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bvt: 2. by tty model of linux, you don't pull data using tty driver, the driver pushes the data though several abstraction layers. i would have grok this stuff as well. there is at least one other driver that needs this functionality (for connecting a screenreader to a tty), so i can figure out stuff by looking at what it does.
snsabot: Logged on 2018-06-12 20:54:54 mircea_popescu: anyway, your design is dysfunctional in that (even allowing for it modelling somewhat close to reality, which i have no faith it does) suppose today someone gives you a working pill, and june 27th google patches the hole. and the someone says "dood, i have nfi, i honestly didn't tell anyone anything".
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-23 12:34:46 spyked: asciilifeform, IMHO the custom markup idea for new blogotron ain't bad, but it might piss off ppl used to mp-wp, who still use ye olde html tags. I'm curious to hear opinions, given that I'm working on this exact thing for thetarpit
mircea_popescu: i could write say 8 or so more adnotations today. will not, because i can't fucking take moar "o look what i read in washington vice"
mircea_popescu: i really don't ~want~ to give anything to these moral repugnants in the first place.
hanbot: i don't think it'd require bringing douchebags in; have a list of unsolved refs, assign a reviewer for public submissions (i'd volunteer), award if solved, relationship can end there.
mircea_popescu: you don't grow the pantsuit from visual contact with that dude's bald head directly
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-23#1930304 << possibly mircea_popescu won't believe that it is possible when doing 25yrs in usaschwitz, but : asciilifeform never saw 'seinfeld' . should i ? ( and, will turn into vegetable immediately ?! ) iirc it was 1 of those ameri-'comedians' where 0 actual humour, and audience had to be 'reminded to laugh' via taped laffs ?
spyked: asciilifeform, IMHO the custom markup idea for new blogotron ain't bad, but it might piss off ppl used to mp-wp, who still use ye olde html tags. I'm curious to hear opinions, given that I'm working on this exact thing for thetarpit
mircea_popescu: i dunno that it's a bug, just don't leave < floating around.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-23 05:19:48 mircea_popescu: i don't intend to negrate him, as things stand, so you're more than welcome to explore wonderful world detailed in the further paragraphs of that comment.
asciilifeform: spyked: mine is <400ln , incl. all postgresisms. and doesn't use 'irc lib', notice.
mircea_popescu: wouldn't that read "motherfucker, i have no fucking idea what the fuck i wrote in here, was i drunk or what, it's illisible!"
asciilifeform: spyked: the tricky bit re 'steal the ultralight threads' is that in order for it to work, you more or less have to have same degree of 'fascism' as in actual erlang, i.e. can't have shared memory, easily-mutable variables, all the other knobs that make 'earthling' threads 'heavy'
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-23 05:56:34 spyked: upstack re erlang: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-22#1930095 <-- imho doesn't sound bad at all, given that e.g. feedbot threads communicate exactly through this type of message queue. meanwhile, I notice that there's a "lisp-flavoured erlang" dialect on teh interwebz, but no idea if worth looking into it
diana_coman: feedbot is extremely useful to track all the comments + posts, basically I switched all to it and it's working great so far; there was the deluge of the after-break stuff coming in today but it's not a big issue (and it didn't choke on it either so all good)
diana_coman: mircea_popescu: come to think of it, the "cloud of tags" is the closest thing to the above in that it changes indeed as content is added; I don't recall if it provides direct link to articles but at least it reflects the content as is
diana_coman: true; though it does get added gradually anyway and they don't really expect to know upfront *everything* that will be added
diana_coman: yes; and ofc there isn't any such thing or we'd have used it, no?
diana_coman: yes but I don't see the problem with that
mircea_popescu: that's why nobody has a working system : 1. any meaningful interpretation of "categories" reduces to "tags", so even though implementations give "the choice" it is a dud choice ; and 2. any meaningful implementation of tags requires they change with the blog, whereas every implementation presumes to enter them at the time of publishing (which coincidentally but harmfully overlaps with the "don't alter history" imperative)
diana_coman: they do, as they reflect the material put in; but I don't see a problem with a third person deciding to categorize trilema with whatever tags they think greatest and provide the resulting tags + links as their view of it, what
mircea_popescu: eg the trilema article i quoted above : i had fully forgotten about. not in the sense that i don't recognize it when i see it, i do, but in the sense that when i penned http://trilema.com/2019/black-or-white-the-day-of-saturday/ which needed it, i did recall to put it in. i've meanwhile corrected this and added the link, but i am certain there's THOUSANDS of such "actually mp, the item you'd link here is this" "oh shit you
mircea_popescu: this augments the ai with human mind, but then again also limits it -- you won't find what you didn't put in.
diana_coman: the exact approach/algo is the iffy bit re tags but probably won't be able to just come up with it directly working great
mircea_popescu: ~clear to me too that categories aren't worth while.
mircea_popescu: btw, don't you find the titles-only style for archives / categories better ?
diana_coman: aha; but atm at least I can't seem to find it either, sadly
diana_coman: I don't even remember myself ranting on it, huh
mircea_popescu: where you were ranting about how it sucks, doesn't even give 5 of its claimed 5bn results, what reason could anyone have to believe the count
spyked: upstack re erlang: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-22#1930095 <-- imho doesn't sound bad at all, given that e.g. feedbot threads communicate exactly through this type of message queue. meanwhile, I notice that there's a "lisp-flavoured erlang" dialect on teh interwebz, but no idea if worth looking into it
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-22 21:38:59 trinque: more broadly, the question isn't so much what I could do with whatever IRC bot, it's what the hell should motivate me to sink more time into shit caked atop the thing I wish to see end.
spyked: mircea_popescu, I completely agree. fwiw, I can genesis hunchentoot next thing if somebody asks for it. but would rather have the thing reviewed first, a propos of: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-22#1930229 . IMHO gotta document it, so that I don't make the same mistakes when I attempt a sane http replacement
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-23 00:00:09 trinque: they have python ones that don't need any such prosthetic
mircea_popescu: i don't intend to negrate him, as things stand, so you're more than welcome to explore wonderful world detailed in the further paragraphs of that comment.
mircea_popescu: look, it's no great mystery i don't think, but in any case, here's what i do : i read the log, line by line, in order. currently i'm processing line http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-22#1930228
spyked: just didn't get to report in this month's report, because it happened yesterday.
mircea_popescu: yes, that wasn't in discussion. but the current plan takes you to week 35, after which comes week 36 and a new plan ?
mircea_popescu: so long as we don't exceed it by mass, it'll be the correct approach.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-22 21:38:59 trinque: more broadly, the question isn't so much what I could do with whatever IRC bot, it's what the hell should motivate me to sink more time into shit caked atop the thing I wish to see end.
mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-22#1930218 << nah. notice how these didn't exist on trilema except when specifically quoted. i let it go in eulora intentionally.
asciilifeform: trinque: potentially could use my wartime bot, but it doesn't do asynchronous sends
trinque: they have python ones that don't need any such prosthetic
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-22 21:38:59 trinque: more broadly, the question isn't so much what I could do with whatever IRC bot, it's what the hell should motivate me to sink more time into shit caked atop the thing I wish to see end.
trinque: more broadly, the question isn't so much what I could do with whatever IRC bot, it's what the hell should motivate me to sink more time into shit caked atop the thing I wish to see end.
asciilifeform doesn't give a damn in either direction, the archive doesn't weigh even within order of magnitude enuff to impact overall speed of indexing in any detectable way
asciilifeform: aaand of course 'era 1' of #t ( already discussed in orig. thread on trilema ) .
asciilifeform suspects that they were orig. encoded in http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-15#1928981 and thereby didn't even get into lobbes's db
mircea_popescu: if you do, you stretch it into a "many" bytes. if you don't, you just prng those many bytes.
mircea_popescu: that's why the two-hash system : you either have a byte of FG, to put into O, or you don't.
mircea_popescu: read that, don't ask me to type it again, wth.
asciilifeform: 1 FG gives ~7.5kB/s . it isn't difficult to read , from buffer, GB/s
mircea_popescu: such that it can't either deplete the machine entropy by reading mb/s nor can it figure out the internals by reading straight fg bytes
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-22#1930032 << to return to this : when asciilifeform laid out the (~8 y.o.!) kernel , to bake the 'demo' image for 'M' , found that ~whole thing~ is written in this style. ( last dealt with kernel internals at length in '06-07, when wasn't ~quite~ this nauseating . or perhaps my stomach were stronger..? )
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-22 07:50:22 spyked: to detail: trinque's bot has a thread that pings the irc server and does lag tracking (the lag then is: pong_response_timestamp - ping_sent_timestamp); if it detects that the lag is high, then it tries to reconnect. so when feedbot spends a lot of time in the notification loop, it doesn't receive the pong and gets disconnected.
snsabot: Logged on 2017-03-30 10:50:38 asciilifeform: trinque: erlang wasn't simply about 'uptime', or even 'no pointer arithmetic', it also was the only case i know of where process migration actually worked
asciilifeform: ( 'erlang' has a pretty martian syntax that most folx who didn't program in 'ml' or similar , dun have the digestive enzymes for )
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-22 07:54:59 mircea_popescu: can't, in general speaking, when plumbing the synch-asynch divide (such as for instance tryuibng to resolve through design the impedance mismatch between non-threqaded process and synchonous messaging) commit to any activity of an open-ended length. main loop gotta know at least approximately how long each call will take, or else it can't make them
spyked: the downside is that now messages are going to arrive somewhat slower -- ISONs aren't sent too often, so as to not abuse that command; but probably not that much of a problem either way. if a user was offline for a while, then he can wait the extra minutes to receive the messages.
mircea_popescu: can't, in general speaking, when plumbing the synch-asynch divide (such as for instance tryuibng to resolve through design the impedance mismatch between non-threqaded process and synchonous messaging) commit to any activity of an open-ended length. main loop gotta know at least approximately how long each call will take, or else it can't make them
spyked: the fix I'm currently applying is to have feedbot send notifications in short bursts so that it doesn't take over the main program loop
spyked: to detail: trinque's bot has a thread that pings the irc server and does lag tracking (the lag then is: pong_response_timestamp - ping_sent_timestamp); if it detects that the lag is high, then it tries to reconnect. so when feedbot spends a lot of time in the notification loop, it doesn't receive the pong and gets disconnected.
spyked: mircea_popescu, meanwhile I found it wasn't the issue I initially thought! I'ma bring the bot back online shortly
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: nao you know why i skipped the ' feed linux random ' stack entirely in '16. ( admittedly didn't get even half as far as bvt before barfed )
asciilifeform: can't resist to ask, what counts as 'civilization'
snsabot: Logged on 2016-12-30 13:34:00 phf: true, but alf also "won't touch the web"
snsabot: Logged on 2016-12-28 16:44:23 Framedragger: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-28#1592214 << entirely possible folx weren't aware of phuctor, it's not exactly advertised much. (then again, cue mp's "they don't have a right/privilege not to be aware"..)
asciilifeform: hrm mebbe my globe is upside-down, but i can't easily picture how cable can run from riga to south a. direct..
asciilifeform: ( can't even make their shitware snoop in ~realtime, moreover )
trinque: don't even think I was calling you stupid.
lobbes: like asciilifeform said, "if you don't leash pet, it will leash you". and it happened
asciilifeform: trinque: atm i can't think of any reason why you couldn't sit it under e.g. znc. (my bot doesn't use any fleanodeisms internally)
asciilifeform: trinque: i haven't attempted an under-znc variant of yet
asciilifeform: ( recently, asciilifeform's brother : 'know what, mr p could design an os; you can't' a: 'why's that' b: 'he has the beard' )
asciilifeform: folx who won't train their pets, will end on a leash themselves, noose at 11...
asciilifeform: compl. w/ 'i want dog but woman won't let' and the like
lobbes: same here. seems to get a lot of folks (wasn't the thickastheives guy in a similar boat?)
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, if 43 ms in diameter then 135 in circumference ; and moreover information doesn't quite flow at the speed of light in our machines.
asciilifeform: lobbes: when you stand up bot, make sure to change prefix knob ( both for when you arrange with mp_en_viaje to voice it in #t, but especially in the other chans, where if you fughet to change knob, it will step on the feet of mine )
lobbes: and by 'didn't get' I mean 'simply didn't attempt'
lobbes: will do. yeah, I didn't get the bot portion running on my local test box, nor did I do port forwarding, but the reader.py and database portions were up and running pretty smoothly
BingoBoingo: I suppose we don't yet have an ada for it
mp_en_viaje: an't be interesting even when discussing interesting topics.
mp_en_viaje: "traditional" (no they aren't) heuristic valuations of activity imported from the practices and intellectual habits of the herd of idiots are NOT USEFUL. how "boring" or "interesting" or "sexy" or whatever things seem, truly the on;ly saviour is the method ; which is why trilema can be interesting whatever i discuss, be it defecation or obscure byzantine minutia, whereas the herd of idiots c
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-20 07:47:16 mp_en_viaje: would like to take the time to point this out re ye olde discussion of "is something to learn / is nothing to learn", coming up oft re gosspid but generally always there. "to learn" is insanely vague an operator. just because you don't learn anything useful [about programming] while doing, say, python, it still dun mean you don't learn anything useful about your girflriend, or the tcp infrastructure, or router har
mp_en_viaje would like to take the time to point this out re ye olde discussion of "is something to learn / is nothing to learn", coming up oft re gosspid but generally always there. "to learn" is insanely vague an operator. just because you don't learn anything useful [about programming] while doing, say, python, it still dun mean you don't learn anything useful about your girflriend, or the tcp infrastructure, or router hardware, or the difference be
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-19 14:20:04 diana_alt: spyked: I don't recall and can't see at http://thetarpit.org/posts/y05/081-feedbot-manual.html - is feedbot for L1 only or does it work for anyone with positive ratings or regardless of rating or what?
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I don't think that will be needed http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/05a8I/?raw=true
BingoBoingo: Possible, don't have ssh into any cabinet machines that aren't serving things
diana_alt: spyked: I don't recall and can't see at http://thetarpit.org/posts/y05/081-feedbot-manual.html - is feedbot for L1 only or does it work for anyone with positive ratings or regardless of rating or what?
asciilifeform: can't seem to recall, grr, what it called itself
mp_en_viaje: which doesn't serve me here.
mp_en_viaje: incidentally, anyone happen to recall where the fuck i put in the log a line about how the problem with intelligent people is that they don't want mere solutions, but specifically solutions that rely on that intelligence.
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, from experience, that is not so. consider elliot, he didn't even fucking train.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-18 09:05:23 mp_en_viaje: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-17#1929434 << sword takes training to use this way, noob wrists get tired. i can't find now where i put the "two smgs, make sure you mow down everyone in your car then come out screaming and flailing armss down the tunnel with the rest of the muppets, let Inca sort you out"
mp_en_viaje: i can almost hear the cageworthy old woman impelling the nonsense, too, "oh, why don't you want to do $random-stupid-shit, ~are you too scared?!?!?!?~".
mp_en_viaje: this is the fuck they do all the fuck day long, ain't it. take something that should never be done, pretend like the doing is "more complicated" than the not doing through the transparent venue of applying cuntlogic, and so act like it's somehow heroic.
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-17#1929491 << dude, totally, john hopkins' right over there. why don't you ask the man out, buy him a steak, see ?
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-17#1929440 << no, actually, your state is bliss, finding yourself as you are a man whom nobody taught nonsense. that you don't have to first unlearn "my hoovercraft is fulla eels" is a grand boon.
snsabot: Logged on 2016-05-29 16:10:05 mircea_popescu: still, stuff like the raufoss mk211 is the exact pill for "oh, we're armored". orly ? well done, so the round won't blow clear through you! enjoy zirconium fire in your spleen!