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a111: Logged on 2018-07-12 13:36 asciilifeform: 1 of the things i'd like to do, supposing trinque hasn't yet already made it, is to replace the horrid gui-laden boot usb stick currently in pizarro bilge, with a cuntoo stick.
a111: Logged on 2018-07-12 13:32 asciilifeform: hats off to trinque , pretty great item. ( as i understand , we will still need a troo tmsr tarballs mirror, and coupla other things. but it's a good start, 100% musltronic gentoo. )
trinque: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-12#1833782 << mirror needed indeed. I have a pizarro box racked with giant platters for this ☝︎
trinque: (there are probably fixes also needed to the binpkg system, such that i.e. timestamps of the build are not in there, ruining bit-identity)
trinque: back on the bin-packages, these become much more interesting with a reproducible-build gcc. I understand ave1's to be very close, if not there already
trinque: /cuntoo dir is what I continue to work on. vtronic portage will sit in there. when released, diana_coman can replace the whole /cuntoo dir with the final item
asciilifeform: i left it as-is, in the interest of authenticity.
asciilifeform: trinque: i suspected , so i left it alone.
trinque: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-12#1833743 << that dir is the infection vector, and builds packages so infection can be swift. packages can be deleted, and perhaps distfiles too if the user is going to keep them elsewhere (i.e. off box) ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-07-12 11:36 asciilifeform: trinque's original also does something i consider ugly, it allows lilo to refer to disks/partitions by 'uuid' rather than device path, imho this should not be done ( it resembles poettering's warcrime against nic device names, and makes hand-tuning needlessly difficult )
trinque: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-12#1833748 << this I did to allow building the system as a USB-attached external drive, which could later be plugged in as primary hd and still boot. recall I started my gentoo experiments with "infectious gentoo" as a target ☝︎
asciilifeform: i.e. 'r-12' ??
asciilifeform: diana_coman: ty for putting it in the log, i'd like to find the answer to the riddle.
asciilifeform: ( btw if anybody discovers a viable replacement for the pl2303 snake that dun cost an arm and leg and dun include flashable chips, i'd like to hear about it )
diana_coman: asciilifeform, yes, I will certainly carry out the tests ofc but this was what I observed atm
asciilifeform: i've operated up to 7 on 1 linux box simultaneously , without problems ( the linux usb tweak from section 2 of operating manual http://nosuchlabs.com/hardware.html is required if using 3 or greater )
asciilifeform: i have my box set to stty... both on boot, so i never observed this effect. possible quirk of the pl2302 driver. i recommend , as in any battlefield installation of FG, to carry out the s.nsa-recced tests.
asciilifeform: or do i misread , and both now work ??
diana_coman: asciilifeform, BingoBoingo access to box & config confirmed; FG on ttysUSB0 had a wobble at first and I don't understand why: I ran the stty -F /dev/ttyUSB0 115200 raw -echo -echoe -echok and then tried dd iflag=fullblock if=/dev/ttyUSB0 | hexdump -C but nothing came up; then I ran the stty on usb1 as well and tried again and it...worked; any idea wtf was that at first? ☟︎
asciilifeform: i wasn't aware that we had one ?
asciilifeform: 1 of the things i'd like to do, supposing trinque hasn't yet already made it, is to replace the horrid gui-laden boot usb stick currently in pizarro bilge, with a cuntoo stick. ☟︎
asciilifeform: hats off to trinque , pretty great item. ( as i understand , we will still need a troo tmsr tarballs mirror, and coupla other things. but it's a good start, 100% musltronic gentoo. ) ☟︎
asciilifeform: i expect that trinque will find this thread to be of interest, when he comes back.
diana_coman: yes, hence my "I get it that some parts were of public interest too but they can be discussed anyway, with ref to a paste of the stuff if needed "
diana_coman: re vtools fwiw I pressed it fine with traditional vtron
diana_coman: asciilifeform, will do; atm I'm gathering all the stuff from the log; wouldn't it make more sense next time to just send it together with access stuff? I get it that some parts were of public interest too but they can be discussed anyway, with ref to a paste of the stuff if needed
asciilifeform: diana_coman: possibly i'm mistaken , will have to actually try the new vtool ( and whether it can be pressed with traditional vtron ) .
asciilifeform: aa lol i forgot . diana_coman feel free to switch it.
diana_coman: asciilifeform, it's on, you wrote it while I was writing mine and it got into the moderating queue
asciilifeform submitted comment re above, but i think filter ate it ?
asciilifeform: 6) i emerged 2 proggies, 'app-misc/mc' (midnight commander) and 'usbutils' , which i needed during debugging.
asciilifeform: ( i dun blame trinque , afaik this is default lilo behaviour nowadays ) but i fixed.
asciilifeform: trinque's original also does something i consider ugly, it allows lilo to refer to disks/partitions by 'uuid' rather than device path, imho this should not be done ( it resembles poettering's warcrime against nic device names, and makes hand-tuning needlessly difficult ) ☟︎
asciilifeform: (3) contains 2 mistakes by asciilifeform re partition map; ergo , i wrote a 4) http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/A94DS/?raw=true << install-corrected.sh << which reflects necessary changes to partition map ( and removes the console-via-rs232 that remained from trinque's orig experiment )
asciilifeform: are hardbaked into kernel. trinque as i understand is working on an automatic process for this.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: entirely musltronic, made out of http://trinque.org/2018/07/06/cuntoo-bootstrapper-preview . i am preparing a summary of all changes just nao.
diana_coman: asciilifeform, re ssh key, pizarro already has mine, just use that one; re box: I've read through the logs and in the end I'm still confused as to *what* is in there now - is it musltronic system or not?
mircea_popescu: incidentally... i can't fucking believe the 2010s failed to produce a pornstar named justine beaver.
asciilifeform: i'ma bbl: bedtime
asciilifeform: i.e. 'this dun run, the pertinent iron aint there'
trinque: I do in fact have an initramfs tool also sitting on desk. portage makes it rather easy to blast ebuilds into an arbitrary chroot at install
asciilifeform: trinque: i have no prob with your 'cemented' approach to kernel, it is Right Thing; mine simply not caught up yet ( december 2017 build )
trinque: other than that, I'd be curious why the hell the kernel wasn't capable of pulling an adult root up itself. usually this is because the kernel was again, built for allcomers, or more specifically for linux users afraid of configuring a kernel (present company excluded, of course). this ends. ☟︎
trinque: as for initramfs-ism, it has its place (i.e. embedded systems with peculiar root, squashfs + overlayfs or the like)
trinque: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-11#1833642 << I am racist against modulism, as long expressed and explicit in the script ☝︎
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> hey BingoBoingo , does this box have FG ? i dun see a /dev/ttyUSB0 << I installed 2
asciilifeform: meanwhile i'ma take a bit of break, will check back 1ce moar before sleep.
mod6: I think we've got enough to get us by for the time being. but if we do a rockchip order of 96 or whatever, then we're gonna be short by something like 60. (given each rc customer would take like 1 fg eac)
asciilifeform: i'd also like to be rid of xilinx sooner rather than later.
asciilifeform: i'd really rather not, tho, they are extremely labour-intensive to test, on acct of the very modest speed of entropy generation.
mod6: right, but I had thought that perhaps s.nsa was gonna have smore baked, if there was a formal order for moarar.
mod6: perhaps I just need to do some log searching. feel free to tell me just to hit the logs.
mod6: one question that I was thinking about today... I know we've been over this a few times before... but did Pizarro ever put in a formal order for say, 100 more FGs?
asciilifeform: hey BingoBoingo , does this box have FG ? i dun see a /dev/ttyUSB0
asciilifeform: mod6: given the hour, i suspect that our customer is asleep , so s.mg-on-cuntoo will prolly happen tomorrow.
mod6: Lords and Ladies of The Most Serene Republic, my personal node is again fully sync'd and chugging along. I have re-added it to the list of advertised republican nodes.
asciilifeform: i'ma bbl in about 1hr.
asciilifeform: all in all this was quite a bit! closer to an automatic process than asciilifeform expected ! nifty piece of work, trinque . ( yes it had typo , and a few minor uglies i'll comment on later, but overall -- worx , ~unmodified, or at least would if i had a fully demodularized kernel )
asciilifeform: currently i am not able to make use of trinque's builder ( even though i fed it my kernel config verbatim ) as it does not handle the building and installation of the ramdisk where modules live ( dulap kernel is not presently cleansed of modulism )
asciilifeform: soooooo diana_coman , mircea_popescu , i was able to bring up the box strictly by copying over a copy of my own dulap kernel
asciilifeform: this is why i have no nic.
BingoBoingo: I am not seeing whole lan. I am still talking to Qntra from outside our block
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i've seen 0 flicker on pizarro pipes, period, since i plugged dulap in.
mircea_popescu: i don't think i ever saw a pipe live a whole month.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: nope. they are not. i had one going since early june.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I have witnessed the alf problem solving process on this datacenter floor
mircea_popescu preloads a "shush, mr 'i removed swap but forgot to edit the sda count resulting in nonbootable item'!" in the buffer just in case it's needed.
asciilifeform: in other omissions in trinque's cuntoo : lspci util. ( kernel build, box dun see nic, and i have no means of determining what the actual nic is, without again resetting into the live stick )
a111: Logged on 2018-07-11 13:56 diana_coman: yes; I suppose it would have helped to have in the list there the move form sha to keccak
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: try to endure the fan winds for another 20min (tops), i might need your magic hands again shortly
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I reset without USB stick
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i asked you to ping back, not to immediately lay hands on the box.
mircea_popescu: i think this is actually a great tie-in for "corpoate events". drive people from mission district to eugene for "axing party". when they find out who got laid off.
asciilifeform: modern cn is big on the 'soft power' thing. i suppose calculated that it is cheaper to give the anglos toys and wait for'em to self-euthanize, than to war.
asciilifeform: i actually have nfi why they do it.
mircea_popescu: i would be much surprised if the current trend continues, where the chinese keep making the pacis for the ustards.
mircea_popescu: anyway, the important point ~everyone~ (and i don't mean in pantsuitland, at all. it's not the "gender wars" people, it's the "scientists" and "engineers" and whatnot) avoids like snails avoid salt is that THEY WERE WRONG.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i know, right ?
mircea_popescu: it's funny, though, i spent the 90s thinking "oh, man, videoconfereincing will be SO COOL!!!" and then the 2010s going "fuck you and your stupid camera, get on irc like normal people. i really don't need to see you sweat."
asciilifeform: point was, i suspect that there cannot be such a thing as 'sane video www', there is elementarily no way to pay for the necessary bw with honest money
mircea_popescu: i'm like ye olde admirality, comissioning maps of the seven seas.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i wouldn't dignify that shitshow with a mention, from the engineering pov. everyone involved i know of is deeply ashamed of their participation.
a111: Logged on 2018-07-10 18:50 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i can only admire the level of http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-26#1829969 conspiraci : clueless girly logs on, it ~immediately~ resets its connection and launches a new one. 100% the cheapest most effectual confusion factor.
asciilifeform: in the '80s, sony (yes) tried to make a latex that natively writes to a screen. ('sony news' workstation). i dunno how well it worked, they got out of comp biznis..
mircea_popescu: the sooner i don't have to hear pdf anymore the better.
a111: Logged on 2018-07-11 20:47 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-11#1833462 << why though ? i can't for the life of me imagine how one's to have glyphs otherwise, for one thing, and honestly didn't it start out hygienic ?
asciilifeform: i do occasionally use x on headless boxen, on lan.
a111: Logged on 2018-07-11 20:43 mircea_popescu: though i recall asciilifeform making noises about using X on servers ? perhaps the only person who does, i dunno.
asciilifeform: oooh and i found why no boot : root=/dev/sda3 console=ttyS0,115200n8 << oughta be sda2 , given as i abolished swap
a111: Logged on 2018-07-11 18:40 phf: i'm unconvinced there can be such a thing as hygienic latex, possibly there can be ghostscript if you pull out the pdf support (?)
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-11#1833462 << why though ? i can't for the life of me imagine how one's to have glyphs otherwise, for one thing, and honestly didn't it start out hygienic ? ☝︎☟︎
mircea_popescu: though i recall asciilifeform making noises about using X on servers ? perhaps the only person who does, i dunno. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: i see you've been having funtoo ?
asciilifeform: box is 1) wedged on boot , at 'booting kernel' or some unknowable later point 2) i cannot reset it from here , will need interactive help from BingoBoingo , and not once but several times ( if permitted to boot into trinque's cuntoo, and no worky, needs reset )
diana_coman: and then I read next line, lol
asciilifeform: diana_coman: ban mask seems to already be in trinque's recipe ( i'ma add the missing flag ) ; make -j32 i will add.
phf: i'm unconvinced there can be such a thing as hygienic latex, possibly there can be ghostscript if you pull out the pdf support (?) ☟︎
asciilifeform: ( neither belongs on server, so i've not put much attention in it as of yet )
phf: i think we might've discussed how all these utility libraries (particularly freedesktop ones) are the holes through which the darkness comes. poppler is one of them, a fork of venerable xpdf it is now everywhere where pdf manipulation is done, naturally with no way to turn of said manipulation when need be
phf: just curious, i'm trying to figure out where to draw the line on hairshirts. postscript pulls poppler for its pdf backend (so does latex, etc. but i'm not even going there)