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asciilifeform: the adult version as i envision it is much more like what is described above.
asciilifeform: 'v' as we have it now, or at least as it appeared in my initial publication, was a very hasty and premature, wartime wunderwaffen thing
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if this was not clear, there is not presently any such thing as turing-complete diff/patch
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: this is a continuation of a thread almost as old as 'v' - consider the tinyscheme-genesis patch, shiva, and the 'pedigree bridge'
assbot: Logged on 21-02-2016 04:11:48; ben_vulpes: if asciilifeform hadn't already declared himself to not touch anything that brought anything down from the net he'd be complaining about all of the above as well
ben_vulpes: if asciilifeform hadn't already declared himself to not touch anything that brought anything down from the net he'd be complaining about all of the above as well ☟︎
gernika: mod6: the exact same message as in the dpaste.
ben_vulpes: gernika does your script go so far as to exit at that point?!
mod6: also, re: regrind, this is for sure: when doing this task, it forces you to read and understand the patch that needs regrinding. nothing wrong with this as far as I can tell.
phf: i'm going to try and keep main patches view the same as what mod6 is releasing
hanbot: mod6 ftr i'm not at all set up for proper testing atm, much as i wish i could offer something. will heads up when i'm able.
mircea_popescu: everything makes sense, my dear alf, as long as the cane doesn't cut into one's own buttocks.
mircea_popescu: ity is freeing, it allows self-conscious physical bodies to get used to standing next to each other without having to be acting, this includes husbands and wives. When dinner is a controlled process with "manners" and expected topics of shared conversation and start and end times, as boring as it may get, it is boring, not you. Women are especially sensitive to this absence of convention, this is one reason for the p
mircea_popescu: or, as tlp very well put it, "
mircea_popescu: no, warhol is a talentless dali. just as lazy.
asciilifeform: overall i agree with this, and personally i have introduced many tortures, as the folks reading have felt on own skins.
asciilifeform: i don't see the manual monk-copying as being automagically a thing of correctness-making.
mircea_popescu: if it's finished before i die or after, i don't care. so long as it's finished right
mircea_popescu: but the notion that code can be owned is so idiotic as not to be able to stand. it's fucking code!
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: say we do things precisely as you described. and tomorrow i publish a patch. now everyone who wants to test it, cannot apply it at all unless he is willing to use my tree wholesale. instead he has to MANUALLY merge it in, line by line. and then i end up back-and-forth-ing over his typos for the next month, instead of doing ANYTHING else
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu doesn't seem to give the least damn about sweat, so long as it is not off his own back. 'who cares how many zeks it takes to build belomor canal' ?
mircea_popescu: you choose to view this as a sign of the omnipotence of usg.
mircea_popescu: this is your privilege, as a believer in animism.
asciilifeform: i see it as imbeciles setting out to do evil things and succeeding.
asciilifeform: i don't see prb or the xml circus as 'good people, good intentions, bad tool'
mircea_popescu: this is as it should be, incidentally, tho the original design was for there to be 2 people who then add more.
asciilifeform: as i understand, it is a thing that mircea_popescu considers sinful ?
asciilifeform: it is quite the same as 'we will abolish indoor spaces! no palaces, so there can be no thrones'
asciilifeform: for there to not be any such thing as could resemble an 'update throne'
mircea_popescu: as long as it works fine without, i see no problem with it being there, but either way.
mircea_popescu: ~same as "what does it cost wesley snipes to advertise gasoline saving magnets. already convicted felon anyway."
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mircea_popescu: mno. the enveloping of a tool which by its functioning and nature guarantees a free world into a sufficient wall so as to be safely operated by the opposite.
mircea_popescu: but understand that in any perspective, there's something fundamentally broken with telling V "press me this list of nodes". conceivably it may be useful as a graph-debugging tool, but it is not a v-ism.
mircea_popescu: in any case - v, as any new coin, has to get diversely seeded so it may survive, which is the scary step before us right now.
mircea_popescu: hence it's not as much what we "want" from our tools per se. merely what we expect them to be
mircea_popescu: which is why things such as "official best policy for X" never even got to the discussion phase, as i've always torpedoed it ?
ben_vulpes: there is the "bitcoin as these gentlemen"
mircea_popescu: the only sane thing to say to V is "i want the bitcoin as these gentlement think it is best "
ben_vulpes: mod6: testing cycle in #b-a is slow as sin
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-02-2016#1410922 << would we do me the favour and quote me when we agree with me like this as i have nfi what this is. also http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-02-2016#1410930 <<< what stupid shit is this! specify THE PATCH SET ? fu! you mean specify the wot and the genesis ? ☝︎☝︎
asciilifeform: imho the scripts such as this should make it ~clear what will be pressed~
assbot: Logged on 13-02-2016 23:22:01; mod6: oh, because the leaf ordering is different. if you want a press of "all" patches as they exist in the mirror, currently, you need to press up through asciilifeform_maxint_locks_corrected.vpatch
ben_vulpes: phf: i tried for a very long time with erc in a seperate emacs instance running on a server as a bouncer, and the *constant* muscle memory confusion over the subtle differences between emacs-in-terminal and emacs-with-gui drove me up a wall
jurov: yes it's likel, i updated glibc, then i said to myself might as well update whole system
ben_vulpes: subject of meat labor, i was slamming the 27-year old baristas some staffer was browsing on tinder last night and someone made the hilarious comment that bunnies are just as hot-swappable as baristas
asciilifeform: because, at least partly, the latter represents 'capital allocation', or as mircea_popescu's article put it, 'a thing we can't all be doing'
pete_dushenski: feelings as currency - worth ~usd at this point
pete_dushenski: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U6i8Xmi0Y20 << i can't tell if this is from 2008 (as listed as 'upload date') or 1977. white chalk on green blackboard and modest indian lecturer are timeless!
asciilifeform: money is 'given' so that you can 'buy 200 mil of ads from arsebook, who gave it' as per mircea_popescu's article.
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asciilifeform: 'There are three forms of employee commitment that may apply to commitment to country as well: affective (emotional: ― I feel good when I see the flag), normative (obligation: ― I belong here) and instrumental (no other option: ― I’m here because I have no choice).' << l0ltr0nic
mircea_popescu: as you say, sop.
asciilifeform: claims such gems as, e.g., only 5% of applicants for usg clearance are disqualified
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'V. crabro ... Unlike most other vespines, reproductive suppression involves worker policing instead of queen pheromone control as was previously thought.' << srsly ?!
asciilifeform: may as well complain that the monkeys at the zoo play with themselves
asciilifeform: as in, not warez at all? the american paid subscription crud ?!
asciilifeform: the peasant bowed just as he bowed to the old lords.
asciilifeform: my understanding is that 'this is allt here is, i am as human as every great man' thing was not yet developed.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the material is as plentiful as it is monotonous.
mircea_popescu: they do not have the "rsa pill". the block ciphers however as currently implemented are next to useless.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu is of course free do define my questions, such as 'do they have the rsa pill', as uninteresting. but i find this position too martian to fully grasp with my puny earthling brain.
mircea_popescu: other things that haven't been found include the electronic raisin nuclear cheesecake, and generally speaking all manner and definitions of unknown things as defined by the people not knowing them. because FUCKING NECESSARILY!
mircea_popescu: they're guarded by asciilifeform's unknown sons in a mausoleum on buyan, along with asciilifeform's own handmade copy of the dead sea manuscripts and still shots from his days as a fireman/pornstar.
mircea_popescu: that now the feds are somewhere between uganda and ethiopia as far as legal power is concerned.
asciilifeform: the correct way to arrange this crippled gossipd affair is as an mpex-like network of proxies
asciilifeform: (as discussed in the 'g' thread. you ask for kakobrekla-style token, and decrypt a symmetric key)
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-02-2016#1410165 << i have a bank of sealed 'gel-cel' indoors. as do many many folks. ☝︎
pete_dushenski: "The remaining 24.87832294 BTC will be a recurring fee to maintain the hardware. Further one-off expenditure may be incurred as needed, we're by now running a rather complex setup including numerous servers and that simply means one can not ever have any peace." << july 2014 report
pete_dushenski: 'Poor and content is rich and rich enough, But riches fineless is as poor as winter To him that ever fears he shall be poor.'
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes i dun think so much enchained by thinking car is necessary as fully aware that without a car she has to know how to do a whole raft of things.
ben_vulpes: live as an itinerant website mender
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i dug for more detail, but the written material on the subj as such appears to be very scarce.
assbot: Logged on 23-07-2015 04:01:30; mircea_popescu: trinque as a boy, i was very distraught to find from my mother that if one invents something, he doesn't merely have to say what it should be
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-02-2016#1409721 << the project to summarize the logs has been long proposed, no serious takers as of yet. ☝︎
asciilifeform: as if it was not obvious who pushed on day 1 ?
ben_vulpes: imagine logs as forum threads, where a link to a previous log line bumps the whole thread
BingoBoingo: danielpbarron: it works as it. In the future, just avoid nesting quotes in lists
shinohai: I should make a BitBet as to whether Donald Trumps sues Pope Francis over his comments today.
asciilifeform: the 'value so long as everybody doesn't sell' doesn't interest me a lick.
asciilifeform: most folks, as mircea_popescu wrote, want to 'feel like traders'
mircea_popescu: peterl can't the guy have a preference ? and then pass it off as reasonable ?
mircea_popescu: can you explain the difference between israel as it is and israel occupied by two feet tall grey goo ?
asciilifeform: ng their home as a viable target for an attacker.'
adlai: mircea_popescu: as i understand it, 'alphago' is a system for training a go-move-scoring ANN against itself, from an initial seed of positions taken from human games. the product of this is a single instance which can play a game against a human, or itself, and "learn" - producing another instance of itself
assbot: Logged on 18-02-2016 14:00:42; mircea_popescu: and there's a pile of observations to be had there, such as "the result of an aggregate is a woman ?!" and so on, but i'm too lazy.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-02-2016#1409548 << laugh, but as a schoolboy i wanted to build exactly this. even wrote lengthy treatise turd concerning it. even bought fpga (and then realized that i have no way to attach it to a board, 0.5mm pitch) ☝︎
mircea_popescu: and there's a pile of observations to be had there, such as "the result of an aggregate is a woman ?!" and so on, but i'm too lazy. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: it's true that [a certain subset of parents] treats their kids intelligence as a sort of surogate beauty/athletic promise/musical talent,
cazalla: if you enjoy it, or others, idc, but never seen the appeal, as mentioned before, i was pressured into it and she cried lol
cazalla: spew ain't near as revolting as shit anyway, imo
cazalla: mircea_popescu, what womens pukes from there on a daily basis? i sure as fuck don't want shit on my cock
assbot: Logged on 18-02-2016 05:13:44; pete_dushenski: the whole 'red hot economy' spectacle really isn't as attractive first-hand as it is on paper, at least aesthetically.
mircea_popescu: so there's your tailor made placebo. every time you get the problem, tell yourself that if it keeps going you're going to have anal sex with a black dude as a cure.
cazalla: sure as fuck not sticking it in such a shitty place
cazalla: i've gone as far as a ct coronary angiogram.. nothing
cazalla: sure as fuck isn't aids or schizophrenia
mircea_popescu: but ftr, as i said on trilema : obscure autoimmune problems are both rare and obvious in tissue sample.
cazalla: only reason i've pursued these idiot as far as i have
cazalla: well, nothing, can only go so far as explain symptoms