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mp_en_viaje: so you got a perfect in, don't even need whaack 's proverbial gift basket. just go knocking on doors explain what you're
tying
to do, organize a fiber club
ossabot: Logged on 2020-03-10 12:39:58 mp_en_viaje: from experience
the best way
these
things go is if a large-ish group of landowners around a geographically reasonable node point ask
them for it. maybe see if your neighbours wanna join ?
mp_en_viaje: from experience
the best way
these
things go is if a large-ish group of landowners around a geographically reasonable node point ask
them for it. maybe see if your neighbours wanna join ?
billymg: i
then followed up with one of
their
technicians who visited
the property and he said it was doable and we just need
to go
through
the RFP / proposal process
billymg: so will be at my expense. whaack
talked
to one of
their customer support agents who didn't really know what it would cost but
thought roughly $2-5k for
the laying of
the cable
billymg: (i need
to get on my lawyer here about filling out
the RFP)
billymg: they are willing
to put
together a proposal for doing so
billymg: yeah, compared
to
the ~$375 / mo for Kolbi's enterprise fiber offering it seemed like a good deal
ossabot: (trilema-hanbot) 2020-03-03 billymg:
http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema-hanbot/2020-02-08#1001053 << update: my girl has been corresponding with american data
through
this contact and
they are now putting
together a proposal for a supposedly dedicated 10/10 connection at $150 a month (proposal will be
to determine cost/timeline of install)
ossabot: (ossasepia) 2020-03-09 diana_coman: ftr re clock, my scripts don't bother with "end of
task" -
there's no end
to anything, only start of next
thing whether
that's break or whatever; since
time is spent anyway,
the start of a new
thing is by definition
the end of
the previous.
mp_en_viaje: billymg,
talk
to hanbot, she found some pretty cool radio people
that sold me a backup
thing really fucking solid.
billymg will bbl - irl chores for
the day
ossabot: (ossasepia) 2020-03-09 diana_coman: spyked: well, no boost dep is certainly a gain; and yeah, I'm sure
that
the earlier
the version
the less of a monster it is;
that being said, I'm either really getting old or something but I can hardly see
the point of >10k LOC for what can be done precisely as wanted
through <1k lines of cmd line
tools, huh.
billymg: i've got a
temporary internet solution now as well (cellular LTE via Movistar) as we work on getting
the real
thing
mp_en_viaje is checking out what's so great bout
them o logs!
ossabot: Logged on 2020-03-09 22:57:45 lobbes: Also, are you good for
tomorrow night or were you looking for doing
this during
the day? I'm slaving in
the mines
tomorrow but my night is clear. If need be I may be able
to weasel a work-from-home day
though, so I'll check back when I wake up
tomorrow
ericbot: Logged on 2019-12-04 04:37:32 mircea_popescu: lobbes wtf dude, you set ALL of
these
to 2019-12-03 22:03:06
time ?! didn't we go
through an entire discussion of how it should increase monotonically ? gah.
ossabot: Logged on 2020-03-09 22:57:28 lobbes: mp_en_viaje: In preparation of our next attempt at getting
this project done, I've been going
through my
faff-fest from last
time.. and
trying
to figure out how we should pick back up
mp_en_viaje: if
this isn't what it does, i suspect i might deeply misunderstand wtf it actually does.
ossabot: Logged on 2020-03-09 22:26:10 jfw: mp_en_viaje: do you have a specific goal in mind for
Thursday's wallet work? Do you also want
to use
the online part (I would imagine so but could
technically be done without)? If so, note
that it
takes about a day
to scan
the present blockchain once fed
the address(es) of interest, and requires a
TRB node. If you wish
to also send
the rawtx using it, as would be most proper, we'll also need
that
diana_coman: what a great #o log
to start
the day
to! BingoBoingo draft looks good, I'd probably just add a comma after "to
take shape"; and congrats
to jfw on a straight-to-the-point quote!
lobbes: Also, are you good for
tomorrow night or were you looking for doing
this during
the day? I'm slaving in
the mines
tomorrow but my night is clear. If need be I may be able
to weasel a work-from-home day
though, so I'll check back when I wake up
tomorrow
lobbes: Since you already have
that script working, I figure we may as well use it for
this piece. All my log history is in a Postgres database
though, so I need
to "convert" my data at least once. Would you be able
to send me a sample of
that logstory.txt?
lobbes: Then I realized
that all
that insanity was indeed because I was needlessly
translating all kinds of strings across boundaries. I
think
the cleanest way
to do
this historical (May 28, 2016
to Now) log backfill is if I just provide you a
text file in
the same format as your "logstory.txt" you reference in
this comment ericbot: Logged on 2019-12-04 04:37:32 mircea_popescu: lobbes wtf dude, you set ALL of
these
to 2019-12-03 22:03:06
time ?! didn't we go
through an entire discussion of how it should increase monotonically ? gah.
lobbes: mp_en_viaje: In preparation of our next attempt at getting
this project done, I've been going
through my
faff-fest from last
time.. and
trying
to figure out how we should pick back up
jfw: mp_en_viaje: do you have a specific goal in mind for
Thursday's wallet work? Do you also want
to use
the online part (I would imagine so but could
technically be done without)? If so, note
that it
takes about a day
to scan
the present blockchain once fed
the address(es) of interest, and requires a
TRB node. If you wish
to also send
the rawtx using it, as would be most proper, we'll also need
that
diana_coman: bvt: also, mind packing in next vpatch either removal of
that Makefile or an update
to it so it covers
the new .gpr files? As it is now it's doing half a job and even
that unclear why via makefile anyway - it would possibly make more sense
to just have one .gpr file
that allows you
to build all with a single command but anyways.
diana_coman: ...
that; for illustration, here's
the
output from vtree and antecedents on eucrypt_oaep_fix_checks.vpatch (ran in
the same
test dir
that can be had from
here); antecedents gives
the correct path genesis->ch6->ch7->ch9->ch10->oaep_fix_checks, but in vtree's output it's very hard
to
tell
that ch10 is meant as child of ch9 rather
than ...
diana_coman: bvt:
the antecedents/descendants commands behave as expected now indeed;
the output from vtree
though seems confusing as it is now because of
the order in which children are apparently shown in between siblings so
that one has
to
track and count spaces
to be able
to say what belongs where and what seems
the child of
the node immediately above
turns out
to be meant instead of child of node 2 lines above, not sure if you intended it like ...
diana_coman: I'll get around
to it later
today and will let you know how it went.
diana_coman: bvt: ah, glad
to hear you found
the
trouble; whichever way you prefer really, I can move
the slot
to Friday, not an issue (and otherwise plenty
to fill
the Monday
time, heh)
bvt: diana_coman: fixed link;
ty for your
test set, i have
the fix (totally my bad), which I can upload
today in a few hours (as a vpatch) if you still have a
timeslot dedicated
to v.sh
tomorrow, or if you prefer it with a writeup, i will publish it until
thursday.
diana_coman: bvt: I forgot
the "
http" on
the link
to
the .tar.gz in my latest comment on your site, would you mind fixing it for me? something's still weird with
that eucrypt dir & v.sh so I've uploaded it, if anyone else wants
to have a look at it.
trinque: possibly has
to do with environment variables, investigating
that.
trinque: what
the everloving fuck it's doing caring about
the state of a
terminal is... who even would bother?
ossabot: Logged on 2020-03-07 07:02:54 mp_en_viaje: aite,
this is by now
turning into way
too much of a joke.
mp_en_viaje: incidentally, anyone read
the flying inn ?
ossabot: Logged on 2020-03-07 20:05:24 jfw:
http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2020-03-07#1959156 - I first
took
this as "it's fine either way" but maybe
there's a question
there
too. Supposing
the change output always came first;
then, someone who knows
this gets more information about how much you're sending where from looking at
the
transaction
than if it came in a random position. And
this
thought would seem
to extend
to any process
ossabot: Logged on 2020-03-07 13:54:32 mp_en_viaje: yes,
there is more : it drives assonances in
the readership lol.
jfw:
http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2020-03-07#1959156 - I first
took
this as "it's fine either way" but maybe
there's a question
there
too. Supposing
the change output always came first;
then, someone who knows
this gets more information about how much you're sending where from looking at
the
transaction
than if it came in a random position. And
this
thought would seem
to extend
to any process
ossabot: Logged on 2020-03-07 19:12:56 mp_en_viaje: but anyway,
the problem never was whether single-character-x or single-character-y is
to be your indentation scheme.
the problem was when a unit of indentation is made up of n characters, such
that 1st
tabulation is implemented as
three space characters, and 2nd as six.
jfw: right. well me scheme is a good bit smaller
than either and will bear my signature.
mp_en_viaje: jfw, i wasn't
talking about
the instant case necessarily ; but in general. i expect most
2013-ish vintage itemsd have neither gnat nor python.
jfw: What's an offline machine likely
to have? gnat? python? And how
to install
the wallet at all if no new software?
mp_en_viaje: ah ah. i momentarily forgot about
that part.
jfw: hm, I wonder how much isn't clear
then. I wrote a Scheme interpreter, which is part of what I need
to get published.
This in
turn requires only gcc.
ossabot: Logged on 2020-03-07 18:23:47 jfw: mp_en_viaje: how do you define
totalitarian systems? (before I even
try
to add on
the 'meaningful' part)
mp_en_viaje: h
http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2020-03-07#1959124 << and
to answer
the meaningful part : consider
the usg's "obscenity standard". it is perfectly an' epitomatically meaningless, i care naught
that a buncha idle farmhands who can't
talk for all
the shit in
their mouth "all agree".
this inexpressible agreement is
the definition of meaninglessness.
mp_en_viaje: i have nfi why exactly your offline
thing is in scheme, as opposed
to something more likely
to be found on an offline system (which, definitionally, ain't gonna be importing software in its lifetime).
mp_en_viaje: yes well, i dunno how much of
this "if in
the future" is useful in context. i mean, maybe
the aliens invade, gouge
the eyes of anyone who makes filenames under 6 characters long.
jfw: would work. Another
thing coming
to mind is if
the
two parts ended up rewritten
to
the same language,
they could share some common details like base58. - as you say
jfw: hm, so
the genesis would just be a placeholder manifest basically?
mp_en_viaje: i dunno
that i'd ever want
to press both at
the same
time ; i also don't see
that
they have
to have separate genesises necessarily. you can press one r
the other by selecting
the proper branch neh ?
jfw: 3. I had planned
to make a single genesis of both online (python) and offline (Scheme) parts, as it seemed sensible
to have it all in one place even if
the intent is
to use separately, but dorion brought up whether it'd be better
to have
two
trees. I can't quite see
that having any advantages, but how about you?
mp_en_viaje: but anyway,
the problem never was whether single-character-x or single-character-y is
to be your indentation scheme.
the problem was when a unit of indentation is made up of n characters, such
that 1st
tabulation is implemented as
three space characters, and 2nd as six.
jfw: 2. I forget if I mentioned it in my spec but my code shuffles
the order of
transaction outputs, for obfuscation or general "why not". Is
this reasoanble / acceptable?
mp_en_viaje: i dunno
that it has
to be nailed ad hoc here.
there were preliminary discussions years ago
that didn't resolve and haven't been revisited
jfw: So
the question is... I dunno, 'wut do?' Or, can we leave
this one for now?
jfw: mp_en_viaje: a few other questions come up as I prepare
to genesis. 1:
tabs vs spaces - my Scheme code is all spaces and I don't know how
to reasonably do it otherwise; lisp has established indenting conventions
that
tend
to line
things up nicely but require 1-column granularity. Somehow, setting
the
tabstop
to 1 doesn't seem like any kind of solution (and still not sure I even grasp
the problem).
jfw: Can I assume you have an x86_64 unixlike with gcc for
the install?
jfw: a whoops, CR on UTC-6, so
that'd be my local.
jfw: how's 15:00 UTC / 10am local on
Thursday?
jfw: somewhat aware, seen some of
their 'artistic' products at least
mp_en_viaje: much better examples would be dadaism/absurdism/situationism or say existentialism if you're aware of
those.
mp_en_viaje: anyway,
the problem with
the
textbook go-to examples of
totalitarian systems, namely
the various attempts at socialism in
the 20th century, is
that
they're very weak examples of
totalitarian systems and comparatively much stronger examples of closed systems.
that's
their salient feature,
their closedness, universally premature, and by a rather mengele hand.
mp_en_viaje: for as long as you live, your death does not exist, and
therefore is no concern of yours; once your death exists or whatever actualizes itself
there's necessarily nobody any longer
there
to fret about it.
jfw: well, I suppose I should rather ask who
to read
there
than just guessing.
jfw: ha! not familiar with
the stoic argument, would it be something like "once you're dead you no longer have
the problem of coming death"?
mp_en_viaje: and re classification and completeness : linneus' system is always complete, as per
the usual stoic argument re death : just before a "new species is found" it is complete because well... and just after a new species is found, it is STILL just as complete, because by
the very description as is required
to show
the new species it also necessarily completes itself.
mp_en_viaje:
this guy (who was in spain, and who was in many other early soups back when all
these players were still kids or unheard of) said it about hitler something like good gracious, he won't do, he's a vegetarian
teetotalitarian. chesterton and
the crowd picked it up.
mp_en_viaje: o look,
the internets don't know about it.