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SuchWow: whatever, it's literally true, it's just a tag, get over it lol
ben_vulpes: i'll not talk to any 'staff-emeritus' in pm
ben_vulpes: !up SuchWow if you have complaints to render feel free to do so here
ben_vulpes: ah and assbot yelled at me too
ben_vulpes: yeah, i saw the second go through, but i don't think there's a guarantee that *you* did the second one.
ben_vulpes: cazalla: good to see you key in hand
ben_vulpes: i am also curious to hear about how long the bitcoind recompile is in your various workflows, asciilifeform, phf, mod6, punkman, jurov ☟︎☟︎☟︎☟︎
assbot: Logged on 03-02-2016 16:52:56; ascii_butugychag: blackhole results when the worker thread (the one that handles nearly everything) is wedged
ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-02-2016#1395250 << asciilifeform what was the actual trigger for the blackhole? requesting a specific transaction? ☝︎☟︎
botneko-chan: I'm using bitcoin and like it, but wasn't tracking fork-related discussions before someone payd for DDoS'ing Classic
ben_vulpes: not interested in btc politics botneko-chan ? just in it for the ddos?
botneko-chan: not for cents, there is need to design overlay network for faster low-fee small payment processing instead of increasing block size
botneko-chan: I'm actually not very interested in btc politics, but in my opinion if increase block size then miners would get less profit from tx processing when there would be no new btc mined. Mining would become non-rentable and hashpower will decrease after some time then making easier for someone to get 51% just by turning on ol ASIC that was turned off because of low profit. I'm okay with current blocks and higher fees, in my o ☟︎
ben_vulpes: what do the Core people think about increasing the block size?
botneko-chan: I mean main bitcoin dev team and so, not a forks like Classic or XT
botneko-chan: I support Core too
ben_vulpes: there's no actual panic, botneko-chan. there are a zillion for-hire-for-pennies social media accounts supporting some nsa plants attempts to matter with kindergarten grade psyops.
botneko-chan: Why all that panic about filled up backlog and slow transcations? Sent btc today with 0.0005 fee and it got 6 confirmations in 2h
ben_vulpes: wtf this was working yesterday
ben_vulpes: running the /exact same/ bitcoind command runs something that i can telnet into and scream lisp at
ben_vulpes: while last night the swank flags worked just handily, tonight, passing the swank flag to a booting bitcoind results in an error, "too short", from scheme.cpp
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assbot: Merle Haggard -- Are The Good Times Really Over - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/21yCNY1 )
ben_vulpes: there's one for the dustbin.
ben_vulpes: flycheck just deleted the contents of an entire buffer ☟︎
deedbot-: [Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski] Waiting for Taleb. - http://www.contravex.com/2016/02/29/waiting-for-taleb/
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: and the reason you picked tinyscheme over say ecl is...footprint? dreppers in ecl?
asciilifeform: ^ these are prolly the only 100% open x86 box presently made
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: prototyped on one of these, https://rhomberg.org/images/apu-oberseite.jpg
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: that's sorta how it is meant to work.
mircea_popescu: i could see even dedicating a box to this.
asciilifeform: it means that the crud doesn't affect the valid payloads.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: that's what 'line speed' means.
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> if so much as 1 packet per billion is valid. << this sounds like the ticket.
asciilifeform: not much in terms of moving parts, ought to handily fit in a nic boot rom.
asciilifeform: the idea is very simple, anybody who really wants to can pick his favourite nic chipset and implement.
asciilifeform: i will pick this back up again when there is reason to.
mats: did you actually write the routines in asm?
asciilifeform: mats: the idea is, a kind of line-speed (GB ethernet) wall, where crud goes in, and valid in-wot gossipd out. ☟︎
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: i have a (unpublished, for good reasons) prototype that doesn't have 'kernel' or 'userland' at all, but just this bare metal thing that sets up the nic ring buffer (coreboot payload) and loops, checks rsa, retransmits on other nic...
ben_vulpes: because the counterparty in this conversation is not thinking of gossipd as a device but a proggy that runs on a computer.
ben_vulpes: "pff line speed. you still need to get the buffered packets from the kernel into userspace, and that's an abstraction you'll have a hard time getting around."
ben_vulpes: "yeah man! big challenge though is to get it to operate at line speed."
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes> got someone bought in on the "drop on first packet or gtfo" mentality, but still have to conquer the "well first you have to transfer the IP buffered packets into user space" mindset <<< can you say this in other words ?
ben_vulpes: mwell now that you ask...
ben_vulpes: "because lol what we're going to fab our own chips?"
ben_vulpes: got someone bought in on the "drop on first packet or gtfo" mentality, but still have to conquer the "well first you have to transfer the IP buffered packets into user space" mindset
ben_vulpes: the fbi's side - why would they argue apple's side?
ben_vulpes: the only line i have for coworkers and plebs on this topic is "you haven't thought for half a second why the /nsa/ didn't bring this suit?"
asciilifeform: met in the flesh ?
asciilifeform: now i gotta ask, how does mircea_popescu know that it was 'actual woman'
asciilifeform: ^ thesis
mircea_popescu: reverse compilation techniques etc
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform women in tech.
asciilifeform: and wow, that name was buried in the nethermost depths of my skull before this convo.
mircea_popescu: for they not blessed with knowledge of actual languages, there's significant aspectual difference between "is to produce" which talks of the state, like to be, and "produces", which talks of movement.
mircea_popescu: and i appreciate your "is to produce" construction :)
asciilifeform: (the ultimate thermonuclear version of this is to ~randomly generate~ a cpu arch, instantiate on an fpga ~and generate a compiler~, and compile for THAT! and i was very sad as a student to discover that one cristina cifuentes invented this long before i did)
mircea_popescu: where this comparison breaks down is that your biology is fundamentally cunt-based and perl-run. you necessarily respirate the ddt. meanwhile, your mental life is supposed to be hermetic and under your control. you shouldn't fucking respirate the environment wtf.
phf: i thought whole exercise is to produce byte to byte equivalent binaries, as another step in verification process. "sealed vpatches -> press -> binary -> shasum"
asciilifeform: gotta decide how much ddt you want to spray in your living room.
mircea_popescu: the brothel is also "just another way for housewife to win", at least according to her.
mircea_popescu: so then.... still not sure this is wrong.
mircea_popescu: heck, isn't the whole v system technically speaking just this ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i was tempted throughout eulora lifetime to go "fu, no binaries, compile, always". and i can still contemplate why this would be the case with trb.
mircea_popescu: in other news, til i learned that the criteria for "fridge big enough" is : if one discrete item won't fit, push. if it now fits, fridge is big enough. if it still won't fit, "wtf is with these tiny-ass euro style fridges already!!1"
asciilifeform: but this is simply yet another way for mosquitoes to win.
asciilifeform: this is only a good thing in the sense that spraying ddt in every room of your house is.
mircea_popescu: not even sure this is wrong.
phf: asciilifeform: they take a "we'll make sure to break abi, rebuild from source every time" position
phf: node was running fine inside a virtualbox openbsd though, same one that i built it on.
phf: now that there was a suggestion of treating specific openbsd version as baseline, i think problem was that i built in on one openbsd and tried running on another
assbot: Logged on 11-01-2016 05:13:29; phf: the goal was to run it on a libretto and try to eat the first couple of blocks, but it wouldn't even connect to rpc for whatever reason, so i gave up on the whole distraction
assbot: Logged on 11-01-2016 05:12:12; phf: ben_vulpes: i'll take at look in the next few days, but one quick comment, fwiw i built it on a 32-bit openbsd.
fluffypony: btw did anyone else notice that RealSolid is back?
fluffypony: Bitcoin should switch to the Timekoin codebase
fluffypony: ben_vulpes: because PHP is secure and easy to use
ben_vulpes: why are all of the self-hosted rss readers written in php
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: Seriously, they heated their Ether up into a gas?! No wonder it is already hardforking everywhere.
assbot: [BTC-dev] The Bitcoin Foundation: STATE OF BITCOIN ADDRESS ... ( http://bit.ly/1ndQyZg )
assbot: Logged on 29-02-2016 23:13:58; *: ben_vulpes shits in sink, eats from toilet bowl, never knew to do anything else before 2013
ben_vulpes: https://github.com/ethereum/EIPs/blob/master/EIPS/eip-2.mediawiki and https://github.com/ethereum/EIPs/blob/master/EIPS/eip-7.md, although the latter is only noted as a hardfork on a blog page
BingoBoingo: oh? did they drop the old bottle with the precipitated peroxides already?
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BingoBoingo: Dropped in low-s a month or two (mebbe 3) before trb, has -minrelaytx flag, from trb orphanage slaughters and malleus were definitely implemented. Other things but would take reading to recall them.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: On OpenBSD. It's the one I chopped together mostly while drunk and still works.
asciilifeform: the idea is to categorically cut off the very possibility of drepper existing.
mircea_popescu: besides, as per satoshi's argument ("no, don't bring it on"), might not be the smartest thing in the world to give drepper incentive to exist on bsd anyway
asciilifeform: now rotor is not ~quite~ as necessary on bsd, because drepper is absent there. BUT we still need deterministic nailed-down toolchain, esp. for when we finally do the deterministic binary thing.
asciilifeform: but no one, to date - rotor.
BingoBoingo: I have a partially trb-icized 7 series in the name of implementation pluralism. No earthly idea what all changes happened.
assbot: Logged on 29-02-2016 20:19:25; asciilifeform: anyone ever build a working trb on openbsd ?
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-02-2016#1418478 << i vaguely recall BingoBoingo sort-of trying ☝︎
mircea_popescu: nono, in flavor of linux. like, in the style of bosch.
ben_vulpes: what flavor of linux though?
assbot: Logged on 29-02-2016 19:42:04; trinque: and obviously the hardware's all rotten too; I get that, but that's not an argument in favor of linux.
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BingoBoingo: I don't really have chicory around this time of year
BingoBoingo: Ah, a couple days after I open a can I'll start adding cold milk to it when I pour for the same reason
jurov: but i started to mix it with cereal/chicory coffee to make it easy on stomach