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asciilifeform: the tardz.
ben_vulpes: so basically someone who understands how asics work sat down and thought about it for half a second
asciilifeform: the kind of thing i assumed the existing producers HAD IN 2012
shinohai: It' a nice balmy 75 degrees here today, and I sit outside on my patio to irc.
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mod6: i hear you there. fuck, still snowing in my sector.
ben_vulpes: what is this optimization?
mod6: shinohai, what's the word on the street?
mod6 sells to open
mircea_popescu: mno, we're not discussing a religion, but a theology.
asciilifeform: ah, then it!
mircea_popescu: what a ustard thinks "science" is has a lot to do with what basil ii bulgaroktonos thought god was.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform "science" as the metaphysical concept. it's not what you and i mean by the proper term.
mircea_popescu: heck, the bulgarians spent a millenium trying to immitate byzantine ridiculousness.
mod6: 'imitation is the highest form of compliment'
asciilifeform: same reason the idiots run winblowz
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the reason i said 'not only intellectual property' is that cn is happy to piss on american patents but STILL continues to churn out straight knockoffs of usg crud
mod6: herp to the derp mod6
mod6: w/e btc only :] whatever that represents.
mircea_popescu: in spite of billions spent on "researchers" that had apparently so many better things to do.
mircea_popescu: anyway, i'd say the concept of pow was not well researched altogether, at that point.
midnightmagic: but there's a neat possible 20% algorithmic improvement in bitcoin mining that was just released that might eat bitfury/et al lunch.
mod6: (17:57) <+mircea_popescu> shinohai> I see there is no way shinohai can just donate the shares back to qntra and forget about it all. << you can prolly instruct jurov to sell them and donate proceeds to foundation say. << this is exactly the correct approach. this way we take a btc donation (tyvm!) and we continue to only hold M1
midnightmagic: memory-hard POW wasn't really researched well i don't think back when bitcoin was invented.
mircea_popescu: nah, it's becoming apparent to me that the WTC that needs bombing is exactly that.
mircea_popescu: what else, the army ?
asciilifeform: if it were only that!
mircea_popescu: yet another angle that shows the fundamental link between "intellectual property" and both the usg\s continued claims to financial power as well as the continued infestation of the free world.
mircea_popescu: or maybe the azn producers too unruly.
mircea_popescu: i dunno wtf they were thinking putting it in the chip rather than the ram. i guess nobody could have predicted mp kills moore together with gavin.
asciilifeform: but it would be mega-improvement if folks outside the большая зона were buyin'.
mircea_popescu: and we - by which i mean mostly not me - should be buying, at least by the pound.
asciilifeform: btw i found that old opteron is being sold surplus by the tonne
mircea_popescu: fuck you, how about that, next person who feels the need to ask.
mircea_popescu: but... people prefer to sit on ass and wonder "what are the criteria" bla bla.
mircea_popescu: this plan to stockpile proper chips etc goes hand in hand with a republic-isp, incidentally, becauyse who else to own hardware ☟︎☟︎
mircea_popescu: the irony is that well... NOT LIKE NEWER CHIPS WILL BE BETTER
asciilifeform: i just installed spiffy upgrade in january, from circa-'06 to '08 opteronz!
mircea_popescu: but yes, one thing the republic might consider is a stockpile of proper amd chips
mircea_popescu: for as long as that lasts.
asciilifeform: hey they're still usable!111 just dun buy post-'13 chip.
mircea_popescu: anyway. yes amd gave us usable computers for a five-year plan longer than'd have been otherwise possible.
asciilifeform: but let's not conflate the two
mircea_popescu: there is that. but it'd be a self-bake sorta deal.
asciilifeform: mips is ~100 lines of verilog, if i had to pick an arch we could potentially bake one day, i'd pick that.
mircea_popescu: anyway this pipermail list... when i see all the shitty signatures i get nausea.
mircea_popescu: which term includes any and all tax-paying entities there.
mircea_popescu: not to mention there's a whole colonization of amd in the arm space.
mircea_popescu: also why the fuck does he even have mips on that list, i thought they had their own bs.
asciilifeform: in particular, tivoization means that ~your pc is a nintendo~ with microshit - holding the signing key.
asciilifeform: the linked essay speaks for itself, described - for n00bz - precisely why merely cutting off the net pipe does not sanitize a box.
asciilifeform: nor against tendrils that seek out and 'specifically diddle', e.g, gmp mult.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: airgap will not help against tivoization.
asciilifeform: i looked far and wide, even turned up, e.g., that renesas still manufactures the super-H (sega!)
asciilifeform: the cpu situation is dire, far more so than anyone here realizes afaik.
mircea_popescu: jurov how many does he have ? a few hundred should come to something in dollars, is that too micropayment for bitcoin donations ?
asciilifeform: back to thread, briefly, i regularly survey the market for cpu-that-could-bitcoinate
asciilifeform: just as a broken-down toyota in a tow yard is more of 'car' than a rusty ww2 tank sans engine.
mircea_popescu: and ejaculating on a face is closer to actual reproduction than ejaculating on sugar cubes.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: ah in that sense yes. but it is STILL an intermediate product, far closer to actual src than binarysoup.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the relationship between sane bitcoin source as available on trb www and "bitcoin" is THE SAME as the relation between a sane implementation of tetris and "running tetris"
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: rotor takes you from bare metal (currently x86 and arm but potentially vax or whatever) to bitcoin.
mircea_popescu: incidentally BingoBoingo that email might be worth a qntrization.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: trb's www
asciilifeform: briefly back to thread, every other month or so i do an exhaustive survey of commercially-available cpu
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform and the "full source" does WHAT ?
mircea_popescu: ^is there more substance to this than stargazing ?
mircea_popescu: "=== RISCV === While this architecture is extremely limited in performance, price, and performance per watt compared to x86, ARM, or POWER, it is also one of the only fully open source CPU architectures available outside of an FPGA. and may eventually be competitive with MIPS in terms of raw performance. Currently there are no RISCV SoCs in production, however projects such as lowRISC aim to change that: http://www.lowrisc.
mircea_popescu: and same is true of bitcoin.\
asciilifeform: afaik every single on without exception includes 'licensed' crapolade that is documented nowhere
asciilifeform: arm would be usable if there were EVEN ONE documented arm chip available.
asciilifeform: but ftr i discussed the intel and amd 'palladium' engines in detail in the old logz.
mircea_popescu: basically the only actually usable thing in his list is arm
asciilifeform: otherwise works about as well as the winblowz defense.
mircea_popescu: in tmsr court it is.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if 'rule of law' were an actual thing, aha
asciilifeform: i have this machine, sweated over it for ages, no useful result.
mircea_popescu: so this is an absolute defense against any and all accusations of "computer crime" for as long as the hardware involved is post 2009 intel / 2013 amd.
asciilifeform: it contains evil gpu without which it is unusable, and there is NO known doc for it
asciilifeform: one nitpick: the c201 chromebook he recommends as a potential arm box is a TURD
asciilifeform: not actually news, note, to veterans of tmsr
mircea_popescu: hm davout re http://fr.anco.is/2016/so-long-paymium do you actually want to try and wire settlements going forward ? or best close it ? ☟︎
jurov: unless mod6/ben_vulpes instruct me to keep the shares as intangible property of the foundation... imo not happening with such qty
mircea_popescu: shinohai> I see there is no way shinohai can just donate the shares back to qntra and forget about it all. << you can prolly instruct jurov to sell them and donate proceeds to foundation say.
PeterL: S.MG with an earnings of 0.14%, that's better than my savings account
mircea_popescu: shinohai> bleh << so then sell them ?
PeterL: and I don't think the liabilites add up right?
mircea_popescu: mmm this needs some fixing PeterL onesec
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: This is a safe one related to liked craigslist lulz
BingoBoingo: See shinohai habit can be trained
PeterL: actually, looks like player holdings should be a negative change too?
PeterL: <deedbot-> [Trilema] MiniGame (S.MG), March 2016 Statement - http://trilema.com/2016/minigame-smg-march-2016-statement/ << mircea_popescu shouldn't the shareholder's equity change be -1.x instead of +1.x?
BingoBoingo: PeterL: That's what I'm suggesting too, but I'm suggesting he makes a bigger pile to do it with
PeterL: shinohai why not sell them?
asciilifeform: aren't there 1,001 of these ?
shinohai: I see there is no way shinohai can just donate the shares back to qntra and forget about it all.
BingoBoingo: So now you are saying you gotta write more to become a stronger person in general
shinohai: Certainly not, I find great joy in reading but writing may as well be Chinese water torture for me.
BingoBoingo: What, you write lines in the channel. You aren't illiterate.
BingoBoingo: You've got to cultivate a habit shinohai