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mircea_popescu: asciilifeform would you say a man is a communist who goes to the casino every weekend and plays either blackjack or roulette as he feels like it that day, because really, the house edge is not the same ?
mircea_popescu: seems to me that if you have nine girls and one penis, fucking each ~weekly is not in any sense communism, but just as you say, good ol' agreement & conjugal peace.
asciilifeform: being a lord, as i see it, is not about balancing pencils on their points, but pushing the pencil in your CHOSEN direction and ~standing by~ the decision for the rest of your life.
mircea_popescu: bitcoin addresses aren't acceptable proof of identity (such as for instance through that "signing" kludge) specifically for this reason.
PeterL: not expecting help, just completely lost as to where your question connects to mine?
mircea_popescu: if you are going to make other determinations than who won a bet, might as well put a 50% tax on the richest 10% or w/e the french fashion is these days.
solrodar: danielpbarron: But you evidently apply the same principle to fiat bank accounts as well. Anything else? Your dog has just jumped in my window, is it my dog now?
mircea_popescu: so yes, i can appreciate the sentiment, infantile such as it is. guy means well, i'm sure. but in point of fact he is so far removed from relevancy in any conceivable approach to the issues, that there's really very little to be said.
mircea_popescu: davout> https://bitbet.us/bet/1249/alphago-will-defeat-lee-sedol-overall-in-march/#c5888 <<< guy has a point << lemme tell you a story. when i was a kid, i don't recall exactly, 5, 6, something, my mother was very sad over i have no idea what - being as i was too young to comprehend the emotions and problems of adults. but to cheer her up i decided to make her a dress! to which purpose i proceeded to cut off the shiny
nubbins`: "GPG signed contracts are no good if they can't be enforced." actually they've fulfilled their purpose precisely as intended here
danielpbarron: why should anyone send coin back? as far as they should be concerned the extra payment had nothing to do with bitbet
gribble: About as likely as pigs flying.
diametric: about the same as walking around a major city i imagine.
trinque: mrottenkolber: consider that as specified the total source code involved in a vtron can *decrease* drastically from here.
asciilifeform: (~understand~ meaning FULLY, as in - ~all~ edge cases)
mod6: well, i guess i can appreciate that. i was simply going to write a V in Ada as a way to learn Ada.
mrottenkolber: Which is probably less cryptographically “secure” as sha1 (wild guess)
mrottenkolber: So I learned today that git does't use sha1 as I thought, but its own git-hash-object
phf: nah, above paste is a hack that repeats the steps that git goes through in order to verify a signature on a commit (as seen here https://github.com/git/git/blob/f02fbc4f9433937ee0463d0342d6d7d97e1f6f1e/commit.c#L1124), and purpose is to answer the question "wtf does git sign"
mircea_popescu: incidentally : the ancient myths of "person-in-construction" have a practical backing in the roman practice of using fat and sometimes blood as a plasticizer in concrete.
gernika: aparently also uses random items such as various tupperware containers.
asciilifeform: but yes, like kalash, it is not built for comfort of the wielder so much as for maximum effect.
ben_vulpes: and only if used as a hammer and not microscope.
asciilifeform: as per mircea_popescu's formula.
mircea_popescu: well alternatively one could also shit on exposed cable and let the bits sort themselves into software as they will
ben_vulpes: perhaps the *other* way to go about this is simply to make patches against the base 0.5.3, and then anyone wanting to apply them may do so in whatever order they choose, resolving conflicts as they feel.
phf: mechanism has nothing to do with "mercurial" as such, and is more akin to old school patch management system, "quilt"
assbot: Logged on 22-03-2016 20:49:10; mircea_popescu: if someone, as oft is the case for say mod6, is trying to make the whole pile of what was said abvout X, they encounter a very present difficulty.
mircea_popescu: if someone, as oft is the case for say mod6, is trying to make the whole pile of what was said abvout X, they encounter a very present difficulty. ☟︎
phf: we're an anarcho-syndicalist commune. we take it in turns to act as a sort of executive officer for the week.
mircea_popescu: well if you're curious, free money is the basis for the existence of the republic which is the reason stuff like v ended up existing. but i suppose from outside this string of actual events may as well be coincidental.
asciilifeform: v and bitcoin are related by happenstance, as git and linux kernel were.
asciilifeform: well suppose you have a box which accepts patches via email, as jurov has.
phf: mrottenkolber: a better place to wire v would be mercurial's mq facility. mercurial has a way of managing plaintext patchsets, to do things like patch refresh, i.e update the contents of patch from the current tree state, mercurial managed patch press, i.e. instead of doing "manual" v press hg will keep track of state for you, etc. this will not be a way to share patches, as much as a way to facilitate vpatch authoring.
mrottenkolber: which is possible, just not as convenient
asciilifeform: v is so as to put an end to this idiocy.
asciilifeform: which you did not need a program for, could have done it without me just as well
mrottenkolber: My point is the toposort isn't really part of the problem v solves. The function is to cryptographically verfiy a sequence of patches (based on a wot), who cares where that sequence comes from, as long as each patch (commit) has a signature.
asciilifeform: ( giant, flattens thousands of orcs by wielding an old piece of junk, for as long as he can )
asciilifeform: 'As I said, the Washington régime is just as hated within the US as it is around the world, if not more. Trump's slogan of “Make America great again!” may sound overly ambitious, but what if his promise is to make America great again at exactly one thing—throwing members of the Washington régime on the ground and stomping on their heads until they pop? I am pretty sure that he can get this done.'
assbot: Logged on 22-03-2016 00:16:30; asciilifeform: (the real question is why usg would ever admit to it - whole point of the charade was to build precedent-setting verdict. i suppose this outcome became in doubt, and whole thing was brought to what is intended as a quiet burial ?)
mod6: right, they said something about C/C++/et.al that have a loop construct such as 'do/while' 'for' 'foreach' etc, as a defect in the lang. lol
asciilifeform: as in, e.g., scheme
asciilifeform: it is a very painful thing, to work in. to the point that as early as the first months folks made jokes that it was a ploy to bog down soviet research establishment, plan being that they would copy it and grind to a halt !
asciilifeform: as in, physical
phf: asciilifeform: etsy as failed woman minimax, sort of the opposite of theorems
phf: asciilifeform: nah, was actual blog, i started reading it when it had coherent topical posts, but studying their history, it started as snippets and gradually acquired features. like early posts were straight up logs, later names were stripped and only text from "posters" retained, etc.
asciilifeform: trinque: nowhere in what crapple sells is there to be found anything posing so much as a temporary annoyance to hitler.
trinque: I'm nearly done with my deedbot- rewrite; I could add this as well. deed the list of tags per $interval or something
mircea_popescu: as this stuff usually works, eh.
asciilifeform: largely as i know mircea_popescu.
asciilifeform: i know hanbot, as she knows i, largely by works.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: on their corpses, not them as such
hanbot: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-03-2016#1437059 << that sounds like the most sane solution on tap for efficiency & accuracy both. and honestly...crawling back through the last coupla weeks' logs to study this i couldn't really be paid. much as i'd like to lend some time to folks actually doing good work, this place is reeking rotten already. ☝︎
asciilifeform: (the real question is why usg would ever admit to it - whole point of the charade was to build precedent-setting verdict. i suppose this outcome became in doubt, and whole thing was brought to what is intended as a quiet burial ?) ☟︎
assbot: Logged on 21-03-2016 23:50:23; mircea_popescu: for the record, and to revisit that old definition of "public" ie the forum vs "private" ie the gynacaeum, something is public when it has what has been here referred to as a "real" part. ie, when it is possible to make a definition for it that is meaningful for everyone.
asciilifeform: but the thing about 'may as well not be visible' is dead on
mircea_popescu: for the record, and to revisit that old definition of "public" ie the forum vs "private" ie the gynacaeum, something is public when it has what has been here referred to as a "real" part. ie, when it is possible to make a definition for it that is meaningful for everyone. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: ematics is known as a pole. attempts to create a netherworld between the sharply divergent f(x) and f(x+e) is what i've recently discovered - through the usual stepping on research process - to be a landmine.
ben_vulpes: what, people don't maintain their own list of books as suggested by the individuals in chan?
trinque: as long as the filesystem in question lets me find things rapidly by searching over metadata, I will happily give up my black boxes of such
asciilifeform: just as running water strongly enables, but does not guarantee, hygiene
asciilifeform: whole point of the instrument is to ~make it possible for there to be such a thing as a Who~
asciilifeform: now i could be wrong, entirely, and this-is-as-solved-as-it-gets
assbot: Logged on 21-03-2016 19:49:37; mircea_popescu: yeah, sure, not a difficult one for as long as one lives on imaginary half mil a year and theorizes away. in practice, it will not be seen, nor has it.
mircea_popescu: yeah, sure, not a difficult one for as long as one lives on imaginary half mil a year and theorizes away. in practice, it will not be seen, nor has it. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: mod6 that is the crux of the problem. there is no such thing as separatability in software anyway.
nubbins`: asciilifeform multi-bit vector pgp sounds about as rat-nesty as a tag-based log tracking system
jurov: btw, i have misread first mention of it as "vectored thrust" and imagined "wow S.NSA is finally onto ICBMs. Or space program?"
asciilifeform: i still don't see why we can't have machine-distinguishability of 'i swear this is as i found it 5 years ago' vs 'i read and understood this' vs 'i wrote this and swear with my life that it will not fail'
jurov: i consider whole trb thing as something that demands my full attention, and there's always something more urgent to do...
assbot: Logged on 10-11-2015 22:25:29; mircea_popescu: ie, there, "it's not the job of the state to protect the cultural patrimony OF INDIVIDUALS and their clans ; if those individuals and clans are so degenerate, bankrupt and chlorotioc as to no longer be able to protect their heritage, let the worms havce it. no, not even for comunist metaphisics ; no, the property of x isn't "ours", no x's history isn't "ours". let them uphold it or let it die.
asciilifeform: as in the given example with mircea_popescu and vintage bitcoin
trinque: I don't think all the reasons for "why do I hate" can be represented usefully as a machine-grokkable header
asciilifeform: right now i am stuck simply ~refusing to sign~ as a means of expressing disapproval
asciilifeform: i even thought about subservient keys of some kind, to express disapproval / 'i-found-it-as-it-no-endorsement', etc.
asciilifeform: (i found it necessary to distinguish signing 'i wrote this' from 'i modified' from 'i found it as is')
jurov: i don't have acct there, not interested so much as to solve their impossible captchas
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-03-2016#1437059 << fixing the search so it actually behaves sanely (EQUIVALENT TO GREP) would be almost as useful ☝︎
BingoBoingo: Also in the latest qntra the Union flag as ether rag is apparently a srs thing, except they call it the "American" flag
nubbins`: asciilifeform you missed the "do as mp says" rule?!?!
mats: nor making use of the matter as an opportunity to air grievances
mircea_popescu: would have helped to write it down. as the original article asked, as the rebuff to the original nubbins` said, and so on. two weeks ago, whatever.
mircea_popescu: understand how matters of fact work. judge sits down, lets the witness in. witness tells a story. bystanders ask whatever the fuck questions they want. witness answers if he feels like it, and remembers, and has anything to say. at the end of the day, bystanders can as pompously as they wish declare they're not coinvinced. matters not one iota. either better theory is formed, or the thing stands.
asciilifeform: i mean, mircea_popescu can do whatever he likes with his toys, but let's not pretend that the matter was settled as some kind of actual argument in the phorum
assbot: Logged on 20-03-2016 23:50:19; mircea_popescu: looky, that nonsense isn't going to snivel into factuality just because butthurt. chinese miner conspiracy is a fact, undisputed and accepted as such.
mircea_popescu: looky, that nonsense isn't going to snivel into factuality just because butthurt. chinese miner conspiracy is a fact, undisputed and accepted as such. ☟︎
kakobrekla: or maybe mp can go "i, mp, have through a series of mistakes made a double payment and will now pretend it was a chinese conspiracy, say publicly i did it masochistically but actually bill it sadistically to the company as a made up war expense"
kakobrekla: the point is that i agreed to do bitbet back then as long as mp is responsible and liable for bitcoins (as per thread - i refused to handle them)- which he no longer wants to be
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'Царь справедливый и тиран. Не одинаковы бывают. Так хлебопашец и кабан. По-разному поля взрыхляют.' << i found in yellowed vintage volume of transl. of persian poetry to ru, as a kid
mircea_popescu: might as well use vi then, equally unaware of the world.
mircea_popescu: (if you think about it, worst cinematic villain line of all time, most insulting to "the gods" of the viewer ? "you will never be as good as me." o noes!)
mircea_popescu: going to church, just as good as living well ; and then when going to church is too much trouble, going to protestant church "inside oneself" just as good as going to the proper one.
mircea_popescu: so then, in this perspective, balabusta (fat jewish housewife), who is absolutely the apotheosis of bourgeois society, will make clam chowder (just as good as) out of whatever it is she finds in her pantry, such as for instance beans.
mircea_popescu: no wonder and no explanation needed that darwin became such a religious lightning rod. theory of... "evolution". there's no evolution involved in darwinism, per se. a wasp today has "evolved" just as much and for just as long as jane austin "evolved".
mircea_popescu: going to unversity, just as good as thinking. fast food, just as good as food.
mircea_popescu: reading dickens, just as good as having a life. reading age of exploration crud, just as good as having travelled.
mircea_popescu: such as : reading jane austen, just as good as falling in love, except cheaper and safer. no fluids involved.
mircea_popescu: phf the whole premise of bourgeois society is "me too". apprentice wizard "becoming" "just as good" as wizard. sons becoming just as good as fathers. seedling becoming just as tree as the tree.
asciilifeform: as in metallurgy.