asciilifeform: there is ru proverb, 'a spoon is good at dinner time'

asciilifeform: i suspect verisimilitude will enjoy the http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-11#1822445 thread. ☝︎

asciilifeform: http://verisimilitudes.net/2018-08-18 << nostalgic

asciilifeform: verily.

asciilifeform: q is with how many years inside pyramid.

asciilifeform: well in principle anyffing 'can be made'

asciilifeform only ever built a +ver'd kernel when ran into a piece of i/o iron that could not be brought to life any other way

asciilifeform: cant speak for others, but not i.

asciilifeform: typically folx dragged by irons.

asciilifeform: pentium 166.

asciilifeform: ( hey phf ! )

asciilifeform: iirc phf has one too

asciilifeform: ( whoknows, maybe asciilifeform could regain his 64MB toshiba... )

asciilifeform: would be neato imho if we could bring 2.6 back to life trb-style.

asciilifeform: already begun to look into it.

asciilifeform: but currently do not know with how much fiddle.

asciilifeform: i'm quite certain that it can be made to.

asciilifeform: there's another, larger one, if you want to use the hdmi display thing, but i dun use it anywhere

asciilifeform: it runs prior to uboot.

asciilifeform: the only binball is that coupla kB of ddr ram init thing. ☟︎

asciilifeform: compiled

asciilifeform: linus et al diddled the api repeatedly.

asciilifeform: not as-they-are, no

asciilifeform: pretty much whole i/o set

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: see, them little pogolike things, have entire constellation of entirely non-pclike subdevices

asciilifeform: cuz it's 4.x with a pretty large ball of poorly delineated patchola

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: but i'm not particularly excited by idea of losing rk

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i wouldn't be opposed to at least attempting to backport 3.x driverola to 2.6

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i suspected the kernel thing will be uphill.

asciilifeform: !#s mips.v

asciilifeform: http://verisimilitudes.net/2018-02-02 << are you familiar with...

asciilifeform: 'The SHUT-IT-DOWN Common Lisp Library' << notbad name.

asciilifeform: ... prison ?

asciilifeform: verisimilitude: i have quite a few items in own notebook similar to yours, from decade+ ago. lemme guess, were you stuck on uninhabited island ? ☟︎

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: lol i have a bunch of photos just like that of timis orcs

asciilifeform: verisimilitude: then will be able to speak and come into perma-relation with other people.

asciilifeform: !!help

asciilifeform: verisimilitude: also highly recommend to make yourself a pgp key, and reg with deedbot,

asciilifeform: verisimilitude: http://btcbase.org/log/

asciilifeform: verisimilitude: i highly recommend it, right now you're in approx the position of that random fella who sat down in a cargo plane and took off on a lark ☟︎

asciilifeform: verisimilitude: ever read the #trilema logs ? or just this minute found it ☟︎

asciilifeform: aha

asciilifeform: lemme guess, was it via asciilifeform's www

asciilifeform: dare i to ask what is gained from this ?

asciilifeform: what's the diff ?

asciilifeform: 'The Masturbation Language' loox like stock unmodded classical 'brainfuck'

asciilifeform looks...

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: yes measured, mine do

asciilifeform: i suppose oughta add, afaik nobody made in '06 box where i can 256GB ram

asciilifeform: pcie bus bottleneck

asciilifeform: and gb nic. that's pretty much it.

asciilifeform: ssd raid5.

asciilifeform: sometimes -- 486 suffices...

asciilifeform: neato

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 1st ed opteron ??

asciilifeform: i suppose if you dun need post-'04 irons, worx great

asciilifeform: neato

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the oldest i have on currently serving box anywhere is 3.8.8

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: not being a debianist, i cannot immediately say which edition of it this'd correspond to

asciilifeform: hm?

asciilifeform: 3.x ~= 2.6

asciilifeform: both now and in fyootoor

asciilifeform: i'll consider backports of patches that fix e.g. 'magic packet of death', but not 'spectre' etc rubbish

asciilifeform: ( + a reallly slow box.. )

asciilifeform: any attempt to repair it simply creates a nsa.nobus imho

asciilifeform: i.e. isolation on x86 is illusory

asciilifeform: trinque: imho dun matter worth a sparrow's fart

asciilifeform: but would like to hear from the l1 folx re subj before mixing the cement.

asciilifeform: ( i have a buncha pc boxen running 3.x and entirely satisfied with'em )

asciilifeform: i wouldn't even object to cementing a 3.x, supposing i had a working one for rk

asciilifeform: i currently dun have a strong opinion re which 4.x is cementable

asciilifeform: 4.9.76 on dulap, and slightly earlier iirc in rk branch ( will have to maintain at least these 2 forks , i suspect )

asciilifeform: ( oblig shitty engl. trans, http://samlib.ru/a/as_w/vys-chr-ru-e.shtml )

asciilifeform: ( see also '...Я тебя не трону, а в душе зарою / И прикажу залить цементом, чтобы не разрыть.'(tm)(r)( vysotsky, https://archive.is/LXXw8 ) )

asciilifeform: or at least, to start.

asciilifeform: likewise it is time for folx to go over their iron and nominate driverolade that they believe ought to live.

asciilifeform: trinque, mircea_popescu , et al : asciilifeform, in light of http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2578 etc , has been thinking of genesising the kernel. prolly not tonight or tomorrow, but in near fyootoor. if anyone has particular desires ( & optionally, justification ) for particular ver becoming The Last and cemented, would like to hear about it.

asciilifeform: 'stupidity has infinite health' or how did mircea_popescu's old piece formulate it.

asciilifeform: aaha.. thinking folx, sometimes give up; vermin -- never

asciilifeform: whether shitoshi could or not see past own bellybutton, can be debated 4evah

asciilifeform: i.e. may as well gather the win to be had from firing the first rockets.

asciilifeform: rright, i observed that the situation could be forced into being very inexpensively, http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-24#1853644 ☝︎

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i take it you dun suppose the miners thing , upthread, will be serious boojum ? ( or should i wait for mircea_popescu to eat log )

asciilifeform: speeaaking of which.

asciilifeform: iirc was one of the moar recent 'trb-i' mircea_popescu threads

asciilifeform: aha

asciilifeform: ( but as it is, we also have a wild animal, in the mix, called miner, and its immediate ecosystem )

asciilifeform: right, this'd be immediately practical if the net consisted of wot'd folx an' their boxen

asciilifeform: ( $thread was specifically re puzzler of how -- and if -- to sort nodes ~not~ known to be operated by wot'd humans. rather than ' asciilifeform's wires ' and related experiment )

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: see thread...

asciilifeform: ( and i indeed suspect that no pentagon ww3 planner planned for anyffing like the current level of breakage, at that )

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: aha.. the amazing thing isn't that 'x,y,z are broken' but that any part still worx..

asciilifeform: 1 per burst ( see thrd )

asciilifeform: yea as i understand diana_coman already has the knobs, can turn'em when she wakes up

asciilifeform: conceivably , on some really sad gsm modem somewhere, or the like, it will be 508.

asciilifeform: given as i do not know a reason why it oughta be as low as 508 when going from ip stack mtu would be 1472.

asciilifeform: ( 508 payload, that is )

asciilifeform: nao, according to the talmud, max guara-nonfrag udp is 508. but this , this oughta be seen.

asciilifeform: ergo payload of 1472 corresponds to mass of 1500.

asciilifeform: iirc.