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mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-31#1474162 << this is the fundamental point of womanhood ever since you know, "common sense" added "poverty laws" to the common law. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-05-31 19:01 asciilifeform: young chix are programmable, they would just as happily 'great is the prophet muhammad' if born elsewhere.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-31#1474158 << actually, these same ones will np. ☝︎
mircea_popescu: Framedragger no, it's just luck, there's no rational solution out of the problem. see http://trilema.com/2014/the-hour-of-reckoning/ for the discussion if haven't already. ☟︎
a111: Logged on 2016-05-31 18:52 ben_vulpes: a friend of mine recently broke up with his girl of 4+ years, and i realized during conversation about his new dating adventures and the kinds of women he was encountering that i would have patience for approximately zero reeducation at this point in my life.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-31#1474137 << i can readily see that. even adjusting mentally for "he dun know the half of it!" ☝︎
Framedragger: yeah, i've been prone to this, too, but luckily by applying some "heuristic human computronium" a.k.a. common sense no truly stupid tragedies happened.
mircea_popescu: so the moment they pick the vaguest of signals, they're there.
mircea_popescu: but today, the parents go "oh, everything, blablabla". this is not useful.
mircea_popescu: Framedragger nobody gives these kids any clear signals. their great-grandparents went "bitch, you're gonna marry the first guy with a pulse and make me two nephews!" which was maybe excessive.
a111: Logged on 2016-05-31 18:50 asciilifeform: for instance, i'm about to buy moar display. it will be an lcd. but if mircea_popescu buys another display, it won't be lcd, it'll be a thing where a gurl flips pixels manually.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-31#1474135 << nah, it'll be a lcd and an army of bulgarian nurses to run by the houses of everyone who thinks the opposite and flip them over the head. ☝︎
trinque: because it was her dream to ...
Framedragger: why in the fuck did she move to SF given the rent prices. this is truly perplexing.
a111: Logged on 2016-05-31 18:05 BingoBoingo: She's a transplant to the bay area failing to afford it. Likely a female to mayo transgender with asperzorsations of leaving Ohio behind.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-31#1474102 << very hard to argue with his guess. ☝︎
trinque: fuggin leaky tubes
deedbot: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Giffen << James Giffen - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | http://foreignpolicy.com/2010/11/19/was-james-giffen-telling-the-truth/ << Was James Giffen telling the truth? | Foreign Policy | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kazakhgate << Kazakhgate - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
trinque: huh, must be a timeout thing
mircea_popescu: one of the lulziest cases in the history of the us district kangaroocourts.
mircea_popescu: anyway, thought asciilifeform'd appreciate the story, if not known already.
Framedragger: s/or that/if that/
Framedragger actually liked when reading some marx, at least volume 1 of das kapital. lenin can be discarded, save for learning from history or whatever (or that).
mircea_popescu: it's all in "working together" blabla.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform that's the doctrine, somehow, no matter how badly they get battered they can't give the shit up.
shinohai: Naturally r/btc crowd is celebrating this resurrection: https://www.reddit.com/r/btc/comments/4lvwzo/gavin_andresen_recent_rise_in_ethereum_should_be/d3qj7af
asciilifeform: 'i will help to connect anyone working on undermining bitcoin with like-minded useful idiots!'
asciilifeform: 'I invite capable programmers from anywhere, including China, to help any of the teams working on open source Bitcoin software, whether that is Classic or Core or Unlimited or bitcore or btcd or ckpool or p2pool or bitcoinj.'
asciilifeform: hell, andreas a still talks
asciilifeform: or what, the incas read marx and lenin before building their kolhoz ? ☟︎
asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu socialistoid idiocy comes from lizard brain, not from b00kz. (though it can appear therein)
a111: Logged on 2016-06-01 10:50 mircea_popescu: "the lamp's not dead, just the mains is". mmmkay. long live the cold lamp.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-01#1474385 << mircea_popescu whole point is that ~my particular lamp~ is still glowing. (i recently bought one of them tritium lamps, it is a good analogy for this actually) ☝︎
asciilifeform: solvable in polynomial time.
asciilifeform: this is sorta like the boojum in rsa, where generating a ~good~ key is nontrivial
asciilifeform: how do you PROVE that a particular instance is not trivially heuristicable ?
Framedragger: well systems which assume "worst case" assumption vs. "random instances" of problem are perhaps better. see end of that answer
asciilifeform: but interestingly no 'respectable' cryptographer is even TRYING, afaik.
asciilifeform: it is even possible that we will never see a proof of whether it exists to be found.
Framedragger: not to rain on the parade (not that i could), but isn't it possible such a thing won't ever be found? http://stackoverflow.com/a/3654889 ☟︎☟︎
asciilifeform: note that otp is unbreakable even in ~this~ case.)
asciilifeform: *note that!
asciilifeform: (not that otp is unbreakable even in ~this~ case.)
asciilifeform: from this thread we get a trivial definition of adult cryptosystem: provably unbreakable unless complexity classes collapse.
a111: Logged on 2016-06-01 11:27 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-31#1474087 << looky here, people depositing their "10k usd coupon" from the employer with real estate bezzletron aren't buying anything or paying anything.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-01#1474407 << now this is true. ☝︎
asciilifeform: and yes, this was not so in 1940, or perhaps even 1970, but was so through my whole working life.
a111: Logged on 2016-06-01 11:26 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-31#1474078 << notrly, lost interest after unknown addressed "her ceo" as "jeremy". they're obviously misrepresenting their private relationship, and i have no interest in participating in the banal scenes of fat anglo derps.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-01#1474405 << in small american co it is typical for everyone, from ceo to mute mexican janitor, to be 'first-named' ☝︎☟︎
Framedragger: but of course, true.
Framedragger: child the fuck down
asciilifeform: Framedragger: if it's broken, it ain't a cryptosystem now it. in that SOLVING it doesn't prove p==np for fuck's sake.
a111: Logged on 2016-06-01 10:56 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-30#1473729 << this was so common in romania (for some reason romanians were even MORE crazy book-militant than the ru), that a) there was a state-sponsored, official "books" edition/complete library (called "biblioteca pentru toti"). cheap paperbacks, fixed format made to fit preexisting standard shelving, decent antologies of reasonable titles. this was like you know, the prol
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-01#1474390 << these are 'books' in the same sense that american 'house' is a house, etc. ☝︎
asciilifeform read quite a few things but KEEPS AROUND only the thing worth keeping around...
a111: Logged on 2016-06-01 10:30 mircea_popescu: you can't find a book that's not informed by either a christian or socialist notion of theosophy. neither of these are intellectually acceptable, or even digestible. the dumb will have to be washed off books before they may be instruments of human thought again. asciilifeform does not feel this because he insists on only reading an (insignificant) fraction, math is math eh.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-01#1474379 << i never said to preserve the christian crapola or any other other astrologies. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-06-01 10:21 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-30#1473683 << this is a deeply idiotic measurement. what you can't find me is a nigger that's happy with his life. that's the fucking criteria.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-01#1474367 << mircea_popescu pounded in this nail, yes ☝︎
asciilifeform: but with this twist.
Framedragger: yeah i know the latter, i thought there were additional reasons for preferring c-s here. ok.
asciilifeform: understand that the 'hardness' of all known (and perhaps even any possible) hashes is just as unproven as that of, e.g., aes.
asciilifeform: all we have is a) otp, trivially proven to be impenetrable, high school level exercise b) everything else, being snake oils of varying degrees of toxicity, with c-s being the least noxious known to me presently.
asciilifeform: i personally dug up every publicly accessible resource i could think of, where such a unicorn might live, and found none.
asciilifeform: an adult asymmetric (or symmetric, for that matter) cryptosystem would rely on a mathematical problem of PROVEN complexity class (e.g., np-complete)
asciilifeform: (and i will add that no public implementation wrote it correctly, either.) ☟︎
Framedragger: that's fair. ok. i assume you don't think much of OAEP (i see it mentioned in the logz but only just)
asciilifeform: it STILL, just like all other publicly known asymmetric cryptosystems, relies on a mathematical trap door of UNPROVEN hardness.
Framedragger: please no appeals to teh coming empire
asciilifeform: c-s beats rsa only in that it is provably resistant to chosen-ciphertext attack
a111: Logged on 2016-02-26 01:34 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-02-2016#1415667 << it appears to have been the first (and to date, only other in public) system that is immune to chosen-ciphertext crapolade
Framedragger: asciilifeform: yeah i've got to that section, interesting, gonna slowly parse it
asciilifeform: Framedragger: but i ought to emphasize for n00bs, cramer-shoup is merely the healthiest horse at this glue factory.
asciilifeform: Framedragger: there is a hash-free variant.
Framedragger: (heh they even suggest sha-1 for the hash function, though this is from an olden paper, so.)
Framedragger: (their "proof of security" assumes the hash function is truly one-way)
Framedragger: though a "hash-free variant" appears to be possible, so maybe there's that; need to check.
a111: Logged on 2016-05-31 19:45 asciilifeform: i never really liked the idea of a hash.
Framedragger: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-31#1474264 << that's nice, but doesn't the beloved cramer-shoup also use hashes? their scheme, to quote, "requires a universal one-way hash function" ☝︎☟︎
shinohai: ;;later tell BingoBoingo http://dpaste.com/1YZ90BF
mircea_popescu: when communism ended they gave the herd "coupons" to "privatize" the various busnesses by "subscription". the process of "subscribing" these coupons made nobody an investor.
a111: Logged on 2016-05-31 18:00 asciilifeform: trinque: the folks payin' $10k/mo for a 1room flat ?
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-31#1474087 << looky here, people depositing their "10k usd coupon" from the employer with real estate bezzletron aren't buying anything or paying anything. ☝︎☟︎
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-31#1474078 << notrly, lost interest after unknown addressed "her ceo" as "jeremy". they're obviously misrepresenting their private relationship, and i have no interest in participating in the banal scenes of fat anglo derps. ☝︎☟︎
a111: Logged on 2016-05-31 05:05 ben_vulpes: so pediwikia claims that du chatelet is actually the postulator of the total energy constraint?
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-31#1474053 << lmao check it out, napoleon iii pretension lives through the colonies! which are illiterate still! ☝︎
shinohai: ;;later tell pete_dushenski I'll see if BB can correct said oversight, thanks!
a111: Logged on 2016-05-31 03:09 BingoBoingo: In other old trilema http://trilema.com/2013/the-title-is-in-the-pudding/
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-31#1474047 << thanks you two, now i'm lost in reading old trilema o.O ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-05-30 18:09 phf: apparently those things are really expensive to run. i used to go on potomac with Georgetown liesure boat crowd, and short, 1-2 hour runs, would cost ~~3k in gas, and that was 8-10 years ago
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-30#1473738 <<< my dear man. over one thousand gallons ?! think for a moment, the floating deathstar was burning a gallon every other second ? how did you stand the heat ? ☝︎
mircea_popescu: i don't think they had actually figured out by the end of the 80s that "everything" is a bad sort of books to have.
mircea_popescu: and b) all sorts of "required" items for the you know, "upper crust" which every aparatchick aspired to parvene to. they were rather meticulous, effectual sorts of people, and well informed, and consequently if you visited (which was common) and someone asked, "so what books does he have ?" you'd answer "everything." and they'd know what you meant.
a111: Logged on 2016-05-30 18:05 phf: no, but i've seen some extensive libraries in apparatchik homes that i know for a fact nobody read
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-30#1473729 << this was so common in romania (for some reason romanians were even MORE crazy book-militant than the ru), that a) there was a state-sponsored, official "books" edition/complete library (called "biblioteca pentru toti"). cheap paperbacks, fixed format made to fit preexisting standard shelving, decent antologies of reasonable titles. this was like you know, the prole version of "it's ☝︎☟︎
mircea_popescu: that's how cars ended up with a dollop of hot plastic on top. "suv"s my foot. it's just ldks, for "locals don't know shit"
a111: Logged on 2016-05-30 18:05 asciilifeform: and i imagine it must suck to be the owner of a real airplane landed on cargo cult island, it will promptly be ripped apart for parts to decorate straw planes the moment you look away
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-30#1473728 << i suspect this is why television ended up shit. argentines love it! ☝︎
mircea_popescu: "the lamp's not dead, just the mains is". mmmkay. long live the cold lamp. ☟︎
a111: Logged on 2016-05-30 17:55 asciilifeform: and yes, the ~cultural institutions~ that produced my library, are dead as dodo.