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mats: if it weren't for uber i'd own a vehicle
that sits unpowered 95% of
the
time
phf: this is evil, evil incarnate, i
tell ya
phf: asciilifeform: well, precisely.
they are
talking about running unmodified binaries and doing jit syscall
translation. not something cygwin supports
mircea_popescu: hey mod6 can you be persuaded
to fire up eulora and do a craft for me ?
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes
the fact you use
them shows just how badly oyu have it.
there's also people who use
tampons / shit bags
to great effect. we call
these people women /
the pope, and dun wanna be
them.
ben_vulpes: which by
the way i use regularly
to great effect
mats: i don't understand what kind of strategic advantage
they see in
this
phf: mats: ah, so
that makes sense
phf: asciilifeform: i don't
think cygwin
translates syscalls, it was more of half-baked mingw
mats: what i remember from
the BUILD keynote about
this is
there's an ELF loader and
translate syscalls
mats: they're bringing back
the 'personalities' feature
phf: they could probably make it as intrusive as
they want
phf: so
they have a linux kernel manage
the processes, and
then
they write keyboard/"console"/mouse drivers for it
phf: mats: i
think
they are going
the linux-in-userspace route
ben_vulpes: yes in progress
that's why i bring it up
mats: i'm curious what is going
to happen with
the syscalls
that don't map cleanly
ben_vulpes: the microshitification of linux will not be complete until ms ships a windows
that also does all of
the linux syscalls
phf: fwiw gtk has been compromising x for year,
that's where "remote x is useless" misconception comes from. you can run x emacs on a dialup even (i was doing it on dsl in
the early 2000s), but of course running any kind of gtk app fails miserably, because library pushes gratuitous (and unoptimizable by simple RLE) gradients across wire just
to render a button.
☟︎ phf: freedesktop strategy is
to create an abstraction layer on
top of base
tools
that makes
things "simpler", and
then
transparently switch
the base. in
this case value of gtk & sdl
to wreckers is
that
they both operate on wayland already. sdl seems somewhat sane but i wouldn't be surprised if gnome deprecates
their X support at some point
☟︎ a111: Logged on 2016-04-12 22:36 phf: speaking of walls and x11, i walked into a comment section of some "game ported
to linux" post. guy opted for native xlib/opengl, so he got a wall full of "x11 is deprecated, everyone's moving
to wayland, use sdl2". ironically in
the post itself he says " when searching for answers
to questions
that weren’t made quite clear in
the documentation, often people
that had
the same questions I did received answers like ‘Use SDL’, or ‘Use GTK
shinohai: Solid use of
that 3.5 million in funding for sure, no one wants
the shit.
shinohai: SO it appears
the airbnb/changetip deal doesn't involve
the changetip codebase.
shinohai: anywho am grateful for
the opportunity
to contribute somewhat.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: You had
that point before I did.
mircea_popescu: shinohai he has a point ;
there's no other way
than practice.
shinohai: Only reasonable way I know
to acquire shares/Bitcoins
to hoard. Unless go back
to reddit and suck ass for changetip.
BingoBoingo: shinohai: It's
the only way
to learn. I discovered
that when I
took mircea_popescu's advice and started writing crap.
shinohai: BingoBoingo: been
trying
to
take your advice and do just
that, write crap for no good reason
mircea_popescu: srsly
tho, do a search for linux gaming one day, you'll fall over.
mircea_popescu: let me guess, it was "community consensus" on reddit, on
the basis of
their locally mutated gavin and some "experts"
they consulted.
phf: well,
they deprecated gnupg,
they can deprecate x11. people on linux!
mircea_popescu: eulora uses opengl, and
that's ~100% of all linux gaming.
phf: speaking of walls and x11, i walked into a comment section of some "game ported
to linux" post. guy opted for native xlib/opengl, so he got a wall full of "x11 is deprecated, everyone's moving
to wayland, use sdl2". ironically in
the post itself he says " when searching for answers
to questions
that weren’t made quite clear in
the documentation, often people
that had
the same questions I did received answers like ‘Use SDL’, or ‘Use GTK
☟︎ phf: asciilifeform: of course it is of archaeological interest, jeez have
to make disclaimers on links, else get wall of logs ;)
BingoBoingo: <shinohai> I didn't figure out an angle for it,
therefore left it
to simmer on back burner. << maybe start writing, see if an angle emerges?
mircea_popescu: (and since we're discussing german firsts -
the fucking reason steak's so good
today is
that well... ww1 germanz needed leather, imported as much as argentina could produce. so it begun.)
mircea_popescu: possibly
the worst political cock-up of all
time,
trying
to empirebuild with italians.
mircea_popescu:
http://www.loper-os.org/?p=854&cpage=1#comment-2720 << if you recall, someone did. a humorless german dude, and as a result italy gets
to fraudulently claim it's a "nation" and "part of europe", rather
than
the arab brothel sicily was leading it
towards
throughout
the middle ages (which,
there, last until 1960 and after)
mircea_popescu: ;;google carlin is
the greatest and "how
to make money renting out
the space inside your nose"
mircea_popescu: it's no coincidence
that all
the us "culture" can produce is "10 ways
to bla bla".
mircea_popescu: but
the sad fact is
that most us companies' stock in
trade is "intellectual property"
mircea_popescu: like everything else in
that country.
this stuff is painfully visible, and so ridiculous on some level.
mircea_popescu: whatever
the fuck i write on it, it's still gonna pay.
mircea_popescu: it\s a joke,
this "enforcing" mechanism. consists of nothing more
than me presenting a signed check
to a company i own
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes kinda why
the whole "usg
takes as much from 'coffers' of usg corps as it needs"
thing in macroeconomy discussion few days ago.
ben_vulpes cackles madly back into
the aws java sdk
shinohai: I didn't figure out an angle for it,
therefore left it
to simmer on back burner.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform:
that's not how
things work!
shinohai: ^ I almost Qntra'd
that
today ben_vulpes
ben_vulpes: also iirc copping
to fradulent statements in securitization documents
mircea_popescu: yeah, and part and parcel of
the explanation as
to WHY us "won
the space race"