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mircea_popescu: anyway ok, brb hacking something together we see.
mircea_popescu: lol prev art for req';d trilema article to be found... on trilema. my heads ;/
asciilifeform: i'd take that as a gold standard.
asciilifeform: esp. if you count the commentz
asciilifeform: (not a single old-timer i ever linked to the logz, ever came...)
mircea_popescu: did you ever see write-up of similar that seemed good to you ?
asciilifeform: not the logz, that is
mircea_popescu: happy to remedy, describe defects plox.
mircea_popescu: i would think logs best. do you think they're defective in some way ?
asciilifeform: then i can write to some folks.
asciilifeform: that i can link to?
asciilifeform: is there something other than the logz where it lives ?
a111: Logged on 2016-04-12 13:19 mircea_popescu: incidentally : anyone on friendly terms with cs depts at unis / cs profs, plox get in touch, i have a little scheme i could use your halp with. ty!
mircea_popescu: basically i suspect we accidentally collided (via eulora, no less!) with a group of well meaning fellows that are argentinia-level managed and perhaps there's a joining available. we see.
asciilifeform: (never mind that you can do this in 100 or so lines of ordinary scheme - no, the wankers gotta have the square brackets, 'laziness', other nonsense, PERMA-welded on)
mircea_popescu: or was that pepsi
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if you're thinking of the prog lang by same name, it is trendoid rubbish
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you recall pretty much you ever said about the turd, i never contested.
asciilifeform: pretty much everything i ever said re the turd, is demonstrated true.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the openssl link is gold, mega-recommended
mircea_popescu: apparently there's something calling tiself "ΩF:∅" doing something or the other
mircea_popescu: which is what they generally mean by "civilised". antibiological and inhuman.
mircea_popescu: jurov> so you mean "political" == "imposed by biological human condition"... << no. there is nothing biological or human about political space. it is antibiological and inhuman.
a111: Logged on 2016-04-08 15:36 mircea_popescu: here's how spears work : they have a business end and a handle. the handle - always points toward you. the business end - always points to the enemy.
mircea_popescu: jurov> everything we observe and talk about is then "political" << and so it is. re the public/private distinction made by the republic. it further follows that anything public in a space poisoned by the socialist ideology will be political. you know, from polithea, shitpit.
mircea_popescu: they're all the same thing, these.
mircea_popescu: plox to also revisit the discussion re shitty computers and "number", and how the field of even numbers is "not contiguous" scl.
mircea_popescu: jurov> eh, get away. all empires had to observe the same astronomical events << the concept of "event" is fundamentally distinct from your notion of "time".
mircea_popescu: not anymore than there exists "fuckability"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform they only find out they don't agree through a before/after violation.
a111: Logged on 2016-04-08 20:36 mircea_popescu: davout i have nfi what you did here. for one thing, shareholders don't get 86, they get 86 + 1% of resolveed bets - 13.37
a111: Logged on 2016-04-08 21:00 mircea_popescu: davout for my curiosity, did you move the hotwallet funds or did you pass the codebase along with the hotwallet ?
mircea_popescu: i let you know already! http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-08#1449011 and http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-08#1449050 and in general, if you're taking the weekend off or not you still have to read the log. at the absolute very least your own highlights ffs. ☝︎☝︎☟︎
deedbot-: [fr.anco.is] BitBet receivership third progress report - http://fr.anco.is/2016/bitbet-receivership-third-progress-report
jurov: everything we observe and talk about is then "political"
jurov: so you mean "political" == "imposed by biological human condition"... but then the term is so all-encompassing and vague and thus useless.
jurov: when ancien cultires tracked equinoxes for agriculture purposes, was that political too?
jurov: what does political time have with it? does nonpolitical time even exist?
asciilifeform: at any rate, thread was about 'absolute time', counted from some agreed-upon zero
asciilifeform: punkman: ancient news, there is one in the museum where i live
asciilifeform: go sync naval chronometer to that.
jurov: like, planets are the same on bith hemispheres
jurov: stuff along the ecliptic is visible from all inhabitated places...
shinohai: Sync boxes with the official trilema sundial.
jurov: eh, get away. all empires had to observe the same astronomical events
asciilifeform: such a thing can only exist as a ritual of empire, consider where we got GMT.
asciilifeform: what there ~isn't~ and won't be is a unified planetary clock independent of the inca empire of the day...
asciilifeform: but 'there is no when' is bullshit, you can ~create~ the 'when'.
asciilifeform: if your application needs agreement on time xxxx km away, you have no choice but to have synced cesium clock on each end.
a111: Logged on 2016-04-13 05:37 mircea_popescu: trinque> and who, of course << there is no "when" outside of before/after other than yet another derpy attempt by usg to matter, which ~nobody gives a shit about. (see also http://btcbase.org/log/2015-07-08#1193955 re that if you care)
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-13#1451032 << nav satellites actually won't work at all unless they agree on 'what nanosecond IS IT NOW' globally - but notice, they gotta carry own clocks for this. ☝︎
shinohai: Here's one to make you cringe asciilifeform https://github.com/davidapple/davemail
asciilifeform: also look forward to the nsa 'fix' for this 'bug'.
a111: Logged on 2016-04-13 09:03 punkman: https://eprint.iacr.org/2016/367 "we demonstrate various weaknesses of the random number generator (RNG) in the OpenSSL cryptographic library"
shinohai: ;;later tell BingoBoingo http://ix.io/wz7
punkman: https://eprint.iacr.org/2016/367 "we demonstrate various weaknesses of the random number generator (RNG) in the OpenSSL cryptographic library" ☟︎☟︎
trinque: that recently caused me to change the "last updated at" on deedbot.org to use a block number in place of a timestamp.
a111: Logged on 2015-07-08 23:22 decimation: also describing it as 'political time' when the policy is 'matches easily observable astronomical phenomena' seems a bit hyperbolic
mircea_popescu: trinque> and who, of course << there is no "when" outside of before/after other than yet another derpy attempt by usg to matter, which ~nobody gives a shit about. (see also http://btcbase.org/log/2015-07-08#1193955 re that if you care) ☝︎☟︎
mircea_popescu: mats> $20, even $10, i get it, but $12? << market forces. prolly the price of a suficient number of hot pocketz or w/e.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform this isn't how mitm works. so what, mike_c gets fed bad data, and then we see it, and then what.
mircea_popescu: trinque> I've yet to be convinced that the database isn't a thing << hey, i've been following your crusade from the foxhole, i dun see that it lost as of yet.
mircea_popescu: (yes, obviously could ddos the site, permanently)
mircea_popescu: even exposed their shitty locking policies lolz.
mircea_popescu: literotica recent thing being a lulzy point in case
mircea_popescu: trinque> there are myriad ddos reasons one might not want any user to be able to interrogate the db << technically, all php driven websites are just a thin wrapper over user-driven mysql calls.
trinque: the bitbet auction pointed at the same problem, which looks more v-tronic the more I think about it
ben_vulpes: notrly, it haunts me as i go to sleep
ben_vulpes: shits txen into mother postgres as they come down the pipe
ben_vulpes: i have a pgbomination wired into trb somewhere in my working tree.
mats: oh hello there ☟︎
trinque: then my gossipd deednode chatters about rating deeds to mike_c after x confirmations
trinque: doing the fundamentally right thing here, I think, involves the act of rating being that you make a deed of a signed statement which is your rating.
trinque: I am entirely willing to do a shitty thing that doesn't kill me while I am waiting for something else.
trinque: and what the fuck is rss
a111: Logged on 2016-04-13 03:54 trinque: mike_c: anyhow, until asciilifeform writes me a CLOS persistence layer with ACID, a declarative permissions model, and networking, gpg me the IP you'd be coming from and I'll open that in the firewall then shoot you a psql user/pass
trinque: and ftr, the dream described above *would be a motherfucking database*
trinque: mike_c: anyhow, until asciilifeform writes me a CLOS persistence layer with ACID, a declarative permissions model, and networking, gpg me the IP you'd be coming from and I'll open that in the firewall then shoot you a psql user/pass ☟︎
mod6: mike_c: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-07-2014#758070 << these are the real deals 'eh? ☝︎
trinque: there are obvious problems that fall out of many programs diddling the same data concurrently, or users of different levels of access interacting with the same data model, or what happens when I didn't write all the damn data successfully, or... or...
trinque: further, any system that manages a large pile of persistent data will end up reinventing ACID, relational integrity, so on, in the same manner that any object system may eventually find it is some degree of shitty subset of CLOS
trinque: I've yet to be convinced that the database isn't a thing.
asciilifeform: this smacks of the proverbial 'for 20k, i drill my OWN holez!'
trinque: but then, you could even split it such that certain users may only use certain views, others may create their own queries
trinque: wot seems to solve that, and is exactly the reason I'm willing to open the db to mike_c
trinque: there are myriad ddos reasons one might not want any user to be able to interrogate the db
mircea_popescu: i still suspect there's a good reason this doesn't work tho.
mircea_popescu: and this is even before any flash blabla.
trinque: may its hellish syntax hold the line
mircea_popescu: i'd sure as fuck trade in html soup in exchange for sql.
mircea_popescu: "to the users' perceived needs".
mircea_popescu: at least temporarily, for as long as the usual fucktards don't "improve" sql to be more... "responsive"
trinque: I had an old boss who thought the web ought to be composed of interlinked databases rather than "websites", certainly not the only man to say this
mircea_popescu: basically once bdb is killed in bitcoin we can just have a standared tmsr db and just do this ?
mircea_popescu: hm. i wonder why this isn't more often done then ?
trinque: sure, he's in my WoT, happy to grant him access to some tables
mircea_popescu: wow is that actually practical ?
trinque: mike_c: then you can perform whatever queries are useful to you when you sync data
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> asciilifeform "ex boxer" just evals to "fat". << His pictures seem to acurately represent his self declared 50 or so pounds over fighting weight.
mircea_popescu: btw trinque what was the thing with btcalpha interconnect ? got a rss or something for mike_c ?