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kakobrekla: i dont see where
time went but if you say so ... i cant do it alone.
assbot: Logged on 14-03-2016 23:25:56; kakobrekla: anyway imho it would be best for everyone for
this mess
to be cleared by me and mp - however while im making myself available in full capacity it seems
to me mp is unwilling
adlai for once, shuts himself up,
to go sleep. putting preorders for morning popcorn, please keep
the logs a-churnin (but do read
them,
too many idiots showing up here asking for summaries as
though people are paid
to write
them)
adlai: i dunno, we're all a bunch of
text here, except for
the chicks
that get
their nickles one dime at a
time
adlai: and 'solrodar'
too, who has bigger balls
than... who knows, maybe she wears
them on her chest
adlai finds
that he has nothing further constructive
to add
to
the bitbet receivership saga; wishes mircea_popescu and kakobrekla best of luck resolving it in shareholders' best interests.
adlai: i hurt my 'reputation', for my own pleasure (and
that of lurkers), and got
the private keys stolen from under me fingers. oh well.
mircea_popescu: specifically - who did you hurt for pleasure and what
text did you steal.
mircea_popescu: "superb how". freudian slip of all
time, alf would like a workable dasmer.
assbot: Logged on 01-03-2016 13:49:06; mircea_popescu: "noisehole, bullshitter, blowhard, drunkard, sadist, rapist, all-around disgrace
to
the sad sad State of Bitcoin (and a passive-aggressive plagiarist,
too,
to
top a cherry on
the shit-pan-kake!)" da fuck did you do adlai !
mircea_popescu: tho eulora is slowling clawing itself from underwater. but
the usual vc crapolade is nowhere near bitbet, or where bitbet was in its first month.
mircea_popescu: ironcally, bitbet is not merely "a sure
thing" - it's
the only actually profitable, legit bitcoin business
to date.
THE ONLY.
☟︎ assbot: Logged on 14-03-2016 22:22:18; phf: but as an advertisement platform for mpex and steady stream of income for investors i don't see ~anything~ wrong with bitbet. my current interpretation is
that a lot of various people overreacted and a sure
thing was killed.
assbot: Logged on 14-03-2016 22:07:26; phf: jurov: i wonder if
there are referees besides kako and mp. owners got at least 75btc each plus sales of shares, plus payouts from unsold shares.
assbot: Logged on 14-03-2016 21:47:54; asciilifeform: phf: from rereading
the logz, seems like mircea_popescu admits
this, even.
assbot: Logged on 14-03-2016 21:44:51; assbot: Logged on 14-03-2016 19:10:37; asciilifeform:
the failure of such a miner
to exist is a game-theoretical smoking gun.
assbot: Logged on 14-03-2016 21:44:17; asciilifeform: anyway my original point was
that much of what we
think of as 'tmsr economy' is not actually
tmsr in any reasonable sense of
the word, in
that it is not effected by folks having a wot presence, nor does it even have so much as iceberg
tip in
the public forum.
mircea_popescu: incidentally, what's
the consensus of code wizards, compiled >>> parsed ?
mircea_popescu: ytou'll have
to excuse me, i run parsed not compiled logs.
phf: mircea_popescu: jurov pointed out
the error of my ways, but i believe
that i might've accomplished what i was fumbling for already
assbot: Logged on 14-03-2016 21:26:03; phf: jurov: you're right,
there's not much
that can be done as far as bickering. i find some of
the positions rather petty or outright alarmist, but i can't keep people from
talking. i'm only
thinking
that an arbitration procedure could produce
tldr
that at
the very least will focus
the attention.
mircea_popescu:
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-03-2016#1432824 << suppose instead of runnign off
to some sort of centralism, you just use
the
tools available ?
they're here for
this purpose ; you've seen
them at work. gossipd didn't come out of
the void, but out of practice based on philosophy honed with practice built on philosophy and so on and again numerous iterations over
the years.
☝︎ assbot: Logged on 14-03-2016 21:23:52; asciilifeform: i suspect
that mircea_popescu would rather burn it
than let it go
to hitler.
assbot: Logged on 14-03-2016 21:21:59; asciilifeform: bbet was ~the~ bet machine, as far as i'm concerned, fwiw, and now
there is none.
mircea_popescu: (none of
this is
to say
that one ~oughtn't~
try. sure, one ought
to
try. but also understand
that
this is exactly like "one ought
to
try and fuck every woman
that can walk within his visual radius". in a veeeheheheheeery
theoretical principle, sure. in practice -
there is such a
thing as penis friction blisters.)
mircea_popescu: one should prolly look
through eulora logs for some lulzy examples re
the failure of
the auction -
the free market's revered, holy relic of a chief
tool. guess what ? it... doesn't work!
mircea_popescu: and yes - for as long as pick one and you carefully sit under its umbrella, never leaving
that domain "it works for me!". except we're in bitcoin specifically
to see what's out
there.
mircea_popescu: trinque's very basic notion above about "categorically your
time"
thing is just an axiomatic (if erroneous) pillar supporting one of
these methods.
mircea_popescu: so, like it or not, it is still very much a research project for
the human race.
mircea_popescu: they get good results in different fields but a)
they're alwyas approximations and b) none of
them even cover
the whole field - not in
the sense of being close but in
the sense of EVER OFFERING a value function
that may
take any inputs.
assbot: Logged on 14-03-2016 21:19:16; jurov: asciilifeform: one ought
to
try
to value everything. otherwise end up looking hungry
to
these pies
BingoBoingo wonders what if any L1 or L2 interest in bidding for BitBet software/domain is out
there
assbot: Logged on 14-03-2016 21:17:09; asciilifeform: given as it was structured in such a way
that ANY unexpected ding would destroy it utterly unless carried by
that month's profit.
assbot: Logged on 14-03-2016 21:13:56; asciilifeform: also it is not clear
to me what
the folks in
the dispute actuall want.
mircea_popescu: because yes,
the
thing as it worked is STILL a major improvement over
traditional gambling anything, and
there's no sane reason i could possibly see
that bitbet wouldn't carry a majority of
the world's 10bn
to 1
trn dollars worth of yearly prop betting.
mircea_popescu: it STILL boggles my mind
that
this was
the case ; but
the case it was. and weren't it
the case - bitbet'd be
to
this day and forever swimming in a pool of dough.
mircea_popescu: knowledge
that you can drop 1, 10 or 1000 bitcoin on an arbitrary proposition and be covered fairly, people did not wish
to do so!
☟︎ assbot: Logged on 14-03-2016 21:16:41; asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: one of
the problems is
that apparently it was already not being carried.
mircea_popescu:
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-03-2016#1432792 << perhaps
the darkest voodoo involved in all of
this, and one which i openly confess i struggled with for
the entire interval and never managed
to even comprehend let alone do a iota
towards breaking was -
that
there seemed
to be ~infinite ammount of bitcoin ready
to COVER bets, but very little interest
to fund
them. somehow, for some reason, even with
the strict
☝︎ assbot: Logged on 14-03-2016 21:03:36; asciilifeform: phf: sadly
this is prolly how it will go. at least no mexican ice pick is yet involved.
assbot: Logged on 14-03-2016 21:02:48; phf: instead
the solution is what?
to spend a bunch more days repeating same positions over and over again until you leave in disgust, people who are already on
the mp side are galvanized, etc.?
mircea_popescu: (and
this being future china, you'll be getting six addresses or somesuch,
typed out on paper. with misprints.)
mircea_popescu: (perhaps
this is obivous
to me only for some god-forsaken reason, but
the next step after
the view on
the bitcoin protocol
that it permits miners
to arbitrarily reject
txn and
the collusion of miners is - you gotta get a license
to bitcoinate. why hardfork
to increase
their revenue, even.)
☟︎ BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Seriously. I have suspicions on how
this could be done, but... given
the necessary ugliness in
this sort of brokering solrodar's bid seems awfully cheap.
mircea_popescu: moreover, and more importantly, if you give over
to
the government
the franchise
to interpret private agreements, you provably construct a government even more far reaching
than
the welfare state, sitting in ~an equivalent position of
the miner cartel but for contracts, and soon
to issue "licenses
to contract" or somesuch insanity.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo every day we discover another planet
the republic must build eh ?
assbot: Logged on 14-03-2016 21:02:38; asciilifeform: jurov: i suspect
that if you were
to suggest
to mircea_popescu
that a group of lordz could, or ought
to, make a collective decision, he would break out in hives and barf
BingoBoingo: The problem
to selling in a way
that maximally recoups value is my chief barrier
to bidding. Hard problem I have little experience or connections
to do.
mircea_popescu: at least is better
than waiting in
traffic listening
to dayradio.
adlai catches up on 6mo logs, should
take
Two Weeks(tm)(s)(r), give or
take a halving~~
solrodar: bbl, will keep an eye on
the logs
mircea_popescu: which is how and why chetty's passing bumped her
trust in my eyes
to 10 : not because she's "very good" now, but because she lacks any further capacity
to surprise anyone. at least so goes
the logic.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: (and since we're on it,
this important point seems perhaps lost and is still paramount : "It is important
to remember
that
the score associated
to a relationship does not mark
the direct
trust of
the scorer for
the scoree, but merely
the scorer's confidence
that
the information he has about scoree is correct, accurate, relevant and complete. All four." from
the ever-fascinatingly counterintuitive
http://trilema.com/201 mircea_popescu: what's next, you know, ima negrate
trump for not voting kanish or w/e
that ohio derp's name is.
assbot: Logged on 14-03-2016 21:00:41; phf: jurov: but overall, all
that is for us
to figure out, yeah?
the "judge" in
this case is one of our peers, can look at what
transpired, present an opinion, "it is
the opinion of
this judged, having considered all facts available,
that mp done goofed". mp can go "well fuck you judge", you can go "that's a fair assessment", negrate mp and move on
mircea_popescu: i'm aware
that
they do
these weird "can't
throw X people off premises" in
the us, but
the excision of
that sort of nonsense is no small part of what
tmsr is all about.
mircea_popescu: a judge may decide what a contract means if
there's dispute between
the parties, which here is what
the [judge] sindic aka receiver is going
to do anyway. other
than
that - he can't order for "the world"
to satisfy any party's perceived comfort, no matter how dressed up.
mircea_popescu: d if he
tries,
they'll disconnect your
thing an hour a day. at which point what, you go
to your congressman
to sponsor a law making it illegal for provider
to disconnect shitty users ? are we
trying
to rebuild
the great nation of america or something ? would be cheaper
to just go with
the one extant.
mircea_popescu:
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-03-2016#1432761 << it's entirely unclear
to me what you
think
this'd do. let's work an example. you sign up for one of
those newfangled internet
thingees. provider sells you it, you meet
the girl of your dreams in australia, keep in daily email
touch. provider hikes
the rate. you... what, go
to a judge,
to order
the provider
to charge you less ? not something
the judge can do - an
☝︎ assbot: Logged on 15-03-2016 01:12:32; solrodar: I liked bitbet, I'd be sorry
to see it go
mircea_popescu: who was
that guy anyway, famously
told judge
that "he can be born wherever he wants
to!" ? painter, accused of passing off a "too shitty
to be sold" painting, late us reverberation of
the school wars.
solrodar: I liked bitbet, I'd be sorry
to see it go
☟︎ solrodar: which is why I
think it's still in both of your best interests
to sort
this out between you
solrodar: much less
than
the value of a going concern with a reputation
mircea_popescu: i suppose
the "what's
the value of code" item is a very vague
thing on
the internet still huh.
solrodar: I would suggest
that
the domain remains in kakobrekla's hands and
temporarily pointed
to an address under my control
solrodar: the proceeds would be paid
to you and added
to
the pool
assbot: Logged on 14-03-2016 20:51:39; asciilifeform: 'v' did not actually
take very long
to write.
solrodar: my personal standing is irrelevant, as interested buyers are likely
to already be familiar with
the site
mircea_popescu: anyway - i appreciate your offer
to help, and i don't
think it can be summarily dismissed. it has its obvious weaknesses which you may consider improving.
mircea_popescu: so you're going
to
try as a package first,
then just
the domain on a 2nd pass, and advertise
this on forums - how many, which, do you have good standing accounts in any (which) or is
this going
to be just some drive-by spam
thing ?
solrodar: for
the codebase, potential buyers are likely
to be fewer, so my initial
thought would be
to conduct
the auction in #b-a with bidders solicited from forums likely
to be interested
mircea_popescu: a wife but stuck with one
that actually owns him.
third options aren't really very easily accessible. so - no, don't make
that assumption, it'll run you
to ruin.
assbot: Logged on 14-03-2016 20:48:47;
trinque: it is not categorically impossible
to buy your
time