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mircea_popescu: takes a shitload of stupid to get a world power into african level. took the russians what, a half century to unwind the last four tsars (stalin being the 4th)
asciilifeform: i predicted, for instance, that there would be a usgtronic alt backed by actual fiatola. which hasn't happened yet.
mircea_popescu: fish similarly, the better it's hooked, the more it struggles.
mircea_popescu: no, on the contrary, the more it bleeds the more vigorous it gets.
mircea_popescu: how's that follow ?
asciilifeform: if usg were bleeding turkey dollars, the successive iterations of altpump would lose vigour.
asciilifeform: something is missing in the model.
mircea_popescu: well no but it's part of the asciilifeform apodicticology, "nothing that ever happens could disrupt usg".
asciilifeform: this is rather like, e.g., rutherford's observation that electron doesn't fall out of its orbit by radiating away energy, and hence is not analogous to orbiting moon.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform that goes without saying, for you.
BingoBoingo: Just wait till the real DAOist posts pics of all their turkeys
asciilifeform: i'm still not convinced that there's been any net leakage of 'turkey dollar.'
deedbot: [Qntra] Quebec Political Party Quietly Invited All Possible Observers To Internal Discussions - http://qntra.net/2016/06/quebec-political-party-quietly-invited-all-possible-observers-to-internal-discussions/
asciilifeform: which is why 1,001 flavours of ninjashotguns instinctively attack the notion.
asciilifeform: wot is the one and only potential penicillin for this.
asciilifeform: and yes, 'them crackpots are crayzeeeee' - for same reason as the folks shooting at usg are. because after 100 yrs of 'we control vertical and horizontal' only the nuts are left to resist.
asciilifeform: the one thing ~every~ idiocy is unerringly good at is recognizing direct threats to own perpetuation.
asciilifeform: which is to say, the tokamak folks are about as interested in desktop, $1000 fusion (of ~whatever temperatures~) as the maths dept at your uni is interested in elementary proof of fermat, or the software 'industry' - in 'fits in head', etc. ☟︎
asciilifeform: one key bit of insight is that 'self-licking ice cream cones' - which is to say, all 'mainstream science', as carried out by mandarins who leave their balls in a jar via the degree-wank-till-you're-45 method (vs the ancient and more humane sharp knife and rope one) all produce very much the same output.
a111: Logged on 2016-06-19 01:29 hanbot: <asciilifeform> 'Additional criticism is levied at the group's leader, Eric Lerner, for his rejection of the mainstream consensus regarding the Big Bang, which leads to more doubt as to the group's legitimacy.' << lel << wtf is a "mainstream consensus" even, other'n subconscious acknowledgement of the utter lack of substance contained in what they'd like to be seen as doing, anyway.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-19#1484865 << the zombies' notion of 'substance' is quite the same 'palace economy' as their concept of, e.g., political legitimacy - a magical juice produced at harvard and distributed to the mandarins and from there down to 'deserving' plebes. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-06-19 01:23 shinohai: lol Factom up 44.97 % iisn't that the company you mentioned earlier asciilifeform
a111: Logged on 2016-06-18 17:24 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: re alts from earlier thread, seems like usg already just now picked successor turdcoin: https://www.dhs.gov/science-and-technology/news/2016/06/17/st-awards-199k-austin-based-factom-inc-iot-systems-security
hanbot: <asciilifeform> 'Additional criticism is levied at the group's leader, Eric Lerner, for his rejection of the mainstream consensus regarding the Big Bang, which leads to more doubt as to the group's legitimacy.' << lel << wtf is a "mainstream consensus" even, other'n subconscious acknowledgement of the utter lack of substance contained in what they'd like to be seen as doing, anyway. ☟︎
shinohai: lol Factom up 44.97 % iisn't that the company you mentioned earlier asciilifeform ☟︎
asciilifeform: tendrils of the squid.
asciilifeform: 'what ted talk said' --> konsensooos.
asciilifeform: for ustards there is ALWAYS a 'consensus'.
mircea_popescu: the only conensus would be of esltards and junior high unionized teachers.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform there is absolutely no "consensus" re early physics. there';s at least a dozen articulated theories, maybe broadly classifiable in 3-4 groups.
asciilifeform: 'Additional criticism is levied at the group's leader, Eric Lerner, for his rejection of the mainstream consensus regarding the Big Bang, which leads to more doubt as to the group's legitimacy.' << lel
asciilifeform: fusion pops up as one such. there were many other subjs.
asciilifeform: an interesting exercise, for patient folks, is to follow the usg tendrils backwards in time, observing what subjects had been dealt with by seeding public forum with crank bait, long before 'blocksizs wars' etc.
mircea_popescu: (except in fucking argentina, these people are too mentally slow to even that.)
mircea_popescu: and the "call X for cocksucking" notices unfailingly appear in all public restrooms
asciilifeform: sorta how 'aliens did it' folk unfailingly appear in all '9-11 truth' discussions.
asciilifeform: (largely propagated by naturally-occurring idiots, but usg wins from their existence and sometimes throws a bone, ensuring that their voice will be loud and clear in any nominally 'deviant' forum)
mircea_popescu: that said, there's a bunch of crap floating around cold fusion. a sort of quantum computing.
asciilifeform: but the inhabitants spread elsewhere.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i thought they weren't active no moar ?
mircea_popescu: where's all these ugly schmucks come from. check out frank luntz for a nightmare sometime.
asciilifeform: yudkowsky & co 'debunk' any un-usgtronic item they can think of
mircea_popescu: ugly fucker, too.
asciilifeform: in other lulz, 'weeds must spread' apparently encompasses every possible thing: http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Fusion_woo
mircea_popescu: another bitcoin scammer moved on to altcoins ?
mircea_popescu: no, as a general rule drones hang for what they are, queens hang for what they did. there's really little other than "he's jwz" needed to hang jwz.
mircea_popescu: someone somewhere absolutely has to hang for "web 2.0"
mircea_popescu: personally i'm much more invested in beheading the schmuck over the "web 2.0" bullshit than whatever foss drama.
a111: Logged on 2013-12-22 16:56 asciilifeform: 'what people “want” is a function of what they learn is available. e.g., do Americans want three-ring binders, and Europeans four-ring binders? or do they want binders and take whatever number of holes they come with? or do they want something that can help them organize their papers and take whatever is available? or do they really want a less cluttered office and ease of storage and retrieval of the infor
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'demand doesn't exist' << is this naggum's binders thing ??
asciilifeform: mega-recommended, and moar interesting than folks think
asciilifeform: or - what i'm reading now, under a shade tree in middle of town - fusor schematics.
mircea_popescu: or what, you think anyone WANTED to read the fucking harry potter nonsense ?
mircea_popescu: 0 to do with demand, which a) doesn't exist and b) is ALWAYS marketing driven anywa.
mircea_popescu: he printed for the same reason vc generally prints : "gotta have finger in all pies you never know which you want later".
mircea_popescu: which is the story here. derpopo's o'reilly's point man in "cryptoblockchainaltechnologies" after being kicked the fuck out of bitcoin.
asciilifeform: but he printed andreas because 1,000,001 chumps were ready to buy, not because prb necessarily.
asciilifeform: not that the man isn't a snake
mircea_popescu: sort-of like any weed, trying to go in empty land
asciilifeform: i always thought that oreilley - the dead tree thing - were purely opportunistic
a111: Logged on 2015-01-11 03:50 mircea_popescu: i don't propose that rms "shouldn't have" or that fsf shouldn't have been or anything of the sort. but really, the pretense that at some point the situation seriously was, red pill vs blue pill and o'reilly of all people tricked everyone into getting the wrong pill...
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2015-01-11#972638 << that's in the zone. ☝︎
mircea_popescu: nah nah. the books guy
mircea_popescu: dja happen to recall it ?
mircea_popescu: there was a pretty decent monograph on how the early days of "open source" vs "free software" played out, with the wanna-be derp front and center, i think linked in the logs.
asciilifeform: it is of course possible that he works, but i can't picture this.
mircea_popescu: kinda the strategy of that mini usg, "find pliable idiots in all fields, promote them, get payola when/if nsa needs some planting done"
mircea_popescu: well of course, he exists because the asshole behind ers&co's "we'll get UBER RICH by backstabbing rms", the one with the shoddy "guide" textbook publishing scam, promoted him way back when.
mircea_popescu: amusingly, even twitter's tearing him a new one. lol. mmmmkay. EXPERTISE!
mircea_popescu: does it take some sort of skill and expertise to be loudly wrong about everything you say and collect a whole trophycase of "that one time i was so ridiculous people laughed at me for a week" ?
mircea_popescu: Framedragger i always thought the reference there must be "idiot's village".
shinohai: I'll wind most anything up once to see if it wobbles.
a111: Logged on 2016-06-18 20:33 shinohai: I used it one time a long time ago, it has to go through the WHOLE chain first
mircea_popescu: well, telegraph.
a111: Logged on 2016-06-18 20:57 mircea_popescu: and in today's lulz offering for asciilifeform , http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/1325398/Euro-court-outlaws-criticism-of-EU.html
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-18#1484769 << lol this has gotta be a gag, it is just too lulzy ☝︎
mircea_popescu: and in today's lulz offering for asciilifeform , http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/1325398/Euro-court-outlaws-criticism-of-EU.html ☟︎
mircea_popescu: sooo... apple "withholds" "tech aid" from trump campaign. best fucking thing that ever happened to those people, not being bogged down by macs & shit.
mod6: just thinking about this stuff... food for thought
mod6: im on the same thought track - yeah.
shinohai: shouldn't this be possible to an extent with dumpblock ?
mod6: but like i said, something to be learned from this maybe
mod6: "As of this writing, it needs a log of RAM to work, typically upwards of 25Gigs." :D
mod6: yeah, looks like it. thought maybe i'd learn a thing or two by reading this code.
shinohai: I used it one time a long time ago, it has to go through the WHOLE chain first ☟︎
mod6: anyone else ever used this?
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: "fuck your village" thanks for the lols :D
mircea_popescu: ima go pick up a slut, will be back in a few hours. just in case any gavin andresen implementations feel the burning need to derp here.
Framedragger: > soon we will have a smart contract to reward miners who oppose the soft fork and mines the transaction. 1 million ether + 100 btc will be shared with miners.
mircea_popescu: shinohai this is ~the result of google existing, basically.
shinohai: Interesting that so many "news sources" shat out same interview all at once.
Framedragger behind on the news
Framedragger: wow im not gonna read all of it but https://github.com/LeastAuthority/ethereum-analyses/blob/master/GasEcon.md is amusing, ethereum is sorta shite on the purely technical level, too
Framedragger: shinohai: runaway side effect of turing complete contracts. some a.i. leakage unavoidable.
shinohai: Is this daoattacker fr ... BA ?
Framedragger: i just find it amusing in general, yeah pointing out not as a contra, but, just, for the lulz
mircea_popescu: not that o noes, this was such a great skillfully involved etc "hack"
mircea_popescu: really, the claim is that buterin and the MIT are mongoloids.
Framedragger: you know, not even that obscure
Framedragger: same, honestly, this has been uncovered only now, but, like, wtf, it's right there in a security audit, wtf