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jfw: thanks, that's a good start to chew on.
mp_en_viaje: much like the problem of medicine for 1-2000 years wasn't that it was practiced at all ; but that it was practiced by barbers. hence the hippocratic oath,
mp_en_viaje: this is a weakass approach, however. the problem with totalitarian systems isn't that they exist ; but that they're made by (and for) "vegetarian teetotalitarians", to quote ray campbell since he was on trilema recently. ie idiots.
mp_en_viaje: (and the dear love of the pantsuit for non-totalitarian comes exactly from this -- it comes with a guarantee to not bruise his definitional laziness.)
mp_en_viaje: there's no properly speaking scientific reason to do or not do anything, specifically because science is not totalitarian.
jfw: quite different from the googapedia definition indeed. would it be accurate to say then that science is a process of attempting to formulate a totalitarian system?
mp_en_viaje: i suppose something like "complete" would be more intuitively appealing ; but a complete (or realised) system is one that merely satisfies the first criterion. things like the linnaeus classification have been complete since their introduction, for instance.
mp_en_viaje: to be totalitarian a system makes two explicit promises : that no objects existing can be found that don't map on objects included ; and that no valid questions can be formulated on those objects that the system fails to answer.
mp_en_viaje: jfw, a system is the cognitive equivalent of an algebra : a srt of elements and the operations defined on them. the problem of systems is the adequacy between themselves and reality.
ossabot: Logged on 2020-03-06 18:31:58 mp_en_viaje: they still exist for the same exact existential reasoning, which is very much the only way to have meaningful totalitarian systems in the first place.
jfw: mp_en_viaje: how do you define totalitarian systems? (before I even try to add on the 'meaningful' part)
mp_en_viaje: ah, wasn't talking about you. but yeah
jfw: I got that re the hash(hash( at least.
mp_en_viaje feels the need to point out that the exact scheme described is ~merely intended as an example of the principle~, not proposed to be actually used. since idiots are reading.
jfw: lolz. I'm sure some top codebreakers are working on that.
mp_en_viaje: sure, ~in theory~ you can do the job. in practice it'll be done just as soon as alf makes a business work.
mp_en_viaje: now consider your job is to "forensic analyze" a 2 TB file which was produced by taking the contents of a luzer hdd and xor'ing it with a PRNG working on the premise of hash ( hash (..... hash ( password)
mp_en_viaje: jfw, sure, in the absolute sense it is true.
ossabot: Logged on 2020-03-06 18:59:35 mp_en_viaje: in which same vein, "user password" in the shape of FS symmetrically encrypted such that withoyut password you can read any other OTP out of it that you wish, and so on.
jfw: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2020-03-06#1959036 - hmm, I thought Shannon proved you can't have that without the pad having at least as many bits as the message. If there's more possible FS states than passwords, then I can find one that can't be pulled out by any key - reminds me of Cantor's diagonalization
ossabot: Logged on 2020-03-06 18:28:59 mp_en_viaje: in any case i'm not proceeding from an utilitarian perspective, "this should exist because the user would benefit". the logic informing the concept is rather existential, "for such a thing as an operating system to meaningfully exist, the self-destruct must be in the operator's hands at all times"
mp_en_viaje: i do propose this is a universally valid truth ; though i do not expect it's necessarily actionable. plenty of people care much more than i do.
mp_en_viaje: god knows you've a much better shot not to mention shorter trip to me by talking to hannah, than by trying to talk to whatever broker / expert / etc that bought me lehman.
mp_en_viaje: actually come to think of it, the guy's daughter, epstein's 17yo whore, henry ford's wife etc are way the fuck a better in than the "financial advisor".
dorion: yeah, good to have it spelled out, thanks.
mp_en_viaje: exactly like the point with "informative radio progeramming" or w/e i was discussing with whaack on his blog : you can ask whatever, but in the end you're still talking to the call center. "and when you get there, you'll still be in a pontiac", as lefty put it. see ?
mp_en_viaje: moreover kinda the point of the whole system, you can't talk to the owners becayse "nobody knows who they are" because they "got together" and gave all their money up to a state "company" to "manage it" for them, which it does deliberately in this specific manner. you might as well ask the call center costa rican / indian / whatever to connect you to the company president's daughter's private cellphone.
mp_en_viaje: he doesn't get to "disengage hr" or "work from home" ; and if he tries, well, the leverage goes away. which being the whole point of his existence, is not negotiable.
mp_en_viaje: this is not going to fly, because it's not his money. he's approximately in the position of the hooker leaning on a parked mercedes, he doesn't get to say anything about where it goes. the northface / sketchers went on the cc, like the purchases of every other employee.
mp_en_viaje: so basically your idea is "talk him out of seeking '''regulated''' trades" ?
dorion: I don't right now because I don't have any license. I could put effort into making relationship with licensed operations, but thought I'd ask you since the minimal exposure I have to those smelled more like incomptence.
mp_en_viaje: i mean, the one informative analogy here is i suppose an insured plumber, or even better a union shop. if you're uninsured and want to do plumbing for some guy who needs plumbing done, either he drops the "i want an insured plumber" or you go get insured. same with a union shop : if you wanna work there, either you bust the union or else join the union.
dorion: I inferred that he wants to deal with entities with a license for a securities regulator.
mp_en_viaje: but this isn't what most anyone using the term will expect it to mean, especially if they own a dog, let alone a car or a secretary or anything
mp_en_viaje: it was (mosty, ineptly) co-opted by the early bitcoin crowd to denote a sort of non-repudiable, no-third-party deal
mp_en_viaje: https://markets.cboe.com/europe/equities/market_statistics/otc_reporting/?mkt=trf << here's i suppose a primer. otc originally means "over the counter", it;'s a term of art in finance.
mp_en_viaje: i suspect some term confusion might be at work here.
mp_en_viaje: i mean, there's an actual otc market, i traded on it, so have most people, it's still regulated as much as any market,
mp_en_viaje: not without knowing what the regulations are or in general like that ?
dorion: do you have a recommendation for how I could counter this fiat mindedness when talking with those adapted to the fiat regulation ?
dorion: I'm pretty inexperienced on the bank based side of otc and the couple otc desks I've talked to don't seem so much different than the website exchanges, e.g. use phone apps and/or gmail to facilitate the deals, aren't using gpg or the wot, etc.
dorion: mp_en_viaje a local financial advisor asked me about otc. says he's done some 3 figure btc deals for clients through regulated entities in singapore and switzerland and said he prefers to stay within fiat regulation.
ossabot: Logged on 2020-03-07 06:44:26 mp_en_viaje: but enough of the sandals.
dorion: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2020-03-07#1959062 - I'm looking forward to this time next year when ~everyone has forgotten him and he's no longer brought up ~everytime I answer the question of where I'm from. can go back to mountains, marble, maple syrup and ben & jerry's.
diana_coman: aww, jfw missed a 5th s in there with that predations.
ericbot: Logged on 2020-03-07 11:12:40 mp_en_viaje: lobbes, ima be playing with sluts in the water this weekend ; but come say tuesday, we sit down and finally complete that project ?
lobbes: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2020-03-07#1959069 << Tuesday sounds good to me (and enjoy!)
mp_en_viaje: this then explains the pageful of pingbacks
mp_en_viaje: isn't that a great word ? assonance, an ass not even once!
mp_en_viaje: yes, there is more : it drives assonances in the readership lol.
feedbot: http://trilema.com/2020/thou-lector-or-the-manifest-of-modernity/ << Trilema -- Thou lector (or, the Manifest of Modernity),
mp_en_viaje: lobbes, ima be playing with sluts in the water this weekend ; but come say tuesday, we sit down and finally complete that project ?
mp_en_viaje: rocess a sort of useful publicity-manual thing for you ?
ossabot: Logged on 2020-03-02 17:35:02 mod6: mp_en_viaje: Hey there, Sir. Now that you're back to CR (glad you had a good trip), plz to process mpex withdrawls when you have an extra few minutes. Thanks in advance.
mp_en_viaje: jfw, my intention is to use https://live.blockcypher.com/btc/address/1334rdsG6UuzEXUep6wU3kj87U2U8FPA4M/ through your http://fixpoint.welshcomputing.com/2020/bitcoin-transactions-and-their-signing-1/?b=nears&e=completion#select to pay off http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2020-03-02#1958780 an' http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2020-03-02#1958773 ; do you want to schedule a time this coming week to work together on it, make the p
mp_en_viaje: aite, this is by now turning into way too much of a joke.
ossabot: Logged on 2020-03-02 21:01:19 BingoBoingo: Fed it into deedbot before, but it seems deedbot deeding from chan may be requiring some manual intervention on trinque's side.
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2020-03-02#1958782 << aaand in other lulz, this still not deeded.
mp_en_viaje: but enough of the sandals.
mp_en_viaje: Such successful ratholes the socialists built, that per same ACS 2014, median value of single-family home = $131k, possibly last place on continental us where such wonder exists. only 5k of them, too, but if nobody wants...
mp_en_viaje: "In 1981, he campaigned against the unpopular plans by Burlington developer Tony Pomerleau to convert the then-industrial waterfront property owned by the Central Vermont Railway into expensive condominiums, hotels, and offices. He ran under the slogan "Burlington is not for sale" and successfully supported a plan that redeveloped the waterfront area into a mixed-use district featuring housing, parks, and public spaces."
mp_en_viaje: ACS, 2014 : median household income $37,078, per capita income for the city was $25,589, 16.9% of families and 30.7% of the population below the poverty line. needless to say this wasn't the case in the 70s.
mp_en_viaje: ers are interested in the carcass).
mp_en_viaje: proof : In 2007, the city was named one of the top four "places to watch" in the United States by the American Association of Retired Persons (AARP). The ratings were based on what was perceived as ideal qualities for older residents. Criteria included the factors that make a community livable: new urbanism, smart growth, mixed-use development, and easy-living standards (also known as the place being a ruin so decrepit, not even the nigg
mp_en_viaje: t when Sanders won by just ten votes" << ten years later, burlington, virginia was indeed a ruin, and the moron in question started offering his services on a countrywide basis.
mp_en_viaje: "Sanders castigated the pro-development incumbent as an ally of prominent shopping center developer Antonio Pomerleau, while Paquette warned of ruin for Burlington if Sanders were elected. The Sanders campaign was bolstered by a wave of optimistic volunteers as well as by a series of endorsements from university professors, social welfare agencies, and the police union. The final result came as a shock to the local political establishmen
mp_en_viaje: what is even the point of having some naturally retarded octogenarian president ? oh, wait, right, right, http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2020-01-08#1956709
mp_en_viaje: dude;s born before the fucking war, what a fucking joke.
BingoBoingo: Down here in Uruguay, Dengue is the more immediate threat. Still, the new government that swore in on Sunday already started sweeping up pichis and moving them into shelters.
BingoBoingo: The audition for 2020's Hillary is down to Mr. Sandals, Biden, and that Tulsi chick the US media refused to talk about all campaign.
BingoBoingo: But... the case against the US doing this are their tech is behind and the US is an incredibly geriatricentric mess.
BingoBoingo: generals might take charge for a "state of emergency" in Iran, tremendous tempting a US regime change fail.
BingoBoingo: Well, It's the Iranian supposing it. Very well could have been Eritrea, Kenya, Israel, or the pangolins. I weighted the Iranian saying this as worthwhile on their January humiliation of Trump, Pompeo, and the US military. Maybe they unload some elderly and hang the US with this. Yes hitting the Italian and Iranian geriatric states is incredibly lulzy, but I suspect there's a deeper bench behind Iran's geriatrics than the US raised. The
mp_en_viaje: the iranis don't wanna be the most lulzily vulnerable group to such things, how about they a) start sucking cock thrice a day and b) get some people under 50 involved in their lemon party.
mp_en_viaje: this is like one of those stories where the cuck raped the squirrel.
mp_en_viaje: and what sense does this make, the us is so way the fuck behind in biotech it could just as well be eritreea, but it nevertheless infected the heartland of chinese manufacture, notwithstanding that the chines aren't quite as backward nor is that place so easily accessible [as others would have been] just to get to some utterly obscure and very deeply isolated community of predictably self-selected geriatrics ?
BingoBoingo: mp_en_viaje: ty, fxd
mp_en_viaje: in which same vein, "user password" in the shape of FS symmetrically encrypted such that withoyut password you can read any other OTP out of it that you wish, and so on.
ossabot: Logged on 2020-03-06 14:39:09 jfw: mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2020-03-06#1958985 - so a "shred" command not good enough then? Ignoring the issue that drives have brains of their own these days, is there value in an emergency self-destruct button that depends on a substantial duration of continued external power supply?
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2020-03-06#1959020 << a shred command is a command, ie, a user space program. a kernel call is a kernel call. i don't care how it is exposed ; i deeply care the kernel isn't ~built around it~.
ossabot: Logged on 2020-03-06 14:29:53 jfw: mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2020-03-05#1958950 - still worked, though that was on a musl gawk, perhaps it's special in a sufficiently different way. I don't have a drepper box around with that much disk atm. I'll believe it once blew up in some environment though.
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2020-03-06#1959015 << i think gawk doesn't actually have this problem. i tend not to use it because of all the networking bs.
mp_en_viaje: i think giving away a monopoly to existential thought away to the usg and limiting self to the merely municipal "utilitarian" perspective is not much better, nor in fact substantially different from giving them a monopoly on coinage. which i take we're not willing to give.
ossabot: Logged on 2016-06-30 11:33:02 a111: Logged on 2015-01-30 05:51 mircea_popescu: which is why i am not ever giving it up. the freedom to threaten is not merely my fundamental, unassailable sovereign property, but moreover essential for the construction of effectual instruments to squash the socialists and their golums.
mp_en_viaje: they still exist for the same exact existential reasoning, which is very much the only way to have meaningful totalitarian systems in the first place.
mp_en_viaje: then from that node we can proceed to a "well, how's this to be implemented ? should there eg be a wipeage button or not worth bothering with". i think it's worth bothering with for the statement it makes, for everyone, users and producers alike ; even if it's neither useful nor used. lots of things are neither used nor used, like say the us supreme court.
mp_en_viaje: in any case i'm not proceeding from an utilitarian perspective, "this should exist because the user would benefit". the logic informing the concept is rather existential, "for such a thing as an operating system to meaningfully exist, the self-destruct must be in the operator's hands at all times"
ossabot: Logged on 2020-03-06 14:22:14 jfw: Or small children... if there's a button, it will be pushed
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2020-03-06#1959012 << it's a matter of principle rather than anything ; i think it's poor practice to argue against principles on the basis of expediency. how useful the item is in practice is a fine discussion to be had, sure ; but can only be had on the actually sound basis of having the item in the first place.
diana_coman: and sure, one can still branch (effectively on the manifest file), but again, I don't see the situation where the leaves are not obvious even in a huge tree.
ossabot: Logged on 2020-03-06 14:31:55 jfw: bvt: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2020-03-06#1958964 - with a manifest, multiple leaves would happen when there are different branches building on a common ancestor and not reground into linearity, no?
diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2020-03-06#1959017 - if you mean the branches from before the manifest was introduced in that specific tree, it's not that much "with a manifest" really; but in any case, regardless of how many leaves there are, they are still obvious enough in a tree text dump so that I don't think it's needed separately as such.
ossabot: Logged on 2020-03-06 05:11:03 mp_en_viaje: jfw, incidentally, thinking about it -- the one (and, for that matter, only) item that actually needs first class, os support is user-initiated, thorough, complete and reliable storage media destruction.
jfw: mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2020-03-06#1958985 - so a "shred" command not good enough then? Ignoring the issue that drives have brains of their own these days, is there value in an emergency self-destruct button that depends on a substantial duration of continued external power supply?
jfw: and if, say, every gtk prog is done by building on the gtk tree (not finding the ref but I recall MP explaining it to me thus), this could be a pretty common situation
ossabot: Logged on 2020-03-06 03:55:25 bvt: diana_coman: i have a question about leafs command: can you explain how you use it? i gave it some thought, and honestly i fail to see how it is useful: after adding the manifest which linearizes the vpatches, "leafs" reports only one leaf, without showing the split vtree branches before it.
jfw: bvt: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2020-03-06#1958964 - with a manifest, multiple leaves would happen when there are different branches building on a common ancestor and not reground into linearity, no?
ossabot: Logged on 2020-03-05 15:34:05 mp_en_viaje: jfw, try on say 64gb
jfw: mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2020-03-05#1958950 - still worked, though that was on a musl gawk, perhaps it's special in a sufficiently different way. I don't have a drepper box around with that much disk atm. I'll believe it once blew up in some environment though.
jfw: re cats, there was that time when an out-of-print proprietary unix install CD, irreplaceable artifact, was destroyed. Engineers had left it on a table, y'know, in the server room, near the screwdrivers and such. Not the ideal of orderliness, sure, but not the worst either. What engineers forgot was that CEO liked to bring cats to the office (to better acclimate them to people and travel).