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ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: those were running at a what 4x markup or something stiff last i saw?
ben_vulpes: right right well knowing that we booughtcha out i'm asking for a quote hoping (since confirmed) that a new run was in the works or to get one underway
ave1: it does not matter if the linux is glibc or musl, I tested also on a clean ubuntu arm64 image ☟︎
ben_vulpes: and yes asciilifeform mircea_popescu can i get a quote for 96 fg or 100 if that's a more convenient batch size?
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: ah i had some notion that you maxed out at 2 chassis, if we can do it in a single run that'd be great
ben_vulpes: in the meantime, i'll focus on a landing page, wading through the sea of omg that is webhosting forums and planning in detail how to filter the sea, and booting alternatives to extant l1folks for 10kusd btc sales
mod6: we will need a run of FG tho 'eh?
ben_vulpes: http://logs.bvulpes.com/trilema?d=2018-5-15#356068 << anyways, since there's cash on hand and building what i think are 2 trips worth of rockchip plant would get us more than clearing rent, imma push to get the next two plants into fab so that when the price inevitably dips we have a basis on which to capture http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-05#1809922 ☝︎
ben_vulpes: seventeen lmfao i ain't seen more than 2 in a week in recent memory. far more irksome the raw advertisements from which i must sift actual and extremely rare bits of important mail.
asciilifeform: mod6: there's a fictional lever
mimisbrunnr: Logged on 2018-05-15 14:56 asciilifeform: esp given as the fact that the project has cost asciilifeform a good % of his btc and the bulk of his usd
mircea_popescu: o btw asciilifeform , here's a hysterical example of the usual boeckisms : http://trilema.com/2015/the-fetlife-meatlist-volume-i/#comment-125502
mircea_popescu: they ~are~ useful, principally in the sense of giving agent a pile of them when sent on mission. but that's about it.
mircea_popescu: it takes a dose of imbecillity on the level of such displayed in fargo, to use credit card as a means of payment.
mircea_popescu: except the way it works is restaurant/bar/whartever you frequent is stuck hiring the fucktarded neets, who have massive turnover, and are potheads/convicts universally. just a matter of time before one swipes your card, and then go, explain that th4e charges were bogus at restaurant down the street you visit weekly.
asciilifeform: ( at one time i dismissed this as a laborious/rare scam, until met several people who ended up in it )
mircea_popescu: but those 90s items are kind of a dying breed.
mircea_popescu: well sure as fuck not with a card lol. unless i suppose the occasional "platinum iridium black iridiscent" cuck
asciilifeform: it's a konsoomer/smallbiznis retail joint.
asciilifeform: 'small biznis' in usa is a funny thing.
mircea_popescu: who the fuck's gonna give visa 60 days layover on a mn or two.
mircea_popescu: don't a) put yourself in situations where you're overpressured only so that b) you can complain you find yourself in situation of overpressure. whole fucking trick to management, that.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, alrighty, but by now pressure's off you by a degree of magnitude at least. which was the idea, let's put out fires before they catch.
mircea_popescu: lobbes, a cool, so you don't need an introduction then.
mircea_popescu: it'd be indeed surprising if a) anyone selling useful electronics wasn't from china or b) anyone from china couldn't eat wires. and so there you go.
lobbes: mircea_popescu, well, optimally I'd be buying a little btc every certain frequency. Just converted some fiat a month or so ago though buying for pizarro
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: not being a complete idiot, asciilifeform found several independent suppliers of rc.
mircea_popescu: for that matter -- specializing a few localbitcoinists, if this is at all possible, has the advantage of you know -- adding people.
asciilifeform: it doesn't, however, it wires tho. would need a specialized 'localbitcoinist' afaik .
mircea_popescu: so how did a.1 turn into b.1 while a.2 is entirely aside ? no working classifier, what is it ?
asciilifeform: ( tho i'ma prolly still need a hand with those, from other l1 folx with lulazon accts )
mircea_popescu: aand http://btcbase.org/log/2013-09-06#291189 / http://trilema.com/2013/primeasic-most-likely-a-scam/ ☝︎
asciilifeform: worth a test
mircea_popescu: talk to whatever, belgium. denmark. dutchlands. any and all countries work, you want a ~wire~.
mircea_popescu: anyway, considering how little your needs are (what was it, a few k's worth of monthly wire ?), if indeed the whole of localbitcoins can't provide against hard currency, THAT is a qntra lulz item right fucking there.
mircea_popescu: because this situartion whereby "nothing, because something's flawer" is really a 2nd approximation of death.
mircea_popescu: but yes, it is basically a small fetlife from yurp.
mircea_popescu: iirc that was a) a quote and b) re buying btc, not selling it.
a111: Logged on 2015-01-08 05:10 BingoBoingo: As far as anyone knows localbitcoins is 3 Belgians and a 5Is leak.
a111: Logged on 2015-01-28 07:42 mircea_popescu: In Bitcoin this responsibility is based not in law, but fact. LocalBitcoins chose to fart on their plates and some of their weaker customers who trusted them are now ill. It doesn't matter where what was served was contaminated, but that LocalBitcoins served poison. Yes the consumers ought to have known better, but in the future knowing better means escewing a venue that sells turds as sausages on the virtue of both be
mircea_popescu: but in general, you can't leave this as a dangling pointer. it's a significant threat, gotta be defended in depth.
mircea_popescu: re http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-15#1813559 : one important palliative measure would be for ben_vulpes to create a strong presence on localbitcoins, if nowhere else. there's people there willing to do wires for you, and you never know when it comes handy in a pinch. ☝︎☟︎☟︎
jurov: spyked, iirc we used 4 accounts and it took about a month? surely it's in the log ☟︎
diana_coman: so I started ave1's script on a pc and hopefully I'll have a fresh gnat in the morning
asciilifeform: (there's a reason we're even doing ada.)
mircea_popescu: at the very least the attempt will inform the "build a compiler" work.
asciilifeform: it is not possible to say this except when you've never tried to disasm a multiMB turd, what can i say.
mircea_popescu: looky : a) eventually you will have a binary to cut the boostrap knot ; b) that'll have to be audited ; c) the golden standard of auditing is and remains "check the bricks" rather than "verify the bricking process". hence things like the radioactive brick in cement.
diana_coman quit once a "workplace" with the exact: your idiotic problems won't be my problems anymore
diana_coman: it might be my weird optimism but I'd say people are so starved of interesting problems that not-being-idiotic is already a huge reward
asciilifeform: whereas a compiler bug can be a constellation of 9,999 conditions that must occur just-so.
asciilifeform: it is much harder problem , than, say, to clear ALL of the unexploded ordnance from ww2. a mine, whatever else can be said of it, is at least a physical object.
asciilifeform: point being, it is actually considerably easier to write a new ada. ( in lisp or in whatever. )
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: re 'nothing weighs too much', unfortunately this is not so, there are maybe a dozen people who can play, alive, and i actually dun know any of the other 19 , and even a 64kB binturd can be month's work, and problem is not O(n) even.
mircea_popescu: a lot of peripheral, deeply useful work for the intelligent tuned in.
mircea_popescu: and nothing weighs too much. human weight on planet earth is half a trn tons.
diana_coman: asciilifeform, I really get that but onth if I have to get a bin I'd much, much rather get one from you than from adacore
mircea_popescu: we prolly want to hold the complete set as a sort of standard somewhere anyway.
asciilifeform: ( a build on dulap took ~5 hrs )
asciilifeform: can try the 'native' ( it prolly won't run, iirc it needs a musltronic linux )
mircea_popescu: diana_coman, it builds an arm AND a x86 item. using the right one ?
asciilifeform has no objection , if the rest of the board does not, to awarding fella a modest prize , if this in fact worxxx
asciilifeform: 1 step at a time..
a111: Logged on 2018-05-15 21:40 asciilifeform: result is a 100% static, musltronic elf , which runs without problem on any linux on said arch, expecting no dynamic crapola
a111: Logged on 2018-05-15 21:40 asciilifeform: result is a 100% static, musltronic elf , which runs without problem on any linux on said arch, expecting no dynamic crapola
asciilifeform: i.e. the musltronic gnat itself, is a properly static, musltronic elf.
asciilifeform: not a dynamic executable
asciilifeform: not a dynamic executable
asciilifeform: result is a 100% static, musltronic elf , which runs without problem on any linux on said arch, expecting no dynamic crapola ☟︎☟︎
asciilifeform: diana_coman: recall, gnat is a (mostly) ada proggy.
diana_coman: I thought adacore had a gnat for arm too?
asciilifeform: remember, needs a gnat
asciilifeform: i omitted a step 5 ) put in ~/.bash_profile , the path, e.g. PATH="/home/foo/temp/ada/ada-musl-cross-2018-05-15/bin/x86_64-linux-musl/bin/:$PATH"; export PATH
asciilifeform: i built a ch10 ffa with it, and the result runs.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: steps to replicate: 0) on a machine WITH A WORKING GNAT (e.g. adacore's , and it must be in your path already ) 1 ) download the tarball from http://ave1.org/2018/building-gnat-on-musl-now-with-partial-and-parallel-build-support 2) unpack tarball ada-musl-cross-2018-05-15.tgz , go to the dir 3) mkdir bin << this is where the built binariola will live 4) ./build-ada.sh /home/foo/temp/ada/ada-musl-cross-2018-05-15/bin ☟︎
asciilifeform: AAAAAAnd we have a winner! ave1's musltronic gnat builds static, musltronic ffa !!!!
mircea_popescu: a WHOLE RESTAURANT worth of dudes insufficient to produce ~one fucking punch~.
asciilifeform: absolutely, gimme a few m
mircea_popescu shrugs. "just a matter of perspective", right ? and then the proof and the blabla.
asciilifeform: seems to be a long-lived chumpatron, like ethertardium
mircea_popescu: talking of tor feels a little like talking of meni rosenfeld's bitcoin scam. anyone recall that "o ya, bcrypt, best tool on the market" lulzfest ?
mircea_popescu: mod6, i don't even have a problem with the mb, per se, i mean holy hell there's trilema pages consisting of tables or novels or w/e the fuck. but that mb is <1% markup for the love of christ, not 99%.
mircea_popescu: the externalized costs, you know ? suddenly puts into a whole new perspective the "net neutrality" thing. srsly, i must buy more switches cuz your "pages" are larger than my porn collection ?!
mircea_popescu: in utterly other lulz, i just archived a facebook page. anyone care to guess the aggregate byte size ?
mod6: I don't have many "friends" irl or anything, but once we have a landing page, will do what I can on my meat-side.
mircea_popescu: "orcs" is a pet name for about five billion people.
mod6: Yah, and possibly fg. I know there is a sentiment that orcs are not interested in fg -- however, there are people I've talked to who are pretty interested in that. Don't have coins to buy one, however, still, interest is there.
mircea_popescu: suppose there's a facebook group. suppose whatever the fuck, i dunno, i do other things.
mod6: 'tis a nice touch, mircea_popescu
mod6: If we can get a landing page up -- then ya, can do some advertising.
mod6: Well, not a kid, but young guy. So who knows, maybe we'll make him a customer on the shared-environment.
mod6: Well, I did talk to a kid at lunch - told him we got cheap hosting.
ave1: same as last time, ADA_OBJECTS_PATH and ADA_INCLUDE_PATH need to be *not* set. I can add the resetting of these variables to the script, but unsetting a variable is not something I usually do in a script.
a111: Logged on 2018-05-15 13:53 asciilifeform: unless it wants a nonstandard var name ? ( what does it want? there are 0 docs )
ave1: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-15#1813474, it uses MAKEOPTS, could you paste the contents of "build/build-bootstrap/config.sh" ? I will add a readme file to the set. ☝︎
ben_vulpes: no this is incorrect. i am fighting a fire elsewhere right now, will be back as soon as i can.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: sorta why i doubt that the whale is the correct model. not all protein , from our pov, is created equally, a webtard with a few satoshi to his name, does us no good
asciilifeform: for a sec i was thinking 'hmm wat'
a111: Logged on 2018-05-12 07:57 mircea_popescu: reminds me of this chick on fetlife, "So you don't want to have a smart discuss, you're here for what ? What do you research here ? Because I'm agree with your description."
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, ok, but take https://forums.digitalpoint.com/threads/how-to-get-more-traffic.2694475/ : oodlebunches of linda patels having a smart discuss!