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phf: they have some package hack foo::bar (and not foo:bar), which mostly just breaks
things
phf: right now it's a bit jury rigged
though. most intrusive is
the addition of "keywords"
to scheme.c, i.e. :foo evaluates
to :foo
mircea_popescu: and wrote down
that you're not supposed
to flint, michigan.
mircea_popescu: all
this because
they really wanted
to be as cool as
the euros and didn't comprehend
that faking it
till you make it just gives you saturnism
mircea_popescu: and lest you
think such a
thing is "impossible" : ustards ate off lead plates for many years, and even blamed
tomatoes for hallucinated poisonousness.
mircea_popescu: except if everyone had plutonium induced braindamage from
the fashion of eating plutonium pills
mircea_popescu: even if he may or may not believe any particular building is
the result of some people who did some calculations in private for money.
mircea_popescu: i kinda wonder if naggum had lived
to see b-a, whethger it'd have been passionate love or some sort of weird hate
thing.
assbot: Logged on 20-02-2016 22:20:40; mircea_popescu: moe finds bitcoin in 2056, long after
the republic prevailed,
through his gf at
the
time. he steals her script, copies her .wot directory and now has a node!
mircea_popescu: we had a few
threads about
this. i suppose it's still an open q.
mircea_popescu: that
the concept is poorly implemented is a separable and in fact separate problem from
that
the concept is broken
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform
the sufficient and necessary concrete is readily available and of an abstract kind. i needn't any actual calcium carbonate
to say various
things about various bits of code.
mircea_popescu: currently our substance is drawn specifically from
the fact
that for
the past 2-3 decades,
these
twerps approached
the problem of functionality ("the software doesn't do enough") with nary a clue about
the problem of feedback ("the software does
too much")
mircea_popescu: how so. how
the fuck are you EVER going
to sign off on any code when it is not possible
to say what function call will never do ?
mircea_popescu: what he's
talking about it is fractal
they shall be delivered
thing
mircea_popescu: the principal specification of any machine, not JUST computers, not just software stacks, not just lines of code, is
to specify what it can never do.
mircea_popescu: i do not WISH
to run an "open" which may acquire unspecified powers in
the future if
the caller rubs its belly just right.
mircea_popescu: nevertheless,
the "solution" he contemplates is of
the level of "because inept us-style corporatism displays all
the sechelae you'd expect if you got a bunch of farmers
to say how cars should look, let's everyone run in
traffic!"
mircea_popescu: he is correct in
that foss is mostly a problem unto itself, making
the previous situation worse rather
than better.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform for
the record
this "
the reason
that source access is needed is
the same as
the cause of
the problem:
the inability
to modify system behavior non-intrusively. if one could modify OPEN on any given system
to acquire new behavior _without_ compiling a new OPEN or, even if you did, without re-linking
the entire system (thus
the need for dynamic linking and similar solutions,
too), source code access would
gernika: phf: Had a
terrible vegetarian
thanksgiving dinner at Breitenbush. I did see a naked woman
there
though, as a
teenager.
ben_vulpes: phf: popular place with
the ru folk in
the area
assbot: Logged on 21-02-2016 20:52:04; phf: man, writing scheme is like
trying
to build an eiffel
tower out of
toothpicks
phf: i used
to do
the whole 30 minute run
through winter forest for a cold plunge in прорубь
thing growing up, so i like hotsprings in winter. you get a pretty reasonable crowd around
this
time
too, no idea how it is in summer
mircea_popescu is not
terribly fond of hot springs, for some reason
they attract old folks.
phf: in fact i'm going
to breitenbush
two weeks from now, in
the ben_vulpes area
phf: fwiw cascade range has a bunch of fantastic hot spring places.
there's one next
to Seattle, one next
to portland, i mean of
the
the ones i've been
too. but
there's also numerous holes of course
phf: aah, i'll ask him when he's around, but
that's west coast.
they have great saunas
there
☟︎ phf: oh, is
that some other bathhouse in nyc?
polarbeard: my daily work involves
the rightfully hated javascript
mod6: Ok Gentlemen, I've gotta run for a few here. Jacmet:
Thanks again for stopping in. When you're ready with your new key, stop on back and we'll help you get setup in
the WoT. Cheers!
mircea_popescu: moreover, it's marked for replacement. just, iffy
thing
to replace,
the crypto lib.
mod6: i was sweating
that we were going
to have
to 'roll our own'.
Jacmet: mod6: yes,
the download infrastructure in buildroot will only download if
the
tarball isn't already available in
the dl dir, or you can point it
to a local mirror
mod6: <+Jacmet> mod6: and why
the manual download of openssl/db/boost instead of just letting Buildroot do it? << actually, one
thing I
think we're considering is doing a modification
to buildroot so
that we don't pull its deps over
the wan via rsync. is
there a way, currently,
to just place all of its deps somewhere so it won't rsync?
Jacmet: asciilifeform: E.G. updated openssl,
there's been some security fixes since 1.0.1g
mircea_popescu: Jacmet
tmsr doth not believe in upgrades. on
the contrary,
the versions here count
towards 0.
mod6: np. well, we've been working for quite a while now
to get all of
this
tooling setup
the way we need it. we haven't had a reason
to move forward with
the version.
Jacmet: mod6: and why
the manual download of openssl/db/boost instead of just letting Buildroot do it?
Jacmet: mod6:
thanks. Any specific reason you guys are still on 2015.05?
phf: actually i don't know how
to call
them..
phf: while early in
the game, stable, experimental, uploads and deprecated
assbot: Logged on 02-12-2015 04:13:47; BingoBoingo: "On a personal "hate ramen noodles and
tuna" level, I agree. But my good-for-project-good-for-the-world side says
the OpenBSD Foundation is more effective at growing
the contribution pie and in particular funding
the hackathons where great work happens." -
Theo De Raadt
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> make a 4kb key and use it rather
than
the strange md5 lists or what's
that. << RSA
too.
assbot: Logged on 16-02-2016 16:36:23; asciilifeform: now
the other
thing about openbsd is
the incident with
theo and
that microshit flunkie
ben_vulpes: whats
the connection between key and file hash algos?
Jacmet: ben_vulpes: yes,
the key is from 2009 or so, where
those were
the defaults
ben_vulpes: Jacmet: another
thing worth pointing out are
that sha1 and md5 are obsolete
mod6: Jacmet:
thanks for stopping in.
mircea_popescu: x.org just recently lost
their only asset because of inept "non profit" shenanigans.
☟︎ Jacmet: mircea_popescu: we already have
that (me ;)
mircea_popescu: pick a strong leader in
the form of a person, build your
thing atop pgp sigs and forget
the nonsense fiat.
mircea_popescu: that's a horrible idea if
the wya such
things work out in practice is any guide.
mircea_popescu: so get
that sane key made, reg it and sign an address, i'll send you a coin.
mircea_popescu: and in unrelated news, do you
take bitcoin donations Jacmet ?
Jacmet: asciilifeform: ok, I would be *VERY* interested in comparing
them
assbot: Logged on 21-02-2016 18:56:36; kakobrekla: logs
tell me no one missed me, great :)
Jacmet: asciilifeform: what was
the difference between
the bad/good
tarball? Real rogue code or just interrupted download?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform where was
the line/dpaste ? dja recall ?
Jacmet: asciilifeform: really? We never had reports on
the ml or on irc