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mp_en_viaje: omfg, the coffee in this country. idiot germans come in and buy all the best sorts anyone can be arsed to sell them ; then you go to germany and can't have a decent cup of coffee. i just can't set it down.
lobbes: mp_en_viaje, this is a point. You mean we ought to just get the bot up and producing logs first and worry about the history later?
mp_en_viaje: specifically, until we have the process such that the bot actually produces logs, reliably, for each day, it makes 0 sense imo to even start this discussion. because what, so we do it YEY AGAIN, and then there's yet another gap once we're done ?
mp_en_viaje: i for one'd have expected the structural definition in the comments'd be more useful than the actual dump file ; but in any case, there's more problems even higher up.
lobbes: mp_en_viaje, ah ty
mp_en_viaje: lobbes, http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/11/ << item's always been avaialble there, since nov. logs8.txt say
lobbes: mp_en_viaje, ah I see what you mean. Yeah I guess that may be a bit of a pain trying to produce something in that format. Hm
mp_en_viaje: the ~problem~ is though that these are 1-logday-per-line humongo files. can you even meaningfully process it ?
lobbes: mp_en_viaje, hm, I can't find a reference to a log8.txt in that discussion, but if that was what you used for your input file then yeah definitely I'd want to see that
mp_en_viaje: now, what you really want is a look at say log8.txt, which is what in the end was finally used,
mp_en_viaje: there's entirely no point in reproducing that.
mp_en_viaje: but the point is : the whole logstory thing was simply me wranglin gwith the xchat historical format most of the early logs were in.
lobbes: mp_en_viaje, yeah that was the discussion. I think the script that ended up working for you was in this comment
mp_en_viaje: lobbes, so listen, you talking about this discussion http://trilema.com/2019/introducing-the-logs/#comment-132410 ?
mp_en_viaje: lobbes, im digging through the stuff here, because i suspect there might;ve been more to it all than just that, so a sec
lobbes: mp_en_viaje, yeah that'd be great. Ty!
mp_en_viaje: lobbes, so you want a sample of the logstory file ? lesee here
ossabot: Logged on 2020-03-10 13:51:09 diana_coman: mp_en_viaje: to my mind there wasn't anything new/unknown/controversial in there really; (or I'd have moved it to #t earlier anyway).
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2020-03-10#1959336 << i dunno, all i saw was BingoBoingo continuing the tradition of derp whereby he's gonna ad-hoc some nonsense. at least he's moved on from doing it in gpgballs.
ossabot: Logged on 2020-03-10 14:02:20 jfw: mp_en_viaje: is that all clear?
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2020-03-10#1959341 << really, there's no value in this prequel. we sit down thurs see.
mp_en_viaje: this is of course my problem ; you can do it elsewhere cheaper / better / whatever, i'm the last dood to get in the way of any such a thing.
mp_en_viaje: there ~is~ of course substantial cost involved in i dunno, keeping a capitalized company on the books while alf derps about re-doing the same mistakes on the chickenfeed he's found in his couch cushions. there's similarily a substantial cost involved in maintaining all these trilema herramientas
ossabot: Logged on 2020-03-10 13:38:48 jfw: mp_en_viaje: does the idiot list include me this time? I could try to be more mindful of when a discussion should be moved or started here
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2020-03-10#1959329 << mindful nothing. look, if it works work it, there's nothing wrong with that.
ossabot: Logged on 2020-03-09 22:57:45 lobbes: Also, are you good for tomorrow night or were you looking for doing this during the day? I'm slaving in the mines tomorrow but my night is clear. If need be I may be able to weasel a work-from-home day though, so I'll check back when I wake up tomorrow
lobbes: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2020-03-10#1959239 << Okay. I'm about to run out for a quick errand but will be back in about an hour. I'll be free now for the rest of night afterwards
lobbes: Instead, I figure why don't I just cut out 2,3,4,5 and instead I just alter my 1) to pull logs from my Postgres database in the same format of your input into your backfill process (which has already been proven to function to spec)?
ericbot: Logged on 2019-12-02 16:41:29 mircea_popescu: ima try putting the first few in and we see (i hope for eg you do the sed 's%"%\\"%g' | sed 's%*%\&ast;%g' escapings, yes ?)
lobbes: To lay it out, my convoluted process last time of getting you the data you needed was: 1) Pulling logs from my Postgres database to a flatfile 2) importing that into mp-wp's MySQL database 3) getting a mysql dump of *that* 4) altering said dump with e.g. sed escapes, etc. then finally 5) I give it to you
ericbot: Logged on 2019-12-04 04:37:32 mircea_popescu: lobbes wtf dude, you set ALL of these to 2019-12-03 22:03:06 time ?! didn't we go through an entire discussion of how it should increase monotonically ? gah.
ossabot: Logged on 2020-03-09 22:57:28 lobbes: mp_en_viaje: In preparation of our next attempt at getting this project done, I've been going through my faff-fest from last time.. and trying to figure out how we should pick back up
ericbot: Logged on 2020-03-10 15:18:55 mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2020-03-09#1959221 << well, do you have the item currently working somewhere ?
lobbes: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2020-03-10#1959236 << I have the actual bot working, yes. However I do not any type of trustworthy process to backfill the historical logs. I mean, I *do* have my python mess from last time, but I'm proposing we forgo that mess this time
ossabot: Logged on 2020-03-03 00:22:13 dorion: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2020-03-01#1958692 - you had said the next would how V enters the picture. Is that still the plan ? did you expand and roll the spec you had in mind in there ?
ossabot: Logged on 2020-03-02 09:13:50 mp_en_viaje: trinque, the problem with your proposal is that the article isn't yet loaded at that point.
ossabot: Logged on 2020-03-10 13:12:20 mp_en_viaje: is pondering this wonder. wtf are you idiots doing over there ? srsly tryina come up with all this shit on your own, who knows, maybe it works, maybe it doesn't, then i go read it on qntra and what, maybe i agree, maybe i don't, in any case ~after the fact~, at which point as chance dictates, either i sever the link or not ?
dorion: hey trinque, minding the previous point and earlier point and questions, why don't we set a time to discuss where you're at and what the next steps are ?
ossabot: Logged on 2020-03-10 12:50:01 mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2020-03-09#1020424 << i dunno how much you recall of the 90s, ie back when mailing lists was a thing ; but almost nobody will even read some agitated flailing of some dude who subbed to post it.
dorion: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2020-03-10#1959292 - I don't recall for not having been there, but makes sense they operate with a wot.
jfw: **The consequences if it were incorrect are mostly that the tx wouldn't validate ...
jfw: mp_en_viaje: is that all clear?
jfw: As for the private key, since as I understand you want to spend from an existing one imported from some other wallet implementation, I should note that it can be imported in hex or WIF format, however, as in TRB, "compressed" keys aren't presently distinguished. It's possible to use them through some code tweaks, though it's presently all one or all the other.
jfw: The consequences of its being incorrect are mostly that the tx won't validate - EXCEPT (I recently realized) for the value field, which could be used to subvert the fee and change computation.
jfw: The function of the 'online' code I referenced is to index this information and get it in the required format; you could instead use block explorers or whatever you please to get the information and it's none of my business. Or I could provide it, since you gave the address.
diana_coman will bbl too
diana_coman: mp_en_viaje: to my mind there wasn't anything new/unknown/controversial in there really; (or I'd have moved it to #t earlier anyway).
jfw: As best I could determine for my spec, this is an unavoidable consequence of the design of bitcoin transactions. Specifically what's required: address (as an identifier for the private key from a set of multiple; if you just have one then of course this is trivial); txid, output index within that tx, and value,
ossabot: Logged on 2020-03-10 13:23:21 mp_en_viaje: diana_coman, i guess you're stuck with a much larger chunk than originally contemplated, unexpectedly enough.
diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2020-03-10#1959326 - for a moment I thought this was re the graphics work, keks.
ossabot: Logged on 2020-03-10 12:26:36 mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2020-03-09#1959219 << the functioning i'm looking for is that given some inputs (such as a privkey and txids) your program spits out a tx as is broadcast on the network.
jfw: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2020-03-10#1959234 - this is approximately what it does; the delta is that a bit more than just txids is required.
jfw: mp_en_viaje: does the idiot list include me this time? I could try to be more mindful of when a discussion should be moved or started here
mp_en_viaje: on the other hand, it doth offer quite the neat solution to the "wtf are you going to do with that lordship thing THIS time" conundrum.
mp_en_viaje: diana_coman, i guess you're stuck with a much larger chunk than originally contemplated, unexpectedly enough.
mp_en_viaje leaves off reading #ossasepia ; i guess in principle there's nothing all that wrong with it.
mp_en_viaje is pondering this wonder. wtf are you idiots doing over there ? srsly tryina come up with all this shit on your own, who knows, maybe it works, maybe it doesn't, then i go read it on qntra and what, maybe i agree, maybe i don't, in any case ~after the fact~, at which point as chance dictates, either i sever the link or not ?
mp_en_viaje: they're liberated from having Brawndo poured on top "because it's what plants need", and they're also liberated from NOT having water poured on top, because "the secretary of energy" ahs "never seen no plants grow out of no toilet."
ossabot: (ossasepia) 2020-03-09 BingoBoingo: jfw dorion: What does it mean that these things have been liberated? What have they been saved from?
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2020-03-09#1020492 << two things. in the positive, the sort of non-improvements like "supporting unicode" ; discussion with such a moron recently in trilema. in the negative, actually adding useful things that the pantsuit do not add, for whatever reason ("other priorities", "hateful to protected groups", "illegal", whatever nonsense).
ossabot: (ossasepia) 2020-03-09 jfw: ah there was also Eucrypt, part of which was a liberation of gcrypt from Werner Koch & co. right?
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2020-03-09#1020491 << iirc it was unrelated, dudes were just squatting the place with their spaghetti-crapola.
ossabot: (ossasepia) 2020-03-09 jfw: I think it's the right sort of bother: given all the code I ~have~ read or written it seems an important distinction as far as which category someone chooses to trust from me.
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2020-03-09#1020476 << this is quite how this is intended to work. havign a "use" and a "read" key perfectly sensible
ossabot: (ossasepia) 2020-03-09 jfw: My plan is to start next week with creating a 'gypsy code signing' key then I suppose get the list together and into some kind of order.
billymg: that's what i was telling the local: they are making demands without willing to pay. if they want lifeguard on duty they'll be at a luxury resort paying 5x
mp_en_viaje: da fuck tour group dun have their own lifeguard.
mp_en_viaje: "bitch, you want ME to designate your driver for you ?" "yes, we're really awkward."
mp_en_viaje: i wonder when they're gonna start pestering bars, "we want to come and spittle in a beerbotle for three hours, but you gotta have driver."
billymg: mp_en_viaje: yeah, we had them explain it. and it was just: need lifeguard on duty or else no swimming. didn't press them enough re: dangers of empty pool because by then they had backed down
mp_en_viaje: dumb cows sitting on their cheesy taco all day long coming up with "standards"
mp_en_viaje: so hacve them explain it.
billymg: he said he's never heard of this before, in his years of organizing these visits. but it was some "new policy" to "eliminate risk"
billymg: mp_en_viaje: yeah, the conversation with the tico was productive, he was also throwing up his hands in disbelief at their request. i coached him into telling them to walk after realizing they really have no other options (other hotels aren't gonna empty pools / don't have lifeguards on duty, and tour group dun have the budget themselves to hire the lifeguard)
mp_en_viaje: billymg, if the concept is "drunk kid wanders in at night", which is what seems the least-dumb construction available, it's still indeed the case empty pool more dangerous.
billymg: it made no sense to me
mp_en_viaje: diana_coman, i kinda think it is. typos aside, but anyways.
billymg: mp_en_viaje: not to mention, empty pool == break neck on fall
mp_en_viaje: have people explain things to do, it's a great tool.
mp_en_viaje: billymg, ah. so build your backchannel with him. "wtf is this about, can you explain it to me ? i spend money to build pool so they have fun, they want it epty ?!"
diana_coman: mp_en_viaje: eh, read the whole, approx spelling is not a virtue, no; neither is a disqualifier esp online
mp_en_viaje: mailing lists are very primitive wot things.
billymg: probably, i'm interfacing through a nice and capable tico who's been organizing these groups of americans and doing business with this property / previous owner for years now
ossabot: (ossasepia) 2020-03-09 dorion: jfw you subscribe to it first so you can then reply ? is that how it works ?
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2020-03-09#1020424 << i dunno how much you recall of the 90s, ie back when mailing lists was a thing ; but almost nobody will even read some agitated flailing of some dude who subbed to post it.
mp_en_viaje: is this an older female "running" things ?
billymg: to which i said fuck off, and they then said, find just dun let em swim
billymg: their first request was, get this, empty the pool because we don't want the risk of the kids (college) drowning
ossabot: (ossasepia) 2020-03-09 diana_coman: jfw: the minds that discard the message because of less than perfect spelling though might be better off enjoying their fence.
mp_en_viaje: billymg, fucktards, how the fuck are they getting coronavirus in nicoya, from what, the cows ?
mp_en_viaje: find out what sorta troglodytes you livr with in any case, ie whether they'll shoot any roamning dogs for instance.
mp_en_viaje: "even if you don't personally use the internet, it's like having electricity. you can go a whole life without electricity too! but from experience, a) you won't once it's there ; and moreover b) if you ever sell, it sells for more."
ossabot: Logged on 2020-03-10 12:44:07 mp_en_viaje: if you get it going, can defo be on your sale list. "none of those crappy 5kbps netlinks, we here have fiber. come do some work undisturbed while the sluts splash in the pool", sell to execs.
billymg: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2020-03-10#1959276 << this for sure. almost lost business of a tour group that wanted to book all the units for two weeks in late march because no decent internet (ended up losing the business because zomg coronavirus instead)
mp_en_viaje: you're doing them a fucking favour, wtf.
mp_en_viaje: that can be follow-up. "hi, i got this property right next to yours, and we're thinking of pushing the x to draw optic fiber close. would this be something you'd like to get into ?"
billymg: their support / commitment to subscribe to fiber (the collecting signatures bit)
mp_en_viaje: if you get it going, can defo be on your sale list. "none of those crappy 5kbps netlinks, we here have fiber. come do some work undisturbed while the sluts splash in the pool", sell to execs.
billymg: though it's almost more of an offer than an ask..
billymg wonders if it would be rude to present this ask to neighbors on first introduction..