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mircea_popescu: do me a favour and don't wait on the voice part so as to dump it together with the rss part, either.
mircea_popescu: i suspect it may not be fully computable. but, sure, we see how it goes.
mircea_popescu: trinque, i dunno that they're to be tracked, it'd be 100% elbow grease of the porter and his beard.
mircea_popescu: this'd take some doing, conceivably, but the someone in question may find the answer to "import or rewrite" favourable on the import side.
mircea_popescu: for instance : bitcoinfs may be found useful by someone storing flac muzak. they'd then copy it from its original tmsr-os / trb tree, and put it in their gp-os / torrent tree.
mircea_popescu: or can have special purpose osen in other ways, and end up with lone trees.
mircea_popescu: depends on dependencies. eg you can have independent arm and x86 osen.
mircea_popescu: whenever the weight of signatures warrants the effort.
mircea_popescu: that's even why eucrypt doesn't want to be outside of the tree of its dependencies, after all.
mircea_popescu: spyked, v presses that as it is now, why not. plenty of examples extant.
mircea_popescu: trinque, not the end of the world, the "author1 thionks author2 is an idiot" can be very mild indeed, "i didn't like the patchlength, collapsed some and regenesised"
mircea_popescu: (the realisation that v-tree management is a lot like playing tetris should probably hit just about now)
mircea_popescu: spyked, why is trilemabot on top of logbot instead of on the side of logbot ?
mircea_popescu: and yes, "the complete tree of all patches ever downstream from tmsr-os genesis" will include ~everything~ we ever made, and there's nothing wrong with that ; and people not caring to keep the complete patchset will keep whatever subs they want, exactly like
http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-09#1794613 ☝︎ mircea_popescu: but should eg, bitcoin-fs be written, then yes trb will exist in the same tree as bitcoin-fs. and should we go as low as tmsr-os, then yes, tmsr-os as genesis will have bitcoin-fs patchzone and then trb patchzone after that. and people wanting to use bitcoinfs for something else can just press up to there and no further. and projects wanting to import bitcoinfs but not trb will just build off that height of tree, and continue
mircea_popescu: well, it's what i understand. what was being denoted ?
mircea_popescu: afaik ben_vulpes made one and trinque the other or somesuch. in general, the cause for this is author1 thinks author2 is an idiot.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: if it were the case that item has >1 dependency, oi1..n, then it would have been resolved by a) picking one and b) introducing as patches into that tree all otheritems 1..n-1.
mircea_popescu: this is factually incorrect. from "item has 1 dependency : otheritem" it follows strictly that item will be a succession of patches on otheritem tree.
mircea_popescu: i don't even know what fucking line. what line ? it's either a genesis or a patchset. that's thje fucking line. what other line ?!
mircea_popescu: i don't get it. you can't press to arbitrary heads now ?
mircea_popescu: and the fact that i have to ask at all, let alone i have to re-ask after an hour's conversation is a very strong marker for a poorly organized mind. you're supposed to know what you're doing, what!
mircea_popescu: so, is the rss bot ~something you're extending irc bot into~ or ~something you're writing de novo~. one and only one may be the case.
mircea_popescu: but be that as it may : there's always going to be good and bad arguments for whatever choice ; but that has no bearing on the fact that you must still choose, and at the time of choice not at whatever time it may occur to you to.
mircea_popescu: spyked, you'll discover you'll do much better working serially.
mircea_popescu: is it that you're writing a new item ? is it that you're extending an extant one ? this is decided FIRST. not "as we go along, and then changed".
mircea_popescu: spyked, yes, but you have to pick something at some point. you can't be doing everything at the same time.
mircea_popescu: "obviously" and "implicitly" are not nearly as friendly as they may seem ; especially in this context.
mircea_popescu: "hey $x (=trinque), i read $y and it makes perfect sense. i intend to do $z"
mircea_popescu: think : if you take the time to say, i don't have to take the time to later ask. it's a penny saved, aka earned.
mircea_popescu: so then properly, the rationale is in the vpatches, something like that.
mircea_popescu: "here's how i expect this to be used : a) ircbot is a basic class ; b) logbot is an extension of it ; c) if you're ever making a rss bot, scavenge the relevant parts off logbot, and put a different vtree on top of ircbot"
mircea_popescu: spyked, so then you were actually going to " writing de novo" ?
mircea_popescu: trinque, is it actually the case ircbot can't do the voicing ?
mircea_popescu: all this communication you opt to not do when it costs you a dime a page i then have to do later, at the cost of a dollar a word. it's fucking bs, save me money.
mircea_popescu: poor communication with the exterior and poor structuring of the internal process. no, it's not AT ALL the same fucking thing, oh, x is vaguely related to y so let's call it all z." the point isn't to make stu over here.
mircea_popescu: instead you just dump an endless pile of diffs that a) do multiple unrelated things and b) don't even betray any awareness of the process involved in all of this.
mircea_popescu: it means this : that instead of explicitly communicating state, a. "i r making rss bot" ; b. "hey trinque wtf, ircbot doesn't do voicing ?" ; c. "o well, stopped making rss bot, making voice module for ircbot to be able to make rss bot later" and THEN 1. pushing a voice patch to ircbot BEFORE d. "back to making rss bot"
mircea_popescu: o brother. what is this, spyked's friendly fuzzing service ?
mircea_popescu: do you have a value for "doing the polarbeard stupid" ? can you explain what it is ?
mircea_popescu: what metaphor! it's an metasyntactic variable, you never encountered before ?!
☟︎ mircea_popescu: THAT is the process. right there. what are you doing, on whose thing, etcetera. it's entirely univocal, what.
mircea_popescu: understand, the only reason we even fucking rewrite things is because the imperial "item of unknown ownership, provenance and parentage" breaks republican process.
mircea_popescu: well, apparently he doesn't know what goes in $x. which... i have nfi how this is possible, but somehow it occured. "i am working on a thing" "who made it" "dunno" "vorwarts, soviet!"
mircea_popescu: nevermind that part for now. do you have a value for $x in "hey $x".
☟︎ mircea_popescu: spyked, it was obvious you were going to implement voicing to make rss bot ? and it was also obvious that you're going to switch state from "making rss bot" to "implementing voice for ircbot so i can proceed with making rssbot", so you didn't announce that either. do you have a value for $x ?
mircea_popescu: well, did you protest that anywhere ? preferably as "hey $x, im trying to use ircbot to make rssbot, but you've not got voice going ?!"
☟︎ mircea_popescu: why's that question take 100s of seconds to process anyway. it can't be ~that~ intricate, just copy a register and return.
mircea_popescu: cool. and trying to do this you discovered ircbot can't actually handle voicing itself ?
mircea_popescu: spyked, so is it then the case you're writing an rss module for icrbot ?
mircea_popescu: if you ask "well, am i extending something or writing de novo", you're participating. if you're doing anything else, you're wanking about ; an activity entirely undistinguishable from chatting up the starbucks waitress or braying under the full moon.
mircea_popescu: when i say "wank" i'm not just using a word for the purpose of filling a conversational hole. that's what wank fucking is, "any activity proceeding without having considered that question".
mircea_popescu: (neither of these options is good. if the former, why the fuck doing the polarbeard stupid, what, not read the logs ? if the latter, umm...)
mircea_popescu: trying to maintain this supposed difference between what you do and who you are is exactly how the office drones manage to use a whole life doing exactly nothing whatsoever. all their juice went to the gap.
mircea_popescu: no. write good code from the get go. there's no room here for "oh, this is the code i wrote, but it's not really who i am". it fucking is who you are, irrespective of what the monkey may be saying in your ear. THAT is what you are.
mircea_popescu: i expect 80% of the cases of "oh, i am being asked too much, this republic sucks" come from exactly this inept "oh, i won't do a good job, and wait for time to resolve it". yes, time will resolve it, but odds are the solution will hurt the butt.
mircea_popescu: ave1, i'm not advanced enough to make much of a teacher ; but commercial speech is a discipline unto itself. i suppose one approach is to keep track of what seduces you and why ; and others. eventually you end up with some kind of mental image.
mircea_popescu: "Gotta eat, gotta live, gotta build the time machine." damn, this is fucking poetic.
mircea_popescu: Mocky, you know, i remember my college by teacher. how else ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, to ask you what you asked me, "It is not clear why it needs cement poured. What, will escape ?" and to answer me what i answered you,
mircea_popescu: especially as it's been the case for > 10 years by now
mircea_popescu: trinque, there's something exquisitely wrong with "we all agree what we did was stupid". well... why'd you do it then ?!!?!?!?!?!?
mircea_popescu: what's the problem, you folk don't have the information superhighway where you live, can't communicate with each other, the trucks of internets don't make it, what is it.
mircea_popescu: oyu know, i've yet to meet the zek who has somewthing ~other~ to say about his secondary education time than "i was an idiot"
mircea_popescu: so i jsut re-read the set ; indeed it is grand. i love reading myself.