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assbot: Logged on 23-01-2016 18:03:25;
thestringpuller: i barely "know" C, how am I ever gonna learn LISP?!?!?
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu may have his reasons for being so friendly and welcoming but bearing a deep suspicion of new faces in #b-a has saved me untold heartbreak (and no doubt riches, if i were
to listen
to robert viragh's ilk)
☟︎ mircea_popescu: of course
the correct method
to learn greek consists of reading
the source material and
the angry german commentary in alternation.
mircea_popescu: i just read it as "the difference between one's understanding and
the course requirement, call it D, is
the maximal aperture past which useful metaphors (with an utility marked as U) and inept strawmen (with a deviance marked as -U) can still be distinguished"
thestringpuller: if
they rip out OpenSSL for libsecp256k1 won't
this cause undeterministic behavior in signature checking? Or does
the "comooniteee" just want
to not check signatures anymore?
mircea_popescu: the one
thing i wonder, asciilifeform , is why do we always
talk in strawmen.
mircea_popescu: it's one
thing when five people who spend most of
their
time doing
things gather in bohr's outhouse and agree "x is prolly hard".
mircea_popescu: and incidentally, as a bright mathematical mind pointed out once, "at some point
the effort invested in stating rsa is 'widely researched' exceeds
the effort ever expended into researching it"
mircea_popescu: "this bag is as heavy as
that car. we don't know whether
that car is just a cardboard cutout or what, but hey, provedly heavy bag! !1"
mircea_popescu: dude speaking of "provability" bs. FSB are "provably secure" because it can be proven
they're at least as hard as regular syndrome decoding. which is np complete. while we don't actually know if
THAT is in fact resolvable in polynomial
time or not, nevertheless... PROVEDLY SECURE!!11
☟︎ mircea_popescu: but i suspect
this heavy... butted aesop is a little
too hamfisted for
the actual butts in question.
mircea_popescu: anyway, my idea was originalyl
that it's a collaborative
tool par excellence. girls better support each other's back, lest
they fall in.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: "would
this be a punishment
toilet ? for like
the dungeon ?" "do you
think
the jacuzzi is a punishment pool ?" "ewww!"
thestringpuller: I want
to be competent/sane before attempting
to pick up master carpenter's
tools.
thestringpuller: "When you handle
the master carpenter's
tools, chances are
that you'll cut your hand."
☟︎ mircea_popescu: anyway, as a general point : even if you did compute a fastest route, and even if in fact you are correct (which is fundamentally an undecidable problem),
there is still no reason
to panic if phenomena goes a slightly more circuitous path.
there are at least
two good reasons, both political. one's education (ie, benefit of
the ingroup),
the other ... well let's just say
the other's for
the benefit of
the outgroup.
mircea_popescu: but conceptually, in my head at least, more of a "bitcoind migrates into bitcoinos"
thing
mircea_popescu: anyway. it's one
thing
to add "a library". it's another
to "import
this 1k lines
that i read myself".
assbot: Logged on 23-01-2016 16:09:28; asciilifeform: adding an ~additional~
turd
to
the ball of shit, is not.
assbot: Logged on 23-01-2016 16:00:29; asciilifeform: 'deck chairs on
titanic'
mircea_popescu: heh im bashing
that baby stuff. alf huffed
the right paint
this morning :D
assbot: Logged on 23-01-2016 15:55:03; asciilifeform: and
the logical replacement is sexpr.
punkman: and if prb had sane logging we wouldn't be having
this discussion
punkman: what is
there
to do on
titanic other
than abandon ship?
punkman: so if I
talk
to
to bitcoind with python I get sexpr in ascii or otherwise?
punkman: well, something for
the foundation
to decide, whether json is
to be kept or replaced with something else
assbot: Logged on 21-01-2016 22:16:42; asciilifeform:
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-01-2016#1380266 << yes! and you can almost ~define~ 'sane system'
this way. with
the caveat
that it can't be a non-orthogonal fudge like a program consisting of one line 'start_bitcoind()' nor anything in
that spirit. ORTHOGONAL operators.
mircea_popescu: one is code,
the other standard. it helps me nothing
that you've made one small if
this makes
the other huge.
mircea_popescu: even before wot issue considered :
there's
two branches
to corectness.
punkman: there are some
tiny json libraries
mircea_popescu: punkman only if "standard format" doesn't expand at pre-compile
time into "here's a debalanced
tree of 547657698 "standards""
punkman: standard format would be nicer
than new invention
mircea_popescu: yes because it sucks lol. if you're happy with
that much.
mircea_popescu: i do but i don't recall why i wasn't so hot about
that.
mircea_popescu: this strikes me as
the same fundamental insanity of "we'll replace bdb with leveldb in
the sense
that WE KEEP BOTH!!1".
punkman: need
to have a format for api output anyway right?
mircea_popescu: yes but fuck
that, we have a protocol
that
then imports json ?