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mircea_popescu: sure ; but i don'
t think trinque was proposing the purpose of bitcoin is micropayments.
a111: Logged on 2016-09-10 02:41 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform can you explain your problem with micropayments any more articulately than "i don'
t understand this" ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform can you explain your problem with micropayments any more articulately than "i don'
t understand this" ?
☟︎ mod6: again, don'
t wanna speak for the man; however, don'
t think he has any at this point.
mod6: well, i don'
t wanna speak for ben_vulpes, but iirc he's read most of them if not all; maybe just didn'
t get around to signing for lack of time because of baby, and running company.
phf: asciilifeform: i don'
t have any vulpes sigs either..
shinohai didn'
t know Irssi was still in use
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: you know standing up a trinquebot isn'
t terrifically difficult
mircea_popescu: did i drop the "prionic" alt-explanation in log or no ? i... can'
t recall ?
ben_vulpes: jurov: upside of the plastic is that it is porous and doesn'
t clog
ben_vulpes: isn'
t there some risk to stacking them like that?
ben_vulpes: "what was the first rule? DON'
T GET CAUGHT!"
mod6: i don'
t know for sure. maybe "hand full of blackcats" or something. small firecrackers.
phf: at least this time annotations don'
t include 1000 line log excerpts
Framedragger: asciilifeform: tho am not sure if it's necessarily bad, to leak incremental nonces. i mean, i know you don'
t want to leak one single useful bit to da enemy; i don'
t know if it's a practical constraint, even if it is laudible.
Framedragger: actually, nm. if you don'
t want to leak incremental info of this kind, i guess it does become more difficult
phf: we had a thread about it two weeks ago, where the conclusion was that gossipd as written in the only available spec has all kinds of problems and shouldn'
t be implemented/used
shinohai: I take it your female java shadow isn'
t there?
mod6: i don'
t want to disagree with what I just said here: <+mod6> a lot of new questions and discussions will arise once someone starts to prototype gossipd out.
scriba: Logged on 2016-09-09: [00:55:24] <mod6> This hypothetical solution, even if it does work, wouldn'
t make it a one-button-push solution. Why? A person would need to get V + V.sig, verify, create a .wot dir, sync the patches + seals, manually or automatically, press the tree, then navigate into the pressed tree, and then `make`.
mircea_popescu: also, pure coper comes native, if you live in a land that doesn'
t suck you can just get yourself a chunk from the local cave.
PeterL: asciilifeform don'
t you know the future is wireless power? We won'
t need all this copper running through our houses once we make the *tech breakthrough*!
Framedragger: [OT just for the record, it seems that rfc 7413 ("tcp fast open") won'
t do any good because (lo and behold) not only would it not save against syn floods, it'd actually introduce new attacks (2.2 and beyond). and existing mitigation techniques may not work. gotta love those people. yeah, fuck tcp.]
mircea_popescu: sure, sure. a proper alloy saves you from shitty geometry, but you can'
t use zamac.
mircea_popescu: but anyway - the greek idea of gods doesn'
t have them as a sort of christian deity, omnipotent, all wise etc. it's not fucking allah.
mircea_popescu: Framedragger so the myth was reinterpreted, by later imbeciles, who don'
t even speak greek.
mircea_popescu: it... isn'
t. it fucking isn'
t. the point of technology is the complete and utter oppression of idiots.
Framedragger: and gossipd without any auth whatsoever wouldn'
t really be that? in all honesty, i should reread the spec, which is probably outdated, and log search sucks, fml
mircea_popescu: it may be flattenable, and a large part of what we'll be doing is explore those graphs etc, but atm this is premature, we don'
t even have a prototype.
mircea_popescu: Framedragger if you're not connected, how do you distinguish what was said from what might have been said from what wasn'
t actually said ?
Framedragger: (i am aware that proper gossipd doesn'
t have to run over internet)
Framedragger: btw wouldn'
t "nothing signed" gossipd reality actually be not "only among chosen clique" but rather "only chosen among clique [so, okay, not for all] plus whoever listens to internet backbone including all teh agencies"?
mircea_popescu: gossipd does "for friends ears only". and the only way to make sure that can'
t happen, si by signing things. because once signed, they're definitionally for everyone equally well.
mircea_popescu: but all this stuff aside, back to the important point here : the "gossipd-like" thing contemplated for moving signed material (ie, v stuff) around is very much a different beast from the actual gossipd, which doesn'
t work on signed material ; presumably doesn'
t work on tcp etc.
mircea_popescu: get some of that lulzy "we know it's here but we can'
t turn it off because red tape" bonus going on.
mircea_popescu: in the sense of how we implemented log bots that work, on the basis of whatever was there before, which apparently didn'
t work, or at least didn'
t work as well or w/e.
mircea_popescu: how about we don'
t mix discussions of prototyping with discussion of random opsec challenges.
mircea_popescu: (not to mention - you brought it up, entirely ungermane to the discussion, so you can'
t now detrimentally rely on it.)
Framedragger: then the argument does admittedly slide a little: yes okay, this is great that it can'
t be DoS'd that easily when the time comes; and yet it still has to parse multiple packets before it determines that hey, i don'
t know this fingerprint.
mircea_popescu: just because owner currently automated a hole into the ship doesn'
t mean that hole doesn'
t come with a pre-made hatch.
mircea_popescu: you still can'
t answer, for lack of a way to form your answer.
mircea_popescu: how would you send otps to check to a person you don'
t know ?
mircea_popescu: i'd say it's actually "nothing to all comers" guaranteedly, you can'
t break this even if you want to.
mircea_popescu: it does. because if it doesn'
t know me, it can'
t answer to my syn now can it.
mircea_popescu: no "you can'
t decrypt it". but "you can decrypt it, of course. to anything you wish."|
mircea_popescu: anyway. identity doesn'
t need signature to be checked. behold :
mircea_popescu: certainly it is not contemplated here thatg anyone would be forced to run v to get gossipd. heck, i don'
t even believe such "forcing" would be in principle possible.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you can'
t "bolt things" to items that do not exist.
mircea_popescu: anyway. this "separation of concerns" objection would have a lot more meat on its imaginary bones if there actually eixsted any sort of gossipd. as there doesn'
t, the objection has no legs to stand on.
scriba: Logged on 2016-09-09: [00:55:24] <mod6> This hypothetical solution, even if it does work, wouldn'
t make it a one-button-push solution. Why? A person would need to get V + V.sig, verify, create a .wot dir, sync the patches + seals, manually or automatically, press the tree, then navigate into the pressed tree, and then `make`.
scriba: Logged on 2016-09-09: [06:35:04] <Framedragger> will make it so previous links on e.g. your site don'
t break; just that default links generated when clicking don'
t include the thing
Framedragger: will make it so previous links on e.g. your site don'
t break; just that default links generated when clicking don'
t include the thing
pete_dushenski: re: taleb, it's also worth noting that way back in 2014 i was ~the sole voice saying that camgirl vids weren'
t going to turn his crank and bring him here, in the face of "oh but he's still a dude, pete" opposition, no less. whereas alf regularly gets to say "i told you so" whenever another flaw in the shitstack of personal computing is revealed, or mp whenever another usg muppet hoists himself on his own
pete_dushenski: blaming the 'atmosphere' on the modest (but non-zero!) number of folks walking through the #trilema door is akin to blaming 'society' that you can'
t get an erection. it's not the talking head's fault that your wife's ugly.
phf: asciilifeform: you don'
t want to know.
mod6: i could go on here.. but let's just say i didn'
t think it all the way through.
mircea_popescu: ok let's approach it this way : what is so special about the make files that they get their own tree ? why not say, all .c files get their own, all .h files get their separate own ? inasmuch as you can'
t use the makefiles without the sources, they belong in the same tree as the sources.
mod6: This hypothetical solution, even if it does work, wouldn'
t make it a one-button-push solution. Why? A person would need to get V + V.sig, verify, create a .wot dir, sync the patches + seals, manually or automatically, press the tree, then navigate into the pressed tree, and then `make`.
mod6: oh yeah, we're not reall messing with any of that stuff. stator hasn'
t been a part of the 'orchastra' for some time now.
mod6: I can'
t make heads or tails out out of what you're saying there asciilifeform.
mod6: And we haven'
t discussed it since.