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spyked: hm. hbo also had a series with boobage starring the guy from x-files, forgot his name. but that was mid-90s I think?

mircea_popescu: this was a tv show on hbo in the late 80s (at the time hbo was a perfectly respectable premium cable channel, far from the shitpile it has degenerated into after the end of america).

spyked: among other horror stuff spyked has seen as a youngun is "horror express" (1972). the rolling eyeball thing completely creeped me out, gotta rewatch that sometime.

mircea_popescu: spyked, anyway, i wouldn't say it's a good movie. run of the mill 80s tv camp, with vampires and whatnot. "tales from the crypt" fare, if you recall that show.

mircea_popescu: amusingly enough, a pre-prepared !!v string for payment of a fixed amt is a de-facto reimplementation of... the banknote.

a111: Logged on 2018-05-26 15:02 mircea_popescu: re the voicing approach : the above is fine. the alternative, where you keep a dedicated key on the bot, is also fine. the damage it can do is very limited (what, spend money it doesn't have ? rate people ?) and the upside is that you get to find out about possible attacks. neither method is wrong or anything.

spyked: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-26#1819113 <-- I personally like trinque's proposal because it enforces a certain level of hygiene and because it doesn't require calling gpg from lisp. but I'm more curious about what other bot operators have to say about it. so even if for example the poker bot needs to handle funds into its own deedbot wallet, I'm curious whether this semi-manual scheme would be feasible. ☝︎☟︎

spyked finds a moderate amount of time for movies nowadays. has seen http://trilema.com/2009/nunta-muta/ and http://trilema.com/2015/top-secret/ from his list, and was completely blown away by the former. it still didn't fully sink in, might need to watch it again once or twice.

mircea_popescu: spyked, btw, ever saw http://trilema.com/2011/cel-mai-bun-film/#selection-97.1-97.24 ? there's genuine romanian spoken in some parts, as well as tits. how the fuck they managed to film that in 1985 is a ~very~ interesting question to me. really, what, paid pcr some $$$ and "here's a slut and some dorks" in exchange ?

mircea_popescu: there was this "freedom figther" dude that meanwhile became a "dangerous criminal" because the "evil government" swtiched sides and is now pantsuit-sponsored

lobbes has since settled for simply being able to -read- das Deutsch and has begun trying to learn el Español for practical matters (started with Portuguese only to realize.. that only leaves one with Brazil as a potential escape destination vs. the ~entirety of central/south america)

a111: Logged on 2018-05-27 01:50 esthlos: now to find a deutsche Frau in pantsuit central

BingoBoingo: But you do have to surround yourself with the language. It doesn't matter if one or a handful of charitable ears understand you, you have to get pronunciation from crashing into everyday tasks of living.

BingoBoingo: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-27#1819154 << A girlfriend and girl friends. Mustering attention to pay attention to what the boys are saying usually isn't worth it. ☝︎

trinque: eh, I wouldn't rely on him for that. he's yet to show any signs he's pressed a trb himself using the previous V

trinque: get the defpackage in there, test, then when you're satisfied, post a genesis patch on your blog.

trinque: with those changes I was able to press trb with a ccl-built binary

trinque: esthlos: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/odjHx/?raw=true << fixed run-subprocess for ccl. external-process-status return is a "values"

a111: Logged on 2018-05-23 15:04 phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-23#1817293 << i started writing a lispy make-temp-directory but the implementation is not particularly elegant (C concerns are at odds with lisp concerns), you can pouch the ccl bits though. i'm not sure if there's a better way to do errno handling, without relying on private ccl symbols

trinque: esthlos: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/QjAE4/?raw=true << here's a fixed make-temp-dir ☟︎

trinque: I don't think %GET-ERRNO does what it seems. mkdtemp returns a null pointer on error, proper pointer otherwise, and I'm seeing that change depending on whether e.g. there's enough X in the pattern.

trinque: also the code you pasted had a #_mkdtemp wrapped in a #_mkdtemp ?

trinque: getting a -22 out of that

esthlos: as in (progn (#_mkdtemp (ccl:with-cstrs ((x "/tmp/fooXXXXXX")) (#_mkdtemp x))) (format t "~a" (ccl::%GET-ERRNO)))

esthlos: well, try this out: load in the file from a ccl repl, run make-wot, back out of the failure, and run wot again

esthlos: now to find a deutsche Frau in pantsuit central ☟︎

mircea_popescu: get a girlfriend.

esthlos: trinque: any time to look at the new vtron? the currently outstanding issues I'm aware of are 1. need to reintroduce a defpackage; 2. weirdness with ccl and building the gpg keychain

mircea_popescu: in short, it's not only ill posed, but rather seems ill posed a certain, familiar way.

lobbes: diana_coman: I've been on a quest for the last few days trying to get a LAMP running on my rockchip. I was getting barfs on emerging php-5.6 but managed to at least get php 7.2.4 installed

diana_coman: has anyone installed php successfully on a rockchip? it fails to build on mine with a lot of "error: dereferencing pointer to incomplete type" and a search for this sort of thing seems to suggest it might have to do with libxml version; anyone ran into this and sorted it out already?

mircea_popescu: "I cofounded Activate, the strategy consultancy that guides the leaders of the biggest media, technology and entertainment companies in developing their strategies for growth" << consider the politruk-icity. so, "the biggest" have absolutely nothing to say. they are so inept at creating their own fucking strategies, they'll just hire the political commissar to give them a sheet of paper that's certified by the office of polit

mircea_popescu: But just a word to journalists aghast at the idea of naming a source who wanted to be off the record: telling the truth and exposing the President’s lies is actually more important than j-school decorum. You’re being played."

mircea_popescu: He was the director of Expert Labs, a "Government 2.0 initiative that aims to connect United States government projects with citizens who want to become more involved in the political discussion"

mircea_popescu: and in other lulz, anil dash of http://trilema.com/2014/the-nigger-a-practical-exercise/ still exists!

mircea_popescu: are we specifiing a gns standard for these ?

mircea_popescu: re the voicing approach : the above is fine. the alternative, where you keep a dedicated key on the bot, is also fine. the damage it can do is very limited (what, spend money it doesn't have ? rate people ?) and the upside is that you get to find out about possible attacks. neither method is wrong or anything. ☟︎

spyked: I'll leave this open for discussion for a coupla days or so. meanwhile any comments from other lisp bot operators ( ben_vulpes, lobbes, phf et al.) are muchly appreciated.

a111: Logged on 2018-05-20 14:17 trinque: spyked: one could make many voicing OTPs, and put them in a hopper for the bot.

spyked: also, re. http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-25#1819054 my intention is to implement the http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-20#1815920 approach, where: a. user obtains OTPs manually by prodding deedbot with !!ups, decrypts them and feeds them to trilemabot; b. trilemabot maintains a list of OTPs and uses the next one in the list when it needs to self-voice (i.e. after it /joins #trilema). c. user must ensure that the OTP list is not empty, ☝︎☝︎

a111: Logged on 2018-05-25 21:16 mircea_popescu: nevermind that part for now. do you have a value for $x in "hey $x".

spyked: to clear up the confusion in http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-25#1818920 (and maybe for some bonus lulz): somehow last night my eyes completely overlooked the last part in http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-25#1818894 (yes, after reading *twice*), leading to a very wtf contextless spyked upon ingesting http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-25#1818901 . /me still has much practice to do to follow discussions in real-time, most of my reading happens ☝︎☝︎☝︎

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, i meant specifically make a republican substitute.

douchebag: When you fuck with gang members, you get gang treatment. Kind of ironic that she has a tattoo that says loyalty haha

douchebag: well, she robbed some dude for $280 of crack and now these black dudes are telling her she has to get into a fist fight with their cousin, and they will forget about the debt. Their cousin is a black dude a few years older than me.

a111: Logged on 2018-05-25 22:44 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-25#1818735 << is is settled that rsa checks are waste of time / undesirable ? having a sane process doing kernel check may not be terrible, neh ?

mod6: pipp8: Make sure to register a key and get yourself into the wot via deedbot. Here's the help page: http://deedbot.org/help.html

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-25#1818764 << may end up having to import Framedragger_ s' multi-line thing as a means to return. ☝︎

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-25#1818760 << bear in mind that my girls get in trouble for having over a dozen tabs open. maybe the solution is on the other end! ☝︎

mircea_popescu: i would not object to !!paying whatever pittance my needs may drive me to, and if it's not a pittance i'll either change the needs or be thankful for the useful service.

mircea_popescu: and if it ~is~ resource intensive, implement it anyway, publish a way for user to evaluate cost, and charge them like lobbes ' auctionbot. monthly or w/e.

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-25#1818753 << this is actually a fine spec ; unterschrif't ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2018-05-25 15:47 phf: so an intermediate step that someone else could perform is to take your rockchip gentoo, generate new rsa pair, sign the kernel with pub, patch google's uboot with priv and get a clean booting rockchip gentoo setup, without accidentally bricking the device? (while still retaining known amount of google in the system)

mircea_popescu: spyked, do you have a voicer thing ?

a111: Logged on 2018-05-25 15:44 phf: and i guess you're trying to replace google's uboot with a built-from-src one, that doesn't also have rsa checks etc.

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-25#1818735 << is is settled that rsa checks are waste of time / undesirable ? having a sane process doing kernel check may not be terrible, neh ? ☝︎☟︎

spyked: trinque, re. voice and other trilema-bot functionality, I'd like to take a look at the code you have if you're willing to share.

ben_vulpes: pipp8: http://cascadianhacker.com/20_a-summary-of-changes-to-bitcoin-since-0321

mircea_popescu: ie, as a general rule, always start with the more general parts.

pipp8: thanks, Hi all, I'm a little noob about bitcoin, so I'm sorry, But from your website thebitcoin.fundation I can read you still use bitcoin 0.54(or 0.53 official with bug solved) why you have choose this version? what succesive implementations wasn't in line with your thinking?? you don't want?

mircea_popescu: small, easy to read, one at a time.

mircea_popescu: do me a favour and don't wait on the voice part so as to dump it together with the rss part, either.

trinque: sure, but whether the same patch hunk ended up in two places is computable, interesting in a patch-viewer sense, not in a vtron-operation sense

trinque: there's a cultural thing here that just came into view. the work will be regrinding until there's fewer and fewer disjunct trees.

mircea_popescu: indeed that'd be so, and how joyous a circumstance.

trinque: I suppose I should've said instead "had there been a gnat v-tree, eucrypt would never find itself in a position where gnat had moved, and nobody can find the gnat to build eucrypt"

mircea_popescu: (the realisation that v-tree management is a lot like playing tetris should probably hit just about now)

spyked: mircea_popescu, but say I have a similar itcbot vtree, with logbot on top. then top of it I include trilemabot (handling self-voicing et al.), then on top of that rss bot. then if I want to use rss bot but not logbot (which don't depend on each other), how would I go about that?

a111: Logged on 2018-04-09 14:31 mircea_popescu: a right. hanbot do me a favour : download ~only~ those patches which are in the leftmost trunk seen on phf's viewer (so exclude vtools_vdiff_sha, and its dependents) and try to flow again ?

mircea_popescu: if it were the case that item has >1 dependency, oi1..n, then it would have been resolved by a) picking one and b) introducing as patches into that tree all otheritems 1..n-1.

mircea_popescu: this is factually incorrect. from "item has 1 dependency : otheritem" it follows strictly that item will be a succession of patches on otheritem tree.

spyked: mircea_popescu, lemme try to restate the thing as I see it. the rss bot doesn't make changes to ircbot, it's a new thing that uses ircbot as a dependency. so from this follows (in my mind, so pls to say if broken!) that the new thing will be a genesis.

mircea_popescu: i don't even know what fucking line. what line ? it's either a genesis or a patchset. that's thje fucking line. what other line ?!

trinque: ircbot will be a dependency of his thing, so he wants to know how to denote that

trinque: does the v-tree suck in a particular version of the linux kernel too?

spyked: more to the point: there is a relation between ircbot and the rss bot, but I'm not sure it would make sense for v to enforce that.

lobbesbot: douchebag: Sent 4 hours and 32 minutes ago: <asciilifeform> if you think the faux-camwhores approach will work to make a 'backup' identity for self, this time with new flavouring -- 1) it won't 2) drop it 3) this is good road to -10

spyked: mircea_popescu, it is going to be separate item, but based on ircbot. can't be an extension of ircbot, for the same reason logbot can't be (some people might not wanna put a rsstron into their ircbot)

mircea_popescu: and the fact that i have to ask at all, let alone i have to re-ask after an hour's conversation is a very strong marker for a poorly organized mind. you're supposed to know what you're doing, what!

spyked: mircea_popescu, I ended up working on a couple of new ones. a. trilema spec subset and b. rss bot.

mircea_popescu: is it that you're writing a new item ? is it that you're extending an extant one ? this is decided FIRST. not "as we go along, and then changed".

a111: Logged on 2018-05-02 11:03 spyked: speaking of which; to all ircbot users: I have a patch proposal for ircbot (and possibly logbot). the problem: nickserv authentication makes a distinction between "nickname" and "user". this allows e.g. to group multiple irc bots (with different nicks) under a single username and cloak. so my proposal is to add a new *optional* "user" slot to ircbot and use it for auth instead of "nick" when available

a111: Logged on 2018-04-03 19:46 spyked: mircea_popescu, it's good timing, since I've been doing some reading ircbot code and comparing with my own implementation. I've actually been contemplating http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-26#1786288 and rolling my own was not a wholly useless endeavour, i.e. http://trilema.com/2016/how-to-participate-in-the-affairs-of-the-most-serene-republic/#selection-322.0-322.5 so I'll document the whole thing on the blog.

mircea_popescu: think : if you take the time to say, i don't have to take the time to later ask. it's a penny saved, aka earned.

trinque: it'd have to; I can write a class that extends n other classes.

trinque: it's not a vtree on top of ircbot

mircea_popescu: "here's how i expect this to be used : a) ircbot is a basic class ; b) logbot is an extension of it ; c) if you're ever making a rss bot, scavenge the relevant parts off logbot, and put a different vtree on top of ircbot"

trinque: it's a descendent class thereof

spyked: my thought re trilema spec is having something along the lines of a "trilbot" that performs some of the basic scaffolding (self-voicing and command prefix parsing).

trinque: this imho is totally proper, atop that I've written a class logbot that extends ircbot, makes it write messages to a "log" table in postgresql, read outgoing messages from an "outbox" table

trinque: ircbot does nothing but connect to IRC, does nickserv auth, and provides a minimal api to send/receive messages

mircea_popescu: all this communication you opt to not do when it costs you a dime a page i then have to do later, at the cost of a dollar a word. it's fucking bs, save me money.

mircea_popescu: instead you just dump an endless pile of diffs that a) do multiple unrelated things and b) don't even betray any awareness of the process involved in all of this.

mircea_popescu: it means this : that instead of explicitly communicating state, a. "i r making rss bot" ; b. "hey trinque wtf, ircbot doesn't do voicing ?" ; c. "o well, stopped making rss bot, making voice module for ircbot to be able to make rss bot later" and THEN 1. pushing a voice patch to ircbot BEFORE d. "back to making rss bot"

mircea_popescu: do you have a value for "doing the polarbeard stupid" ? can you explain what it is ?

mircea_popescu: well, apparently he doesn't know what goes in $x. which... i have nfi how this is possible, but somehow it occured. "i am working on a thing" "who made it" "dunno" "vorwarts, soviet!"

trinque: there's a whole thread on whether or not "fuck you, I'm not marrying bot commands to postgresql" we're denying posterity here

trinque: spyked: did it ever cross your mind that command handling might be a solved problem too?

mircea_popescu: nevermind that part for now. do you have a value for $x in "hey $x". ☟︎

a111: Logged on 2018-05-25 12:38 spyked: so eventually I expect some of the rss bot components (e.g. command handling, self-voicing) to evolve into standalone scaffolding for #trilema bots that implements a decent subset of http://trilema.com/2016/trilema-bot-spec/