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jurov: "get it right or it didn't happen" can work only for perfectly spherical people
mircea_popescu: jurov either there's an injective payment function, in which case you have strictly yes-no payments, either get it right or it didn't happen ; or else you can have a bijective payment function, in which case you can have solutions to the "problems" you propose.
jurov: of course unidirectional. you want to withdraw back, you pay the fee. i still don't see what's your problem
mircea_popescu: but you wouldn't.
a111: Logged on 2016-11-18 08:50 jurov: just my pet peeve that the most opinionated folks (see: alf) aren't actually seen to do it in practice
mircea_popescu: this is no good, what can i tell you. you're more than welcome to use it as your own software, but it's braindamage and it ain't convincing me.
mircea_popescu: and it disables who, usg ? not the other way around ? becauyse why, it's not seen happening (especially if you carefully don't look) ?
mircea_popescu: perhaps a better question would be "when didn't you run electrum", but let's jointly pretend.
jurov: just my pet peeve that the most opinionated folks (see: alf) aren't actually seen to do it in practice ☟︎
jurov: orly. i haven't seen ben_vulpes actually process something since VAN :)
mircea_popescu: urban "dog owners" are high on my list of insufferables, right up there with urban biking hipsters. this isn't to say that "police officers" shouldn't be shot on sight.
asciilifeform: 'Why aren't there tons of stories about cops shooting yorkies or teacup chihuahuas?'
mircea_popescu: notrly. beard you gotta wash. also can't eat cream.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: this one wasn't
mircea_popescu: shinohai that "foundation" think wasn't ever to be taken seriously.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> isn't it technically pence in our time ? << Not yet
mircea_popescu: isn't it technically pence in our time ?
mircea_popescu: before i was famous the stock explanation was that "you don't know which girl was his girlfriend - but he does!".
mats: we haven't heard from that idiot anduck in a while
shinohai: "Everyone I don't like is a Russian hacker"
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-17#1569306 << well if they don't hike the rate for the next four years, not only will 15 btc buy your house, ☝︎
mircea_popescu: lmao at usg complete unravel. kirby of state dept makes claims in public. op asks for details. kirby responds by claiming that he didn't make the claims he made and that "they've seen" "credible" reports from "aid organisations". which terms mean as follows "they've seen" = "some starving intern at random mfa blog pulled from ass" "credible" = "saddam wmd" and "aid organisations" = "hillary's friends children trafficing netwo
trinque: what, his 1337 hacker name isn't convincing?
trinque: unless what's her name fedmerkel dies, I don't see why interest rates would heed Trump
mircea_popescu: then you know, "i didn't say the tape exists, i said it was offered", blabla.
asciilifeform: i've yet to hear synth voice that isn't immediately obvious
asciilifeform: https://archive.is/dFQMj << also hilarious re promisetronix. 'usg.adobe now sells luser-friendly voice-faking proggy, but dun worry, if it doesn't have the USG FAKED VOICE WATERMARK, IT IS GENUINE!111111 voice'
mircea_popescu: this doesn't work wtf.
asciilifeform: re: debian, there were also dsa keys, which i didn't touch.
mircea_popescu: it being a spec, it didn't contain an implementation, no.
asciilifeform: the original didn't mention how to make 1024 chickens reliably pull plow.
Framedragger: phuctor isn't employing yet is it? :/
mircea_popescu: which strongly selects for high value boxes. because random schmuck can't afford to pay his fucking car insurance for a decade straight. let alone A BOX
mircea_popescu: phf i don't expect lost, but there seems to be some wtf with the dns
phf: mircea_popescu: did we lose btcbase.org domain? dig doesn't resolve it to anything
mircea_popescu: ah i guess that's it, i didn't look at the right segment. these ARE ips after all, they're not geodistributed evenly.
Framedragger: (though, iirc github removed shitty ssh client keys - don't recall when jurov collected them, i think he mentioned this)
mircea_popescu: alf has finally found a way to spam the chan that won't have him send cents to tipjar.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i can't, not really. as pissed off as i/anyone can be, "What I currently see as best option is to actually comment out those 2 lines of code. But I have no idea what effect this really has on the RNG. The only effect I see is that the pool might receive less entropy. But on the other hand, I'm not even sure how much entropy some unitialised data has. What do you people think about removing those 2 lines of code?
mircea_popescu: well if they aren't, someone's gotta have some 'splainin' to do :)
thestringpuller: BingoBoingo: Don't think I'll have time being a part-time farmer. Trying to figure out a way to grow seasonal foods indoors without true greenhouse but not 100% artificial light. Quite a pickle.
asciilifeform: i'm off to bed. don't anybody drown.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: you're not going to get choked flow with fans i don't think
RodrigoBTC: Ahh it didn't work at pv!
ben_vulpes: (i don't actually know that)
ben_vulpes: the kids aren't even in high school yet!
pete_dushenski wouldn't bet on mormon boys against raft-mongrels.
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: i'm curious, why don't you do mpex.trilema.com ? or would that link the two explicitly and hence would not be favourable?
pete_dushenski hasn't heard of anthrax band
asciilifeform: the extended contemplation of ~using~ that thing in some future edifice here has got to be a running joke, which asciilifeform isn't in on..
mircea_popescu: china doesn't give a shit, and i somehow don't see nato getting its balls brassed enough to go bomb vietnam again
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: You haven't seen how cheaply walmart sells "cookies"
Framedragger: (..and of course bind has at least one "basically completely undocumented" config option, "order random_1", which modifies the round robin process, or the eventual reply. "didn't you get the memo, peter?")
BingoBoingo: How sure are you that you aren't a grandfather, at least biologically...
mircea_popescu: why does everyone just assume i don't know what i'm talking about. just because i sound like a clueless grandfather doesn't mean i am one omygerd.
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: oh you can't even imagine how many 'additional' data fields domain needs to be actually usable by current dns clients. everything from start of authority to multiple TTLs etc. and that's the saner part of things...
mircea_popescu: (in the case of the global warming scam - the whole moneygrubbing angle is particularly defensible. sure, the jews themselves may be stupid. but the people who benefit from this particular fraud aren't generally.)
mircea_popescu: that its mechanisms "think" bloodsucking pays has no bearings whatsoever on the reality of the matter. as it happens - it doesn't pay.
asciilifeform: flea ain't esp. clever either. but he knows how to flea.
mircea_popescu: almost as if we shared talking points on a napkin. which we haven't, but there it is. the iyi/jews in question'd be excused if they thought "massive right wing conspiracy", because hey.
Framedragger: i also liked the part where if javascript is given a file and it doesn't recognize if it's a js file, it'll just try to eval it, for good measure, in case it is js.
a111: Logged on 2016-11-16 01:24 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-16#1568033 << i really don't see that past the "sunrise" so to call it there's any need to give a shit. i would not negrate anyone for registering "someone else's" domain after the system comes online and anyone can register whatever. i do think it's pretty idiotic to bring it online empty ; i won't support a system that tries that ; and i think the comparison with mining/premining is entirely w
ben_vulpes: > Kryptowire was jumpstarted by the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency (DARPA) and the Department of Homeland Security (DHS S&T)
mircea_popescu: well trump doesn't have the obamaproblem. for one thing - grabbing. for the other, he has some practice with "on your back, mel"
trinque: he shouldn't need that many people to turn off lights and lock doors.
asciilifeform: if mr.t hires a d00d for this post who had ever actually agricultured, i for one will be mega-disappoint.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 0 good reason. (doesn't strike me as ideal work for extreme introvert folk who leave the house every month at best, but what do i know)
mircea_popescu: why shouldn't she ?
asciilifeform: also who the hell isn't a) already holding whole blockchain or b) connected to reliable and trusted box that IS
mircea_popescu: you can't know in advance.
mircea_popescu: "fuck you mp, i hate what i deem thrones so much, you now can't do name resolution on anything without a tb hdd!"
mircea_popescu: client doesn't hold the whole fucking dns db holy shit.
asciilifeform: it isn't O(blocks), it's O(blocks i haven't seen yet)
asciilifeform: nah, don't need to 'talk to each one' specially, just look in your blocksxxx.dat for all sends to 1FuCkGoAtS..... and decode the payload.
mircea_popescu: but there isn't ; and what's worse, there necessarily can not be.
asciilifeform: at least mine didn't.
asciilifeform: dictionaries don't remote-update.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: for asciilifeform's enlightenment, describe plox why coin should not be made of the same 'lead' (simple scheme -- there are N coins at 'sunrise', and, e.g., mircea_popescu can move coin no. 1,555 to ben_vulpes by signing 'coin 1,555 now belongs to [key of ben_vulpes] at time T' etc
mircea_popescu: anyway, re-reading this dns thing, i'm not even sure what the objections are. i'm getting a morass of "why shouldn't all the things be made out of lead since lead works well for pencils" + vague extremisms trying to confuse a clear boundry (x didn't exist ; x exists) with random other things.
mircea_popescu: you don't own a ru dictionary ?
mircea_popescu: yes, except dictionaries aren't the structure of the empire. they're the structure of thought.
mircea_popescu: what you'd like doesn't enter into this. you'll use the dictionary whether you like to or not.
mircea_popescu: i don't know what "this logic" is. you are currently using dns, yes ?
mircea_popescu: (ftr, re "does z sign", there's a beautiful tie-in for deedbot in here, because there's no reason i couldn't register straight from !!, and especially so if i have to pay something)
asciilifeform: or at&t, or whoever the fuck is upstream, zimbabwe telecom.
mircea_popescu: you send "register name x type y key z" to server. if it doesn't have x, it registers it. if it has x, it registers y provided z is the key registered for x.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-16#1568033 << i really don't see that past the "sunrise" so to call it there's any need to give a shit. i would not negrate anyone for registering "someone else's" domain after the system comes online and anyone can register whatever. i do think it's pretty idiotic to bring it online empty ; i won't support a system that tries that ; and i think the comparison with mining/premining is entirely w ☝︎☟︎
mircea_popescu: i want something that works for me. if it works for others - good for them. if it doesn't, woe on them.
mircea_popescu: i don't give a shit.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-15#1567999 << no it's not. the fact that i extend you the courtesy to not register "loper-os" at the sunrise event doesn't mean jack shit in that context. ethereum tried to change things AFTER. hardly the same thing.\ ☝︎
mircea_popescu: the warning's out, whoever doesn't get in the wot is playing with fire.
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: The one that didn't suck got the prize so no saxes.
a111: Logged on 2016-11-13 17:38 mircea_popescu: Framedragger note that i don't particularly see the value in restrictioning anything. in principle anyone should be able to register a domain for his bitcent - even if he puts no gpg key in there. he just won't be able to admin it, big whoop./
mircea_popescu: and from thence it all progresses - no, the place to look up needn't be "one across all the internet", because "otherwise postel thinks it'd be chaos".
mircea_popescu: the imperial idiots implemented this as dns, which is stupid and braindamaged, but the implementation being flawed doesn't remove the fundamental reasons, which is why i say - read that damned rfc, the things i didn't mock are actually correct.
mircea_popescu: everyone-who-participates-in-this-conversation is the reference point. evidently, if we are talking about uh i dunno, star trek, the names have to be known and shared. spock can't be the woman with the nice ass. how does one join this conversation ? there's two options - either the usian school of "don't loo kit up - guess, fropm "context", what "it could be" or else - look it up damned it. to look it up, it has to be looked
mircea_popescu: life hasn't ended, the sun still rises, trilema clearly benefits.
mircea_popescu: i for instance don't credit the english-online-dictionaries opinions as to the meaning of english words.
mircea_popescu: there's exactly nothing wrong for pepsicola and his friends to discuss pepsicola by "coke.com" in their own context, and CERTAINLY coca-cola doesn't have nor can aquire some mechanism to prevent his.
mircea_popescu: that's not how it works. i got this local key-data store ; the box can't even connect via dns port.