the punished believing in possibility of recourse.'
mircea_popescu: then they get truly irate ; if it doesn't look like it possibly could they're just displeased.
PeterL: I thought somebody here suggested "The White Guard" by Mikhail Bulgakov, but I can't find it in logs now. Anyway, I recently finished it, was pretty good book.
diana_coman: the last part I suspect is just that they don't meaningfully talk or actually interact with anybody simply
mircea_popescu: diana_coman the reason they "didn't notice" / "didn't take action" is that they're "modern democracy liberal civilised people" which is to say that strange sect of neopuritanism which believes from is both necessary and sufficient ; don't curse and you'll go to heaven ; don't say nigger and you'll get promoted ; don't meaningfully talk or actually interact with your children and they'll go to college.
mircea_popescu: sooo, /me taught girl about cheese ; maybe a coupla years ago. now /me goes to the fridge, there's epic stuff in there didn't evne know existed in this country.
diana_coman: I suppose I don't have the same amount of patience with spiders; and certainly no qualms killing them if they don't get out of the way; I read about half the first part and then really skipped through it and still felt that I lost too much of my time on it
mircea_popescu: diana_coman the way it goes in my head reading it is something like "why doesn't this fucking spider walk away. o wait, ITS A SPIDER."
thestringpuller: hey. if the government hadn't ruined second life!
shinohai: deedbot didn't see key
thestringpuller: i didn't think i needed a "production" set up to run a bitcoin node
mod6: i really enjoy the trips-down-trilema-lane with links like this: http://trilema.com/2012/the-imbecilitarians/ , stuff that I haven't probably read in ~4 years.
trinque: wasn't so curious to buy one :p
asciilifeform: cannot comment, haven't yet seen'em
mircea_popescu: or doesn't bring argument.
mircea_popescu: the only magic trick in all this is, how is speaker viewing self. if speaker has already decided is not exceptional ; then argument "shorty was exceptional - i'm not" can be brought ; but obviously the heuristic indicates the problem's somewhere else ; if however speaker hasn't made such decision, then the argument can't be logically brought. and we know whether speaker has or hasn't made such a decision by whether he brings
mircea_popescu: i won't consider short chicks ; at least in theory (though say chet was a shorty).
trinque: can't argue from general case to make comments about the exceptional
phf: what i don't understand is where all the "cool kids" are during summer break? why not go play with them then so you don't have to catch up every time?
phf: yeah, main reason i got back to moscow every other winter. "why are you going to russia in winter? isn't it cold? lol!" shut. the. fuck. up.
asciilifeform: weren't they used for stack cookie or sumthing
pete_dushenski: hell, davout wouldn't be a bad guy to ring up atm either.
pete_dushenski: fwiw i also can't fathom alf at president trump's inauguration dinner table
asciilifeform: i wonder what else pete_dushenski can't quite fathom
pete_dushenski: gym ? like work out ? /me can't quite fathom alf doing deadlifting/chinups/treadmill
pete_dushenski: kids aren't allowed to compete anymore. too many winners and lusers.
asciilifeform: 'sodamigo's yer friend, he protects yer rearend, so you won't be surprised by JOSE!1111'
asciilifeform: (in the elementary sense that it can't simply propagate to all the have-nots)
asciilifeform put one of them collars on, then searched in vain for why turning handwheel is ~FUCK THIS WON'T MOVE~, chug-chug-chug instead of whhhhrr. inspected lead screw, with magnifying glass, took whole slide apart, back together, then noticed that the stepper motor's wires were touching...
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'which meant that out of a hundred or so kids eating in a large room, I was the one getting the chicken meat parts. Which I didn't like, nor ate, because they were inferior bits to what I normally chomped at home, and they consequently didn't interest me, notwithstanding that most of those children had never in their life eaten meat. Supposedly it was good for them, right ? Vegetarianism is the future and all that ?'
phf: because you don't need to place all rates into absolute order, you just need to order rates of a single person, then it's up to that person to choose which sequence they use. of course better to just keep own counter, but lazy people can rely on timestamp, and get screwed over from time to time
asciilifeform: trinque: well it wouldn't make any sense as a deedbot component
znort987: so fully aware. also don't have a dog in this fight. like I said was trying to see how the wot worked and gave rating where I felt they were due
asciilifeform: n see a one thousand dollar bank note issued before 1900. That is why large size $1,000 bills are so rare today. If you were rich enough to see one, you were smart enough to not keep it. Currency didn't really become collectible until the 1950s. There was no reason to save a $1,000 bill. You were just losing out on the interest it could be earning.'
felipelalli: asciilifeform: I know :p but I don't know znc just died.
phf: because you couldn't really test strength against girl, that was inconceivable and those who tried were just weirdos (not to mention testing strength against girl the fuck), but if you managed to do a sneak drop
mircea_popescu: 10yo acceptable maneuvers re girls were a) throwing soft snowball (really hard iced ones were for boys only!) ; sticking snow behind neck but only if done with trickery (ie, if the girl was aware she's about to get it you couldn't do it) and finally pulling pants off. bonus points if also underwear.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform they don't. these spontaneous monetizations are spontaneous from an interplay of sexuality and violence which does not exist in anglo world.
BingoBoingo: microagressions aren't real. There's just actual aggressions and thinskinned butthurt
asciilifeform: i see 'coloured coin' as a fundamentally distinct type of chumpatron, 'let's monetize blue Turbo chewing gum wrappers!1111' 'and oh btw i totally don't have a shoebox full of blue'
mircea_popescu: then didn't pay.
mircea_popescu: that they make segwit ; that we make deedbot (the two are not even vaguely dissimilar, by the way, except prb doesn't know how to code cleanly), is really nobody's problem.
mircea_popescu: given the dilemma of http://trilema.com/2016/the-necessary-prerequisite-for-any-change-to-the-bitcoin-protocol/ the choice was to find a solution that doesn't brick extant miners. understandably.
mircea_popescu: i don't see how you can be forced to store txn you dun wanna.
mircea_popescu: there's no end to the human capacity for self delusion - which is fundamentally the point of our discussion coupla days ago. you can't have a protocol that keeps people from being stupid.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform nothing obliges you to accept transactions that don't conform.
asciilifeform: it isn't even a wholly ineffectual tool - worked on, e.g., linux.
mircea_popescu: a dozen people (if that) carry on their "very reasonably engineered" with flecks of "right thing" a la mmap shoulders THOUSANDS of fucking social media monkeys and assorted barn animals ; they see a paltry few thousands out of the BILLIONS this shitfest burns each year ; and they don't even have good parking spaces.
mircea_popescu: eh, usg's problem is that it ain't got no money; not that it ain't got where to use the money it has.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I don't think there was a time since I came into communion with the proto-republic where it wasn't the case.
mod6: (22:56) <@mod6> and don't forget to grab:
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> is there some rule that "experts" in anglosphere must be ludicrously inept at their chosen expertise, as per their own lights ? << Yes, if every "expert" sucks then tournament market doesn't need a very sweet pot for the winrar.
asciilifeform: in fact, it isn't N^2, but potentially exponential (knapsack)
asciilifeform: 'This incentivization scheme is often called Child Pays For Parent (CPFP). In the simplest version, miners group a transaction and all of its ancestors together, calculating their total fee-per-byte in order to determine whether mining them together pays a high enough fee to outbid other individual transactions the miner wants to include in its next block.' << ain't that O(N^2) ?
thestringpuller: lol "we're combing the desert" i always thought the afro pick was a nice touch. they don't make movies like that anymore.
mircea_popescu: not like i didn't put a fucking notice! on the very trilema!
a111: Logged on 2016-08-17 16:13 mircea_popescu: evidently, the socialist party does the exact same thing. for reasons of habit however, it doesn't irk you when they do it ; only when we do it.
mircea_popescu: which is the original point of http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-17#1523089 : if for whatever reason you're unwilling to bias against pangloss, notwithstanding that this is both shown by experience to be a most productive, useful and eficacious heuristic as well as deductively sound ; nevertheless at the very least you can't bias FOR it. ☝︎
mircea_popescu: "here's how rms' laptop works - except it doesn't"
mircea_popescu: "come see what zimmerman thinks about encryption - a guy who admits to losing his pgp key sometime in the 90s and doesn't see the problem with this"
mircea_popescu: yeah well, wasn't in his plane.,
mircea_popescu: wait who didn't pay ?
phf: i guess they didn't pay
mircea_popescu: owner is like "go ahead, what, don't you know barkin' dogs don't bite ?"
mircea_popescu: i imagine he already doesn't eat.
gabriel_laddel: Meh, I wouldn't be entertaining this notion if it were not for the fact that I can ~ sell ~ the x61.
mircea_popescu: don't feel too bad, i got a lot of experience with this on slavegirls
asciilifeform: and if he hasn't got it, to make new one sooner, and start working on new life, is better than later.