314900+ entries in 0.196s
mircea_popescu: imagine leah's disconcert when
teh republic pissed all over her face for JUSRT DOING HER JERB
PeterL: danielpbarron do you read
things like
the gospel of
thomas, or do you just stick with what is in
the
traditional bible?
PeterL: shinohai hipster don't shit in
the road
shinohai: As opposed
to stinking hipsters everywhere on bikes?
PeterL: <asciilifeform> ben_vulpes: i still can't fathom why bicycle is permitted but not horse. << horses leave piles of stinky shit lying everywhere, nobody wants
their roads covered in shit
danielpbarron: that's generally my position: not
thrilled about non-Bible establishment, but
totally in favor of kingdom in which Biblical law is enforced
mircea_popescu: anyway.
there's little doubt, if nothing else for gm reasons,
that
the original #bible-a was rather anti-establishment ; and
then got reshaped into something more
tolerant once
the wot involved ended up in power irl.
phf: it literally
takes an hour of research
to refute his claims
mircea_popescu: you're gonna be
the best read smartest dude out here ? fancy
that!
mircea_popescu: except
the ridiculousness of such on
the fucking internet... really ?
phf: well, i
think in
this case it's an attempt
to
throw sand, like "other early scholarly
texts i read
that you idiots didn't have wholly different words in
there"
mircea_popescu: but
this
text was set aside as obscure by scholars as early as five centuries later.
mircea_popescu: (generally "original greek" refers
to
the septuagint, ie,
the result of an effort
that actually predates and likely likely caused christ,
to
translate
the hebrew
texts into greek. it was a committee affair sponsored by
the ptolemaic autarchy in power in egypt.)
mircea_popescu: at least latin is by and large understood, as compared
to ancient obscure alexandrine greek
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron even something like
the vulgate (ie, jerome's ancient but otherwise very good latin version) would be useful
phf: that would be
the oldest known copy of romans ~in general~
phf: i.e opposition
to power/leaders/nofuckingambiguityhere ... god's will opposes
phf: antitasomenos
ti eksusia ... feu diatatagi anfestiken
phf: so i checked p46, and 13:1 is missing, but 13:2 follows
the
translation
that you give
danielpbarron: right, I don't mind going back
to original greek if
that's what's actually being done
mircea_popescu: but hey, snatch intro scene made derpage on
this
theme fashionable among
the crowd
that'd later constitute
the fight club electorate.
mircea_popescu: and by "early greek versions" of course he means some shoddy english commentary by some derp who in
turn does not read classical greek.
phf: danielpbarron:
this jason peirce guy is full of shit, he's
talking about "early greek versions" like he's got insight
trump into
true meaning
mircea_popescu: "oh wait... i don't want anyone
to fuck me... so... how about holding hands ?"
mircea_popescu: probably explains why
the drones never seem
to have any sex.
danielpbarron: apparently
there's even a "silver rule" which changes
the "do unto" into "don't do unto"
phf: i checked out when he went into a very
tedious explanation of what a
turing machine is
mircea_popescu: therapy is always a subjective endeavour.
the "therapist" is ~the wallpaper.
phf: i didn't get
that far :)
phf: his argument perhaps support what you're saying, because it's reduced
to "i wrote
this
thing, and if you say
this is
therapy,
then you are a waste of space"
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron
these fucking derps with "the golden rule" already. /me
turns
the page.
phf: mircea_popescu: i can't argue
the substance, but in weizenbaum's case he was saying
therapy requires empathy, where's
therapists were
talking up eliza
mircea_popescu: (incidentally,
the self-important ignorant derps are amusing au naturel, but for
the historian of ideas even more so!)
mircea_popescu: there is no such
thing as "real"
therapy ; which is why unsurprisingly
the charlatans are now predicating it on "empathy".
BingoBoingo: hmmm. I guess making one could be
third/fourth or fifth job
phf: 12 step bot, you could buy PAIP and learn
to write one yourself, a cleaned up eliza version for common lisp is somewhere
there in
the later chapters
BingoBoingo: So basically emacs
therapist, but with occasionally cheesy quotes and a 12 step orientation
phf: if you are looking for
the latter,
than i ching,
tarot layouts, markov chains
trained on philosophical and religious
texts
BingoBoingo: Well,
technically I'm looking for a sponsor more
than a
therapist
phf: well, weizenbaum's point is
that "real
therapy" relies on empathy, rather
than random feedback loop, which is more like divination/insight
techniques i might add
phf: alf recommended it, but i haven't gotten
through it yet
BingoBoingo: phf: I haven't read it, but I don't see anything wrong with
the idea
phf: BingoBoingo: did you read weizenbaum's "computer power and human reason", where his opening chapter is basically "people using eliza for actual
therapy? my god, why!"
danielpbarron: make your own markov bot;
those are kinda fun. Feed it your favorite
texts and see what comes out
BingoBoingo: phf: I looking for something
that runs locally
BingoBoingo: That
Tay character seems interesting, but I dun wanna run any microshit code or give it seekrits
BingoBoingo needs
to find a new
therapist. Emacs just hasn't been cutting it since I sobered up. Anyone know a better chatbot for
this. Preferably one I can run in emacs?
phf: but couldn't you give it
to charity?
phf: it's like
the whole
thing agitates so many cockroaches in head, goes into complete overload
mircea_popescu: "oh my fucking god, fucking horrible.
they started drinking with
the dawn, spent all day gangraping me,
then all night long
these
tedious endless meetings
to draw
the attention of
the collective
to immodest, unsoviet behaviours and identify & castigate
the guilty"
mircea_popescu: teh frenchwoman : "ah, it was fabulous,
the first day i was
the wife of pierre and jean-luc was my secret lover and autre-pierre was my autre-secret lover and
then next day stephen was my husband but he didn't know i was secretly married
to lucien and also..."
mircea_popescu: teh english rose : "oh, had a lovely
time, went for long walks on
the beach..." "but what about
the men ?" "oh, i did see some gentlemen, but we weren't introduced."
mircea_popescu: after which,
their reports are
taken as
to
their experience.
mircea_popescu: there's
this sociological experiment underway, consisting of secluding a woman and a dozen men of different countries.
mircea_popescu: did i
tell
the joke with
the various women in various countries ?
mircea_popescu: russia exists out of
the
tolerance
to poverty of its women and
the rich subsoil. not much call for
the latter in
the much slower economy of
the future. so rather
than buying bonds...
☟︎ pete_dushenski: now
that Great Divestment is upon us, i am in fact considering ru bonds.
pete_dushenski: can't bring myself
to calculate how [much] rich[er] i'd be at such rates.
pete_dushenski: reading 'titan' (mega-jdr bio) and longing for days of 3% income
tax for $600-10k, 5% over $10k
mircea_popescu: anyway, back
to
the horse and hay, mark
twain has a funny bit about his caballine purchase in drought-struck nevada.
pete_dushenski: might be
time
to change
the flavour of contravex
to
that of
the mrmoustacheguy
mircea_popescu: i used
to do
the same
thing, but meanwhile moved in a country where everyone pisses in
the govt's face. (seriously,
teh unions are actually putting up ads going "ganancia no es ingreso", ie,
they don't have fucking income
tax here)
pete_dushenski: i don't
think my lavishly publicised expenditures on eizos and lexuses are going
to help
that effort.
mircea_popescu: no, it's
the not-poorfag in you. maybe some rubs off on
these other louts!
pete_dushenski: so i largely avoid expenses
that i can't bill
to a company in one manner or another.
ben_vulpes: pete_dushenski: plugging his hole with
the pastes?
pete_dushenski: cuz i'm not sure i can even keep up with
the amount
this bam-bam eats.
ben_vulpes: less of a shooting and more of a staking out for carrion birds
though
pete_dushenski: but you can shoot car! just leave
to rust in farmer's field.