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mircea_popescu: there's the argument that very long lines are a symptom of poor writing habits, and if one re-wrote his code such that "fitting code to viewport" is never an issue the code won'
t thereby suffer (and if this means ditching idiocies like "object oriented" and dead-end wanna-be nonlanguages -- well, it's a public service).
mircea_popescu: wrt code however, mircea_popescu has no firm oppinion on line length, or what to do about it (apparently he also doesn'
t have a firm oppinion on discussing himself in the third person, which strikes the fourth person mp, that being the first person reading itself in the third person, as a little odd).
mircea_popescu: bvt, i did see that, but i took it as a simple stop-gap non-answer. it's there serving a political purpose, i don'
t have cause to take offense for neglect or anything, which i don'
t ; but it's not ordinarily much of an answer, as there's no proceeding on it.
mircea_popescu: so i really wouldn'
t be worried about any eventual extermination of socialism. if you don'
t wash you become filthy, and if you don'
t think you become a socialist. these'll survive, being as they are the names for a lack. lacks are eternal.
mircea_popescu: less reading deng derpy-ping, more log reading. it ain'
t the 50s anymore.
billymg:
http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2020-01-27#1957376 << ah crap, sorry i missed this earlier. they are more like constants (for adjusting e.g. whether you want decimal or roman numeral footnote identifiers) that were stored in the db because the average wordpress luser can'
t be trusted to edit a few variables in a php file and needs checkboxes he can click instead
dorion: ave1 I hope those above lines didn'
t make it seem ~more~ overwhleming, but the bottom line I'd like to get across is yeah, there's a mountain of work and while it's all achievable it has to be sustainable. let's work with urguncy, but not haste and make sure our early decisions are properly weighed.
dorion: ave1 re gcc being overwhelming, why don'
t you take a step back from it for a bit and we work out a highlevel strategy first. for one, we're not even sure we want 4.9.4. did you see
this ping ?
ossabot: Logged on 2020-01-27 13:32:53 diana_coman: aww, dorion , that was my fun with it, don'
t take it all that seriously.
ossabot: Logged on 2020-01-27 13:32:08 mircea_popescu: dorion, you didn'
t do nuttin, it's his crowns an' thorns.
ave1: also, don'
t worry about pushing / asking. I've no problem with that
diana_coman: aww, dorion , that was my fun with it, don'
t take it all that seriously.
mircea_popescu: dorion, you didn'
t do nuttin, it's his crowns an' thorns.
mircea_popescu: he couldn'
t learn a hundred lines of trivially repetitive multiplication table, but he'll manage subway and bus schedules.
ossabot: (eulora) 2020-01-27 mircea_popescu: ie, the kid who runs away from rural highschool to make it in town because he knows how hard multiplication or basic func analysis is, but doesn'
t know how hard making it in town is.
billymg: mircea_popescu: sorry for that, i didn'
t mean to be so dramatic with the "fine, i'll just work by myself then" -- i think i'm still working out the balance between check in with a question vs. implement and seek feedback. though on review it seems in this case it was more a matter of the clarity/information density of the question/communication
billymg: though it really wouldn'
t be any trouble to move those into single variable constants
billymg: i only thought it necessary to check first in case this code was left around intentionally for some reason i wasn'
t grasping
ossabot: Logged on 2020-01-27 08:36:22 mircea_popescu:
http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2020-01-26#1957358 << honestly, no. i think the "option" to "pick the special chars" was useful at the onset, when i was figuring out how the world should work, but double-parens is so well established by now, even etymologically! ("every time you go on a tanget, you have to decide -- is your paranthetical is simple or double?") that it needn'
t be misrepresented as an optio
mircea_popescu: trinque, your blog is such a pain to navigate, dear god. so i want to see your previous article. well... there's no recent articles on the sidebar so i can'
t just ~see the title~ therefore eschew the need to click things. but let's see the archives... oh oops... this month's archive is entirely identical to you know, your latest article, for the first mile.
mircea_popescu: smart kidds gotta waste away, don'
t they, it's the imperative of the moment.
mircea_popescu: as things stand now, 1 exists (though the hash could stand improvement) but 2 doesn'
t and 3 is sorta-implemented.
mircea_popescu: and in general, this is how "offering options" even works : sometimes portions of code function can'
t be figured out by the writer, has to be figured out by the user. thus things like the eulora gfx engine scriptable parts, or the mp-wp footnote options.
mircea_popescu:
http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2020-01-26#1957358 << honestly, no. i think the "option" to "pick the special chars" was useful at the onset, when i was figuring out how the world should work, but double-parens is so well established by now, even etymologically! ("every time you go on a tanget, you have to decide -- is your paranthetical is simple or double?") that it needn'
t be misrepresented as an option anymore, a
dorion: ave1 I left you a
comment though it didn'
t specifically say it went to moderation. I have it saved so let me know if you had any issue getting it.
ossabot: Logged on 2020-01-24 23:49:03 mircea_popescu: the fundamental problems are that cli-iliteracy is a serious, life-changing disability. in terms of severity, blindness compares, deafness does not. obviously the afflicted are scarcely aware, but this doesn'
t mean they're not afflicted.
hanbot_abroad: yeah, i was talking to nicoleci about her "etymology" series, and didn'
t notice i was typing into #trilema rather'n #trilema-hanbot until she higlighted me there. it was...a confusing second and a half, lol
mircea_popescu: i've muted it for now. get back to me asap, once it's fucking fixed, and what the fuck bright idea was this to replace a working "bad" bot with a "better" one that a) dun fucking work and b) isn'
t even maintained.
hanbot_abroad: the 'old' French word << the word isn'
t 'old' as in part of modern french, but just old. Old French is a language, like Old English; they're sufficiently different (in various aspects, from phonology to spelling to actual vocabulary) from their modern inheritors to warrant different classification. did they give you chaucer to read in school?
hanbot_abroad: " In the end, most of the changes I brainstormed regarding structure did not seem to benefit the content. " << inasmuch as you didn'
t decide to use those structural changes you contemplated, they did in fact benefit the content --you judged they weren'
t right, for whatever reason. they're negative space, but just as in a piece of art they're still *there*.
hanbot_abroad: BingoBoingo you're welcome to #
t-h to your heart's content, and nothing stops you from using it for your goals before the month is out either, even if it's just to rant/wonder out loud.
hanbot_abroad: bvt, diana_coman tyvm for the links. none are the specific itam i'm looking for, though all could be used to segue into the discussion of such, so once i (probably) peter out on the search i'll pick from there...and naturally the re-reading is pleasant. this isn'
t even a bad reading compass, throw an idea into chan, enter the reading linkmaze thusly! :D
BingoBoingo: Give me one month to try to shed the alfisms, and make a hard outreach push to break the 'Qntra looks a whole like like BingoBoingo's other blog' appearance. I'll include a day by day in the weekly recaps, and if material improvement isn'
t showing in a month... I'll pledge to #ossasepia or #trilema-hanbot if they'll have me in their castles.
mircea_popescu: this has nothing to do with "how well you write". i'm aware this is the typical gambit of the being an engineer, he's gonna -- don'
t you know -- be SO GOD DAMEND GOOD at being funny/caring/whatever the girl he ain'
t said hi to yet is gonna... nfi, rematerialize our of his dirty sheets and start doing the laundry one day.
mircea_popescu: this situation where qnta is BingoBoingo's "other blog" can'
t well continue, it's neither interesting nor useful.
mircea_popescu: this procedure whereby you'll do whatever the fuck it is you feel like doing anyway, and expect the republic to feed and clothe you didn'
t work for alf, nor will it work for you. cuz it's pure hallucinatoria, it ain'
t how anything works
BingoBoingo: The only walk in on irc has been shinohai, but so far he's not come with written pieces in hand or expressed interest in trying to establish a disciplined writing workflow. He's just expressed interest without having one of the two things I can say yes to. I can say yes to a piece or I can say yes to the desire to put together a workflow to make pieces. So far he isn'
t bringing either.
ossabot: Logged on 2020-01-24 23:39:43 mircea_popescu: build it around the relationship, their building, their lifecycle, their needs. do not build it around the imaginary "point", that isn'
t.
mircea_popescu: so you have some grounds to expect that indeed, "clearly labeling A" does soemthing. nevertheless, what it doesn'
t do is... solve the problem.
mircea_popescu: now, this baseline truth is psychologically painful to doctors, so there's two classes : the kind who go into research, and the kind who put diplomas on their walls. these might even overlap, but the point remains : as far as the people you can'
t help are concerned, you're not helping. there's no way out of this, and word magic, labes etc won'
t fix it.
mircea_popescu: this latter bit might even inquire "are you even a hospital then ?!", and the only proper answer's that... no, you aren'
t. you're a hospital for all those other people, but not for pancreatic cancer guy.
mircea_popescu: but anyway, from the perspective of the patient, he goes in wanting to be fixed. he's done his part. some of these patients who've done their part will hear "ok, do this, don'
t do that" and some will hear "we don'
t know"
mircea_popescu: as time goes by, the first list grows (though the 2nd list doesn'
t shorten), and so while any cultivared man of means could be a doctor in 2000, only ~i and such can be de facto "general practitioners" today... wait, nothing's changed.
mircea_popescu: the difference between the subsistence hunter and the instagram foodie isn'
t merely that the subsistence hunter doesn'
t have marble countertops or cuisinarts. a point readily verified by giving him some.
ossabot: Logged on 2020-01-24 19:54:12 jfw:
http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2020-01-24#1957173 - regarding the "because" there: there was perhaps a degree of teaching it because we'd built it, but I see it more the other way - a text-only Linux being a good choice for the job specifically because it doesn'
t have the GUI crutch and CLI illiteracy is one of the bigger barriers that otherwise intelligent people face to using serious
mircea_popescu: gales or no gales, the man who can'
t cat | grep is closer to a boy than any other man.
mircea_popescu: whole "work-years", entire "departments" could readily be replaced by you know, half hour's worth of sed ; they aren'
t because us corporatelandia mostly exists as makework, to create the illusion for millions of ambitious derps that they're "doing something" lest they take to the streets and start throwing rocks. nevertheless, even if the cutting legs is systematically needed in socialism, to crate the sort of helpless vat
mircea_popescu: the fundamental problems are that cli-iliteracy is a serious, life-changing disability. in terms of severity, blindness compares, deafness does not. obviously the afflicted are scarcely aware, but this doesn'
t mean they're not afflicted.
mircea_popescu: i don'
t think there's a mandatory time where you must irc, anymore than i think there's a mandatory time when eg people from #ossasepia must trilema or anything.
mircea_popescu: build it around the relationship, their building, their lifecycle, their needs. do not build it around the imaginary "point", that isn'
t.
mircea_popescu: but if you don'
t do that, "we don'
t know how to distinguish", "all abstractions are in principle just as good as any others" and so on.
trinque: yes, you own it or you don'
t, and we don'
t get to put fig-leaves over our lack of ownership
ossabot: Logged on 2020-01-24 18:39:58 dorion: To provide context, the main reason we started with this is because Gales as an environment is pure text, so the command line must be used. For the most part, the people we're prospecting don'
t have command line experience.
jfw:
http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2020-01-24#1957173 - regarding the "because" there: there was perhaps a degree of teaching it because we'd built it, but I see it more the other way - a text-only Linux being a good choice for the job specifically because it doesn'
t have the GUI crutch and CLI illiteracy is one of the bigger barriers that otherwise intelligent people face to using serious
dorion: To provide context, the main reason we started with this is because Gales as an environment is pure text, so the command line must be used. For the most part, the people we're prospecting don'
t have command line experience.
mod6: I won'
t be back around until later today, but i'll check back in later.
mircea_popescu: "waiting to fo into keccak". there's no fucking waiting. do it, do it now, and stop with the infantile bullshit. the republic isn'
t optional, nor is it trying to persuade the infant in you.
mod6: Also, mircea_popescu, I do have the the entire trb tree (with exception of privkey_tools) signed and ready to go in Keccak. Has been since last January. I havne'
t been able to find a Lord who will double check my work though.
mod6: billymg: Hi, it wasn'
t included because there was an objection (i'll have to dig the logs for it) to it being included (trinque) because it includes a class that was deemed unnecessary.
mircea_popescu: guy couldn'
t be arsed to sign it properly, basically. two years or whatever, he's waiting me out.
billymg: i was looking through the logs trying to find a reason why it wasn'
t included in the main release but couldn'
t find an answer. are there any caveats/things i should watch out for?
mircea_popescu: dude's pretty fucking self-strokingly stupid, isn'
t he ?
dorion: the price of gold in usd was only briefly above the price it was that day (~$1720ish), despite usd being continually diluted. meanwhile,
p. schiff, "i didn'
t forget my password, my wallet forgot my password." doh.
mircea_popescu: what's that to do with anything lol. can'
t go on blaming 70yos forever.
mircea_popescu: in general, idiots will a) sabotage any attempt to fix their stupid head and then b) destroy the remains. it's a narrative approach to the world, this "oh, you're perfect the way you are, don'
t you ever change, that's your identity" bla bla bla.
mircea_popescu:
http://archive.is/mEhtD << "Vet Check International" is a website whose stats are provided "as a free service to all Scott Web Service web hosting customers", which also includes you know, everyone who isn'
t a customer. and, as it turns out, most of the visitors check out... the STATS!!!
mircea_popescu: and so on ad nauseam, when one says "us academia does not exist" one means very specific things by it : that it doesn'
t fucking exist.
mircea_popescu: yet ironically, instead of being the very lubricant of movement, "oh, its very easy for me to go to a new place, i got a whole retinue of women", moronworld works EXACTLY the opposite, "oh, for all these dumb cunts around i can'
t go anywhere".
mircea_popescu: once it's no longer that... it can'
t be anything good anymore.
mircea_popescu: so while it's not surprising that america meanwhile became the land of the landwhales, we knew it was going to fail the moment it wasn'
t the land of the poor blameless helpless damsels chained naked to poles to die there of neglect and exposure.
mircea_popescu: instead of "bitch, if i die you're a beggar, make sure i very well fucking don'
t", it was a "and after i die you get so and so silver each harvest out of your son owning the lands"
mircea_popescu: but that didn'
t matter. what sunk it was the habit of imbecile peers to create allotments for the support of their wives out of the inheritance.
hanbot_abroad: mircea_popescu that obnoxious interloper character that won'
t stop projecting herself onto the old dude? yeah
mircea_popescu: wasn'
t the workers, it was... hey, do you remember the annoying woman in the pawnbroker ?
mircea_popescu: nfi why they didn'
t chain the dumb bitches up ; they did have the poles along the railroad.
mircea_popescu: who fucking "robber baron" narrative is such "uppity nedeflorenas whining about things working well" you can'
t believe it.
mircea_popescu: No whooping cough did rack his frame, nor measles, he didn'
t get it;
mircea_popescu: (and, of course, in keeping with the traditions of imbecility, "this article is semi-protected, as per bla bla policy". not, eminently, "this article is protected because our philosophical model is utterly broken and doesn'
t even work in our own hand". but SEMI-protected, because if you don'
t call failure by its name it's almost as if it never happened, and besides, coming up with an alternative "plausible" reason for it e
ossabot: (ossasepia) 2020-01-17 diana_coman: jfw: fyi, I got around to build Gales and it seems to have built fine on a CentOS 6 with gcc 4.9.4; there was just a short wtf moment when the... tar cmd failed; it turns out that the --sort option is available only from tar V 1.28 while my local tar is ... 1.23; I didn'
t see any version spec in the prerequisites though probably my CentOS 6 is about as old everything as one gets nowadays
mircea_popescu: so no actual meat on those bones. but, the thing with scarecrows is, for as long as you don'
t look, they can count for the census.
diana_coman: hardly seems worth it though for that sort of case and I don'
t quite have any other clear reason for detached sig on vpatches.
mircea_popescu: (other than the formatting point above, i will further mutter in sottovoce that my first reaction, driven WEEKS AGO by what i had originally heard off the grapevine, was along the lines of "oh, i remember now who mike_c is, he's this character you can'
t stay angry with, try as you might", and offering to add half your fee to the pot, because while it's not the case patron shouldn'
t make money, it's also not the case client
mircea_popescu: i will want a full release ready to go concomitantly, so if your client isn'
t liable to be around then maybe deed it prior.