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mp_en_viaje: i just don't understand what two things we're comparing.
BingoBoingo: Assorted news landings submitted for the historical record: https://archive.is/WYl3C https://archive.is/FxPWb Some lulz present including "The peso didn't fall, the USD just happened to climb 30% in a day"
asciilifeform: can't seem to find in o(1) tho
mp_en_viaje: "its world" being even the reason these fucks haven't yet starved ; but w/e.
mp_en_viaje: after seeing the line-of-cabs edifice of socialism this doesn't even strike me as unlikely
mp_en_viaje: nowadays they don't even PERMIT monte carlo, the new (transparently java) craps have like 10-15-20-25 four options for a bid sort of thing
snsabot: Logged on 2018-04-18 21:58:18 mircea_popescu: in unrelated news : i can't recommend the dsc-rx100 quite warmly enough. it's a splendid sony compact with zeiss lenses that's easily the best camera i ever saw.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-12 10:47:00 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-12#1927873 << can't resist to ask, for what might 'need' it ? oddball 1990s format ??
mp_en_viaje: just... there's the obvious cut that the server dpesn't specifically care whether ny client is up or down ; yet each client cares whether server exists or doesn't. well... so to the victor go the spoils then, let the curious ask.
asciilifeform: haven't observed , in particular, the effect mentioned by spyked
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: tried to make 'new tab'ism go this morning, when spyked mentioned it, but it'll take some fiddling -- interacts poorly with the regexp-based link highlighting i used in this hasty drumhead logger. so prolly won't happen until much later.
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-12#1927928 << i'd rather you just leave links plain ; but i don't have that strong feelings on the matter.
mp_en_viaje: because that can't be taught, obviously.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-09 04:02:39 mp_en_viaje: 3) the whole of it was always hanging out with the cool people. i don't mean, "cool", as in, swag. i mean cool as in david lynch quote above, dork bought a 12 room house for $3500 in th worst gangland he could find for his wife and newborn kid and lived there, "the fear was palpable"
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-12#1927917 << i don't think that's the ~main~ issue. i think that's the secondary issue ; with the main issue being http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-09#1926670 -- specifically that anything crawling out of cunt can be taught to be polite, socially inocuous, culturally unobtrustive, etc. but NOT everything can be taught to have something to say, a driver inside, the thing here sometimes
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-12 10:37:04 spyked: hm, I think he was on #t at some point tho?
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-12#1927873 << can't resist to ask, for what might 'need' it ? oddball 1990s format ??
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-12 06:08:14 diana_coman: I also ctrl-click so didn't notice but I don't see the reason to bake in "new window"
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-12#1927817 << it's actually on the list, simply didn't make it into the 1st ver. asciilifeform for instance sometimes reads log on pnojes and similar keyboardless terminals, it is handy there.
spyked: hm, I think he was on #t at some point tho?
asciilifeform: diana_coman: they don't come with the interpreter ( hence mentioned as deps )
diana_coman: in fairness, I don't use python much - last time I used it was years ago for generating the Eulora cookbook aka a bunch of static html pages from various data
diana_coman: asciilifeform: it turns out I don't even usually have flask and psycopg2 on my machines
mp_en_viaje: i didn't mind it so much twenty-odd years ago, but meanwhile apparently it's become intolerable.
mp_en_viaje: let them figure out how to grow girls that don't look like little boys.
mp_en_viaje: and no, the difference isn't the tits.
diana_coman: mp_en_viaje: it's "amusing", right? that "oh, how funny you are trying to do something, how entertaining" is such great heights of being great, I can't even
mp_en_viaje: (i end up leaking these in because of other software written by finnicky people who don't like / or * because "there are correct signs for that")
mp_en_viaje: lobbes, and × aka c397 also ? these aren't THAT exotic are they ?
diana_coman: ftr it didn't even have a link, just a plain sentence (too plain?)
mp_en_viaje: also explains why it never goes that way, like you say. if it's something you only do when you're poor, there's never going to be olympics of it -- those guys ain't poor.
diana_coman: but somehow they still seem perfectly able to go about it until they die (and apparently they don't die of boredom either)
spyked: diana_coman, ty for the reference. btcbase does distinguish ctcp from the rest of msgs by... removing the ":" after the nick. I don't think it's a big deal either way, just noticed it while reading html log.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-11 11:03:43 diana_coman: asciilifeform: actions seem to show in logger as text said rather than in any way different; is that intended? I don't quite grok what's the thing with *nick then?
diana_coman: I also ctrl-click so didn't notice but I don't see the reason to bake in "new window"
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-11 22:33:12 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i can't resist to ask, didja actually work through the ro, or relying on googlefish etc ? cuz if it's the latter, yer certain to step on some sharp nails
mp_en_viaje: and i always ctrl-click anyways so i don't notice ; but i suppose might be desirable for some ? though, why have it baked in when you have the ctrl key to make up your own adventure ?
mp_en_viaje: spyked, honestly i wouldn't support the distinction.
asciilifeform: note also that ~this~ alone wouldn't turn it to barf, the above lines logged and display correctly
snsabot: Logged on 2019-06-23 17:34:06 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-23#1919680 << fwiw asciilifeform has not used 'portage' in year+ -- the heathen portage finally 100% broke then. ( 'updated' on the gentooist end, so that no longer agrees to build ~anything~ without 'new profile', and won't install 'new profile' because hard-contravenes asciilifeform's poetteringisms ban list... )
asciilifeform: climbing upstack, http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-11#1927615 << lobbes why is this ? i haven't encountered yet a pythonism that actually ~demands~ 'pip', they're all installable manually (and/or, on older gentoo boxen not yet hosed -- via 'portage' )
lobbes: As for *why* these have rotted so: I am not sure. My best guess is that it is because my current #e logotron does many copy operations per hour from the ZNC files (though this is just a stab in the dark; I really don't know if this would cause bitrot)
lobbes: though still puzzled why last clearsigned version didn't deed... I checked a few more times for sanity and the sig verified for me
lobbes: speaking of deedbot down, I can't deed, but new output of #eulora ZNC logz at: http://logs.minigame.biz/eulora_log_2015_to_2019.txt.asc
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i can't resist to ask, didja actually work through the ro, or relying on googlefish etc ? cuz if it's the latter, yer certain to step on some sharp nails
snsabot: Logged on 2017-03-30 10:50:38 asciilifeform: trinque: erlang wasn't simply about 'uptime', or even 'no pointer arithmetic', it also was the only case i know of where process migration actually worked
mp_en_viaje: you don't mean like http://trilema.com/2013/if-youre-using-wp-super-cache/ or such, do you ?
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje iirc was defo a #t article
asciilifeform: i quite distinctly recall that it didn't work worthashit, and mp_en_viaje smashed a keyboard or 2
mp_en_viaje: i don't even fucking rememberr.
asciilifeform: theoretically this is Right Thing, mp_en_viaje . only headache is that 'flask' etc shitshow doesn't offer any path to it.
mp_en_viaje: the whole point re logs is they don't really change except at the tip. like blockchains.
mp_en_viaje: it didn't have to be recalculated, was on disk.
mp_en_viaje: say you don't reply, just follow a link, a situation 100x more useful.
asciilifeform: caching isn't magic pill against slow ugh ; if you want backlinkage to work as-expected you end up invalidating pretty much all cache just about erry time someone replies to log line
mp_en_viaje: if it's there this can be done, if it's not there this... can't be done. maybe someone knows how to take pip out of the process. if it's there they'll do it, if not there they won' chase you. and so following.
lobbes: I'll see if I can't make a blog post about this describing the ugliness under the hood of the current #e logger
asciilifeform: this ain't the 'at&t five nines'(tm)(r) level of weatherproofiness that we want !
asciilifeform: i'm gonna believe all the folx with raw logz tho, the bot evidently wasn't actually ~there~ until last reset
mp_en_viaje: here's what i don't understand :
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, i can't imagine ?
mp_en_viaje: speaking of meat btw : isn't it lulzy that all the butthurt coverage of sagawa (typical) somehow omits to mention that since the dude didn't kill anyone again, a) it's very dubious confinement would have helped anything and b) by implication, it's not clear it's such a helpful thing in all the other cases, either.
diana_coman: huh, I actually remember the azn guy + story but can't extract atm direct link, huh
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: was a #t piece
asciilifeform: diana_coman: np. don't hesitate to add the eater as vpatch (can put in a e.g. 'contrib' subdir, update manifest) .
diana_coman: asciilifeform: thank you! looks good and my nitpicker can't find anything anymore either.
feedbot: http://trilema.com/2019/thelastpsychiatristcom-beer-goggling-isnt-natural-and-being-a-good-looking-girl-sucks-from-9-to-5-adnotated/ << Trilema -- thel....com - Beer Goggling Isn't Natural and Being A Good Looking Girl Sucks From 9 To 5. Adnotated.
mp_en_viaje: "oh, i just use it to relax, man". yeah, careful you don't manage to relax right off the deck.
diana_coman: fwiw, I diffed the 2 and looked, couldn't find further issues; the nick is now indeed first word of payload when * is nick (on action); + the one case with messed up lines because of Day changed vs. Log opened is corrected too.
spyked: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-09#1927010 <-- one thing that most likely changed: they bought cars. traffic is a bitch even in that little town, even though it's entirely walkable in a few hours. granted, last time I was in MM was in 2007 and there weren't that many of them, but have only passed through viseu back then
diana_coman: asciilifeform: as I'm still nitpicking the log, was it expecting some space re * and action as this doesn't seem quite ok: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/ossasepia/2019-07-20#999264 ?
mp_en_viaje: there's actually a shortage of intelligent people who aren't also correspondingly dumb to balance it out.
diana_coman: asciilifeform: there's no link for next day on the imported bits (or uhm, can't quite tell where/why?) ; e.g. http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/ossasepia/2019-07-16 has no link although there is http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/ossasepia/2019-07-17 ?
mp_en_viaje: imo anyone who attempts to write bash irc bot other than netcat frontend either has nfi what the internet is and therefore never found netcat or has nfi what bash is and therefore doesn't understand why you don't do anything ~in~ it.
mp_en_viaje: items past 5k loc don't belong anyway.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: recall mao's 'airplane is paper tiger, soldier can't surrender to it'
BingoBoingo: When Germany sold cheap labor to US farmers in the 18th century they didn't send them cultured.
BingoBoingo: Sounds like as good of a reason as any to start pushing a "fighter of the future don't need guns" meme
BingoBoingo as child yet to see kindergarden had a favorite book. Included all sorts of aircraft. The only ones I remember with certainty were the SR-71, A-10, flying radar picket, and the loser F-4 that didn't even have a gun while pretending to be a fighter.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-10 14:47:20 mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-10#1927224 << i also don't see the advantage in concentrating. wtf would be the benefit of having trilema and logger down at same time ?
mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-10#1927224 << i also don't see the advantage in concentrating. wtf would be the benefit of having trilema and logger down at same time ?
asciilifeform: lessee what mircea_popescu remembers re the ru people (supposing i didn't dream it)
diana_coman: but I don't really want the logger there too
diana_coman: but fwiw I think I know what you mean; the "gut instinct" is not a generally-good thing; it's good at what it's good and doesn't translate well to dissimilar environment basically
diana_coman: ugh; I still call it misnomer though; "growing" like a tree without any internal work still doesn't mean that everyone's just as hollow
mircea_popescu: obviously from THEIR pov if there isn't any such thing as a spear to fucking poke them until they submit (yes, the SPEAR was the original society-changer, turned human tribes from matriarchy to patriarchy because finally there was an efficient way to make the dumb cunts stfu with their dumb nonsense) all the better ; but theirs isn't a legitimate pov.
mircea_popescu: WRONG model. you don't want to grow cunts into "careerwomen" ; you want to grow boys into engineers.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-09 04:02:39 mp_en_viaje: 3) the whole of it was always hanging out with the cool people. i don't mean, "cool", as in, swag. i mean cool as in david lynch quote above, dork bought a 12 room house for $3500 in th worst gangland he could find for his wife and newborn kid and lived there, "the fear was palpable"
mircea_popescu: (and, while at it, how the first analog computers were developed -- no, it wasn't bomb calculators, it was jet engine air intake anti-unstarters for applications such as this guy.)
mircea_popescu: (great story re fabrication, too. item is 80%+ titanium, can't be washed in tap water, can't be touched with cadmium-plated tools, its story is totally worth reading from an 'achievement of human mechanical engineering' perspective.)
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-09 05:37:33 spyked: mircea_popescu, re. tmsr lang: could be one of two or three (or I dunno how many) langs, as long as tmsr owns 'em. atm there's no genesis for a cl compiler/interpreter (let alone e.g. networking code a la usocket, or a curl etc.), so... inb4 "fuck you spyked, I can't even compile sbcl, how do you want me to stand up your logotron"
asciilifeform: it's quite obese, btw, for those who haven't seen
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-09 03:58:21 mp_en_viaje: this is utterly fucking false, of course. the telegraph doesn't get in a month the daily readership of trilema. but i think the ~pervasiveness~ of the antiquated, and mistaken, worldview may rub off on people.
BingoBoingo: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-09#1926659 << Related question I receive here is "What did you go to school for to do what you do?" I answer "Bibliotecas." "What does that have to do with what you do?" "Well, a bit, but mostly I just stumbled into a dragon's den shortly after school during one of those historical paradigm shifts and haven't been ate yet.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile in fucking amusing cornell UGC, http://curious.astro.cornell.edu/physics/134-physics/general-physics/mechanics/829-why-can-t-a-plane-fly-slowly-and-let-the-earth-pass-underneath-beginner
mircea_popescu: "why buy oak chairs when you aren't going to do dishes ?"
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-08 22:24:24 asciilifeform: expects that before long, we'll find out that the pythonisms can't in fact be reliably reproduced, because 'ecosystem updated' or whateverthefuck rots
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-09 04:45:56 spyked: also, I guess there's also the fact that despite all its problems, there's a pile of CL code (e.g. hunchentoot, cl-irc) that works... very similarly to how wordpress does the job, despite its size and other warts. maybe Ada could also find similar pieces of code for Ada, but tbh I haven't looked... yet?
mircea_popescu: i just can't find it is all.
asciilifeform: problem isn't 'no way to expose', they're perfectly exposed, e.g. 'M' uses 100% raw syscalls for all i/o . problem is the fundamentally ill-conceived abstraction, where you don't ~only~ have the stream, but also a barely-known and large set of possible out-of-band eggog conditions