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asciilifeform: He can be convinced. Eventually. It took the SC over a year to explain and demonstrate that Java bytecode could not easily be used to subvert the GPL, therefore permitting GCJ to be checked in to the official repository was okay. I'm sure that someday we'll be using C++ in core code. Just not anytime soon.'
asciilifeform: 'Even when the SC is asked to decide something, they never go to RMS when they can help it, because he's so unaware of modern real-world technical issues and the bigger picture. It's far, far better to continue postponing a question than to ask it, when RMS is involved, because he will make a snap decision based on his own bizarre technical ideas, and then never change his mind in time for th
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i don't see the 'no inclination towards work' thing
mircea_popescu: "being flaming imbeciles with no inclination towards work".
asciilifeform: (rms won some sort of prize for gcc, but it was only enough for a few yrs, apparently, and parasites helped to eat it faster)
asciilifeform: it was the '80s, and the man was 'dependently wealthy.'
mircea_popescu: it being the 80s and shit.
mircea_popescu: environment not yet ripe for "fuck you - breaking the law by license!" alexandrine solution
asciilifeform: so no, this was not a pediwikian sort of catastrophe, but worse.
asciilifeform: and while the latter hashed out, the project withered.
asciilifeform: and rms wrote, later, that not doing this was a catastrophic mistake
mircea_popescu: and if a community vote is held to silence the complaints for racist and whatrever,
asciilifeform: as i recall, the original plan was to use some bsd variant
mircea_popescu: he basically saw himself as a sort of jimbo wales. except forgot the part where tardpedia can contain anything, epistula non erubiscit, but the compiler doth complain.
mircea_popescu: various reasons = being flaming imbeciles with no inclination towards work
asciilifeform: and 'stole' the gnu userland, to go with it
asciilifeform: for various reasons, rms et al were unable to produce a usable kernel.
asciilifeform: he had a thing that was supposed to be what linux was
mircea_popescu: what thng again ?
asciilifeform: my current understanding is that he didn't really psychologically weather the hurd thing.
asciilifeform: fungus is available to all.
asciilifeform: proving that it is eminently possible to be eaten alive by fungus ~without~ working directly for usg.
asciilifeform: so at this point i'm satisfied that rms either 1) does not actually use an x60 machine with 'libreboot' ~~or~~ does not program. ☟︎☟︎☟︎
mircea_popescu: or if you prefer, poorly socialised. still entertains the delusion that he'll make a nice woman out of marble and invent a lock that'll keep rats out of his granary.
mircea_popescu: and to take the discussion up a coupla levels of abstraction : this is not a technical problem in any sense. in fact, the only thing that a classification of problems into technical and otherwise says is that ~the classifier~ is broken in the head.
mircea_popescu: this of course means you must support arabic ligature in your kkkapp made specifically to scrawl white supremacist nonsense on virtual toilets in gta4. ☟︎
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mircea_popescu: the reasoning goes, that if arabs have no way of knowing they're arabs, such as for instance if the use of THEIR script happens transparently everywhere, then they won't be able to maintain a sense of nationality and consequently jena bush's tush will remain unmolested.
phf: not to mention that freetype pulls in the whole dodgy freedesktop stack. why do i need 5 different libraries to support arabic ligatures?
phf: his (and mine) pet peve at the time was mandatory freetype (i think that linux's dodgy hinting and antialiasing are worse then running it aliased and at the time i wanted bitmap fonts everywhere)
phf: "why is this freedesktop shit being compiled in with no way of disabling it"
phf: tuomo valkonen has been ranting about that stuff back in 2005 or so
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assbot: Debian User Forums • View topic - Grsecurity/Pax installation on Debian GNU/Linux ... ( http://bit.ly/24x4gZ4 )
asciilifeform: or nm, i think this is in the logz.
assbot: “Has Linux lost its way?” comments prompt a Debian developer to revisit FreeBSD after 20 years | The Changelog ... ( http://bit.ly/1LPWGNH )
asciilifeform: https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/bug-gnu-emacs/2012-08/msg00014.html << the rot goes way back.
asciilifeform: because, among other things, i mistakenly blamed openbsd for this.
phf: of course fact that emacs supports dbus but not a generic ffi goes back to thread about rms and wreckers
phf: i think emacs has dbus support to do fluff like message notification, last time i built it on linux it built without dbus just fine, but i prefer xlib/athena widgets (i know ascii hates them), since i basically disable menu/scrollbar/etc. not sure if maybe gtk widgets now have dbus hardwired
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jurov: ;;later tell fghj ^
PeterL: in other news, my trb node (syncing since January) is now up to July 2014
mircea_popescu: i must have misplaced my copy of the agreement.
mircea_popescu: sorry, should have announced trilema article in advance for cia/nsa/blablabla.
assbot: Logged on 29-02-2016 14:35:18; trinque: deedbot- was connecting to adam.freenode.net successfully, then never appearing here.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-02-2016#1418117 << they have to put in some emergency patches once people here have started blocking dns autoresolution. ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 29-02-2016 13:45:59; asciilifeform: yes, it is better to sleep ad libitum, and wash yourself in the morning with fresh virgin tears and panda milk.
mircea_popescu: PeterL no argument there.
thestringpuller: PeterL: prob why they used to make a lot of escape from new york movies.
assbot: Logged on 29-02-2016 13:35:07; asciilifeform: 'Do I really have to be forced to use accessibility if I want just the gtk gui? I don't have the time needed to learn to modify ebuild, and keep a separate overlay... I want to use Gentoo, not keep building it forever. Do I really have to accomodate for remote seat to be able to use Gentoo? '
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-02-2016#1418093 << accessibility , for the record, is another dns/ntp/font bs. ☝︎
PeterL: world would be better off if they all get sick and die
PeterL: millions of people live in new york, and they all just assume somebody else is keeping their stuff running for them
mircea_popescu: i do not believe anyone alive today can answer this question cogently.
PeterL: I guess my question is: where does NY city pull it's drinking water from? Is it at all connected to the Hudson River?
mircea_popescu: jurov "doing on the side" means, fucking, as an extra, other than current relationship.
mircea_popescu: it's "unmaintainable" ie, unmaintained. once it goes, it goes. start trucking water bottles for 5mn people.
mircea_popescu: PeterL you are aware NOBODY KNOWS what ny water does, not anymore. shit in there that hasn't been touched in 50+ years.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla jurov either of you doing on the side the gfs of any croatian nazi leader doods ? that might know this guy ? lol.
PeterL: yeah, I know about MI water, but NY is leaking into their river, are they taking river water into their drinking water?
mircea_popescu: PeterL no, the water thing is re michigan.
PeterL: It wasn't clear in the story, is the nuclear problem in New York leaking into their water system and poisoning everybody?
mircea_popescu: think about it - by the time a nuclear plant starts crying out for lack of maintenance, how badly maintained was everything else ?
mircea_popescu: and new york has been failing to maintain it's nuclear power plants.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile, water infrastructure has decayed to the point nobody involved EVNE KNOWS you can't drink from lake then switch to river
assbot: Logged on 29-02-2016 14:36:29; trinque: https://freenode.net/ << "Making freenode great again..." lolwut
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-02-2016#1418119 << quite psychanalizable, ftr. notice the spurt of "make x great again" ever since 2015 or so. ☝︎
PeterL: trinque: I wonder if we ever get gossipd to replace freenode, will we still have these sorts of connection problems?
trinque: switched to the chat.freenode.net rotation, joins.
trinque: deedbot- was connecting to adam.freenode.net successfully, then never appearing here. ☟︎
trinque: wtf happened to freenode this weekend?
assbot: Logged on 25-08-2014 03:08:03; asciilifeform: busy as a bee << funny that they show an idiot sow scrubbing, and not, e.g, paul erdos crapping out theorems
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-08-2014#808005 << related thread. ☝︎
asciilifeform: caffeine etc. users are not typically faced with a mircea_popescutronic choice of 'should i dope or should i sleep how much i want and bathe in virgin tears.' more often, it is a 'i WILL get 4 hrs. of sleep and there is nothing to be done about it. will it be 4 hr and then i fall asleep at my desk and get sacked or 4 hr of being reasonably awake.'
asciilifeform: than to take dope.
asciilifeform: yes, it is better to sleep ad libitum, and wash yourself in the morning with fresh virgin tears and panda milk. ☟︎
assbot: Logged on 29-02-2016 07:13:02; mircea_popescu: contrary to a whole lot of gargle, the list of +ev usage is ~empty.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-02-2016#1418038 << does mircea_popescu remember the sleep ad libitum thread ? ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 29-02-2016 06:37:37; phf: it was mostly a rhetorical question, i just think that once you cross certain line with a substance, perhaps it's worthwhile to try something different. but since coffee guzzling is mostly done from lack of attention, perhaps it's not a good idea
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-02-2016#1418017 << there are devil knows how many people who would be on dope if they had any way of getting to it. ☝︎
asciilifeform: 'go to war with the army you have.'
asciilifeform: but there are really not so many folks soldiering on to keep the last usable linux quasi-alive.
asciilifeform: rovis reminds me more than ANYONE of dragos ruiu.
asciilifeform: 'Launching Tor Browser Bundle for Linux in /tmp/tor-browser_en-US XPCOMGlueLoad error for file /tmp/tor-browser_en-US/Browser/libxul.so: libdbus-glib-1.so.2: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory'
asciilifeform: gold from the commentz:
asciilifeform: 'Do I really have to be forced to use accessibility if I want just the gtk gui? I don't have the time needed to learn to modify ebuild, and keep a separate overlay... I want to use Gentoo, not keep building it forever. Do I really have to accomodate for remote seat to be able to use Gentoo? ' ☟︎
asciilifeform: 'Most of those are conditional dependencies (useflag ? ...), and I checked and all of those with dbus ? sys-apps/dbus) have -dbus or no dbus at all in the output of emerge -p. But if I try and check dependencies on those that do depend on dbus...: ...it appears that if gtk+ with useflag X can't work without accessibility/at-spi2-atk ...'
asciilifeform: 'Somebody seems to have been joking with portage, and not in a nice way (maybe they aim at hurting the feelings of some pizza delivery guy, because that's not illegal like hurting animals)... '
punkman: "basically, Grsecurity fixes what Linus leaves open and unprotected for whichever reason in the GNU/Linux kernel, and that seems to annoy the genius very much... It's a real though subdued war out there, and Grsecurity had a moment of mild failure for a few days, exactly after a major contribution by, wait, wait!... by the Dear Leader himself..."
assbot: Gentoo Forums :: View topic - Air-Gapped Gentoo Install, Tentative ... ( http://bit.ly/1QQ8rv1 )
asciilifeform: by the author of https://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-p-7558880.html#7558880
assbot: Gentoo Forums :: View topic - Uninstalling dbus and *kits (to Unfacilitate Remote Seats) ... ( http://bit.ly/1QQ8p6l )
asciilifeform: 'Even without adding D-Bus to the default runlevel it often will get started by D-Bus dependent services. This should explain why D-Bus mysteriously gets started even though it has not been added formally added to a system runlevel.'
eth2: i guess you've had quite a lot of visitors today haha
BingoBoingo: hai thur
mircea_popescu: anyway b6 make yourself a key get in teh wot.
b6: In response to them allowing miners to use classic
b6: The guy on BTC-T claiming he shut down f2pool this week
ben_vulpes: straight from the streets yo