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mircea_popescu: so : if you're EVER GOING TO BE an adult, the idiocy outside doesn't matter. and if the idiocy outside matters, you weren't ever going to be an adult anyway. entirely disjunct sets
mircea_popescu: and i'm not about to stand for any "it doesn't counts because".
asciilifeform: other than 'hey if you're an adult and weren't born yesterday, Things Work'
trinque: it didn't take me longer than 5min to copy the openbsd emacs makefile and remove everything I didn't want
mircea_popescu: so the point is essentially moot. yes, if anyone gave a shit "they'd form their whole worldview through watching cnn". the problem is that the people watching cnn aren't goingto ever form a worldview anyway, and the people who will ever have formed a worldview don't watch it.
mircea_popescu: point is - either you're an adult or you aren't. if you're an adult you don't find out where your asshole goes from googling assholes. if you're not an adult there is no hope for you anyway, no matter what.
mircea_popescu: "for as long as you weren't born yesterday, not being born yesterday worx".
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: for so long as you don't attempt install of ANYTHING not found on selfsame disks -- worx
whaack: i asked for one a long time ago but i never got the game working and didn't save the dpaste message unfortunately
mircea_popescu: whaack oh didn't you have one already ?
a111: Logged on 2017-01-14 01:28 mircea_popescu: aqnyway, the "hive mind" is fucking comedic already. FIVE YEARS with the subverted python, got them nowhere. close to five years pushing rust, nothing to show for it. systemd is still mostly a joke, and the hatred is growing exponentially while the pustule is growing logarithmic at that. meanwhile the republic cracked open the heartbleed in quite the painful fashion, no matter how much effort went into "rehappening" it. not t
mircea_popescu: all the bad hbo productions cranking up to 11 a theoretical future in which everything is "mobile" and "intelligent" by default ain't gonna make the fad not be a fad.
mircea_popescu: aqnyway, the "hive mind" is fucking comedic already. FIVE YEARS with the subverted python, got them nowhere. close to five years pushing rust, nothing to show for it. systemd is still mostly a joke, and the hatred is growing exponentially while the pustule is growing logarithmic at that. meanwhile the republic cracked open the heartbleed in quite the painful fashion, no matter how much effort went into "rehappening" it. not t ☟︎
mod6: i don't know how the mechanical hash matching would work otherwise.
mircea_popescu: well yes but this isn't necessarily a criterion is it ?
mircea_popescu: i don't get how you built this list, fwiw.
mod6: and removal of one doesn't, in my current implementation, ensure it's removal, as there are three other antecedents for this.
mircea_popescu: and if that's not pressed (as you removed its seal), then this shouldn't either.
mod6: His graph doesn't show all of the edges, and as this correctly highlights, I believe to be less than perfect. ☟︎
mod6: You see, when I've tested this in a single edge graph system -- a simple test vpatch set, this problem doesn't occur. a->b->c->d->e, remove 'c', and you just have a->b -- my current implemntation does this fine.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: no contest. 1st rule of history vs feeling, is that the folx who inhabited 'history', largely didn't give half a fuck
asciilifeform: i can't speak for others, but it was always ~that~ part that turned my stomach, reading about olden timez.
mircea_popescu: such bizarro notions. really, because dork can't think it then follows that mp can't be right and nature will go out of its way to accomodate ?
mircea_popescu: i don't get it. wasted potential to what ?
asciilifeform: aha. cast out them devils. but also don't forget to cast out the pennies in yer pockets, your reactors, diesel engines, and give'em all to $huckster.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform random nonsense aside, i also don't believe fusion is +ev in a practical sense. obviously if you can be arsed to gather together enough hydrogen you get your own star for free. but that's about it.
mircea_popescu: at issue isn't whether they're systematic or systemic ; but whether they're projective.
mircea_popescu: we might mean different things by organised. i don't mean what is meant by "systematizing" in eg "systematizing delusion"
mircea_popescu: i don't care about stupidity per se ; organised stupidity of any kind however is a different matter.
mircea_popescu: or maybe just i don't read it so well.
mircea_popescu: anyway, it's impossible to hide the albright from any of this. but then again they don't specifically aim to hide it from us, secure in the knowledge that the orcs it's addresses to entirely lack the receptors in the first place. which is true.
mircea_popescu: re the soros book : it's not terrible, there's a certain political bent to it but i expect you're immune. like how human doesn't catch most rat viral strains.
mircea_popescu: "why didn;t they do it sooner!" "cuz they didn't feel like it!" "but why did they do it at all!" "cuz they felt like it!"
asciilifeform: ( re 'public good', the removal of the 'great stink' from 1850s london, by the construction of the -- very costly -- sewer system, finest at the time in the world, is imho instructive. they DID first try every possible method of 'eliminate the problem strictly for mircea_popescu !' -- parliament soaked curtains in lime, folx walked around with cloth masks, etc. but eventually queen barfed when sailing in pleasure boat, and that was t
asciilifeform: ^ doesn't seem like a notion in particularly dire need of disproof tho. just as 'why bricks cannot birth rats'
mircea_popescu: as good a statement as any re why moore law can't ever produce ai.
asciilifeform: well you can't , afaik, set up world where the payers get to live obummer-free but the cheapskates get another 8 yrs of him.
asciilifeform: it doesn't strike me as counterintuitive at all, is actually the exact thing i was thinking of.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: shooting thieves in the street, or rabid weasels, etc. definitely 'public good' -- they remain dead for all the misers who hadn't paid for exterminator service aha
mircea_popescu: this is also how banking works, "you can have all the money you don't need you could wish -- but don't ask for money when you need it!"
mircea_popescu: it's not clear to me that any engineering issues are in fact involved. all i see are purely psychogenic issues improperly welded to the foregoing. you don't need nor can have any meaningful implementation of "public servicves", not ever. getting oneself to believe the contrary is a strange exercise in contorsionism
asciilifeform: it isn't even a subj particular to lisp.
asciilifeform: didn't mircea_popescu only show up for exam day or the like
asciilifeform: phf et al : i still don't get why not simply candi_lustt (+ 2 2)
phf: asciilifeform: there are two incompatible eating methods, "eat" function and the ^( mode. i added the latter for my own convenience, because number of times i want to type a sexp is way higher than a literate string that opens with paren. obviously doesn't scale to a channel full of people, who have much less need for a repl bot
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes the idea is for this to be a toy-level learn-lisp item ; can't add a "AND IF YOU DO ARCANE THING YOU DIE" coda.
ben_vulpes: can't the lords be trusted to shut her up when they're done playing?
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes i don't want her to do anything specifically, but she also can't answer to a single-open-parens control sequence
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: didn't feel like climbing down from ladder to get'em.
BingoBoingo: And why weren't you using nitrile gloves?!
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform comments don't allow < semantically because it's the start of a html tag ; articles have problems parsing (( and )) because it's footnote convention
mircea_popescu: speaking of which : ben_vulpes would you join candi here and set everyone in l1 to its eat list ? i deem you've satisfied contractual obligations re support ; if you'll be kind enough to bring it back within a day or two should it get knocked off that's entirely fine by my lights. and everyone else : have fun with the lisp repl, but don't abuse.
mircea_popescu: naggum evidently intends restrictions as to shape AND USAGE. this you don't see because you opt to, but in his world, as constructed from his words, it is legitimate for someone to come and tell you "this isn't a proper use of the public service", and it is illegitimate for you to retort "tough"
mircea_popescu: it doesn't shock you, the man's delicacy ?
mircea_popescu: and otherwise, anyone recall the link to the big array/list discussion cuz i can't fucking find it
mircea_popescu: so i tried to watch naked (2013). the most i can say is that the atrocity is a fine explanation of why there isn't such a thing as english philosophy.
ben_vulpes: https://igoradamenko.github.io/awsm.css/elements.html "div isn't styled because it doesn't have semantic value" << i like this attitude
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: wasn't the question. care to answer it ?
ben_vulpes: but wtf who isn't 2 jumps away from a dentist
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: wtf, didn't make laptop, no
mircea_popescu: i dunno, some bit about how the chinese emperors din't have covers on their beds, slept covered in women
ben_vulpes: Framedragger: are you sure you shouldn't be using olegdb?
mircea_popescu: phf to quote from a film i don't recall, "niente coveri, solo corpi di tinere donne"
pete_dushenski: if you have, it doesn't have a trackback at least
a111: Logged on 2017-01-09 14:41 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-09#1599676 << for the record, there isn't a case in history YET where schelling point was anything than against complexity.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i don't have a proggy written, but the general idea is not monumentally arcane -- you simply work backwards
asciilifeform: in late 19th c. usa, the land of p.t. barnum & co, there was a (one of many) mass-hysteria crackpotteries, an obsession with 'properly chewing your food before you swallow it.' complete with maxims such as the unforgettable 'nature shall castigate those who don't masticate!' the hayek, rand, etc. folx reminds me of nothing more than of this.
deedbot: http://trilema.com/2017/why-politicians-dont-ever-do-anything-for-the-people-a-model/ << Trilema - Why politicians don't ever do anything for the people, a model
mircea_popescu: fwiw i wasn't terribly impressed with that particular statement.
mircea_popescu: and yes i plant my own lovage, in buenos aires, because the plant doesn't exist and "soup condiment mix" doesn't satisfy.
mircea_popescu: don't tell me all this nonsense now makes sense to you ?
mircea_popescu: the computer doesn't in the slightest mind running in a for loop from now until the heat-end of history. however, it would humbly request you actually write its death sentence deliberately rather than by uncomprehended accidenty.
davout: asciilifeform: the reason some of the string primitives aren't included, e.g. "substring" is that they're O(n)? In other words, that the convenience comes at the cost of incentivizing operator idiocy?
mircea_popescu: there's two points. one, where i saw it at the periphery and feared it may be a thing, which made me pretty pissy : http://logs.bvulpes.com/chainstate?d=2017-1-11#1340 and then http://logs.bvulpes.com/chainstate?d=2017-1-11#1374 as the issue was structuring in my head. then of course the closing comments early today morning, http://logs.bvulpes.com/chainstate?d=2017-1-12#323 as the thing couldn't actually be dismissed.
mircea_popescu: i know. i hadn't seen it until yesterday either.
davout: mircea_popescu: i'm afraid i don't see that particular ambiguity
asciilifeform: davout: cl chars ain't bytes
asciilifeform: davout: notice that it ~wasn't~ included!
mircea_popescu: not so. i can go from everything i do in an infinite string of correct whys to prime logic. broken shit can't do that.
mircea_popescu: ie, the veterans' objections couldn't be dismissed.
mircea_popescu: well, a large part of the problem is that strings aren't something.
davout: mircea_popescu: i didn't "pour a bottle on your head", i accidentally'd a wine ~glass~, at least that's what i remember!
asciilifeform: iirc it was not fully formed. but he didn't like mine, because it was 'gut hunch', which was quite fair
mod6: <+ben_vulpes> waiwut i don't remember this wine event << great steaks at this place. Mr. P. had to leave and change his suit.
ben_vulpes: waiwut i don't remember this wine event
mircea_popescu: i don't mean the punters, i mean the site administration.
mircea_popescu: i can't remember, but just ask your favorite
mircea_popescu: can't hurt anything.
mircea_popescu: you don't buy it on credit in the first place, i guess.
asciilifeform: hey it ain't a hygienic box regardless of what you do or do not put in the holes.
phf: yeah, i'm just building a typing laptop. probably going to take it to india with me instead of main machine. can't really afford getting it stolen, and don't want to bother with proper compartmentalization
asciilifeform: but i also can't recommend a better, all else equal, lappy.
trinque: I don't buy it
asciilifeform: btw this bios contains the infamous 'computrace' rootkit. the cure for which is 1) don't switch it on 2) don't run winblowz
asciilifeform: also there is a script for getting the weirdo buttons on that machine to work, but it isn't original to me, and can be found elsewhere.
thestringpuller: haven't seen this kinda volatility in awhile
asciilifeform: also can't resist asking -- wai there is no diddletron in the 'pink' seat.
asciilifeform: quite possibly. other one requires coprocessor that i didn't come from the factory with, i suspect, to appreciate properly
asciilifeform: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/nza71/?raw=true << geometry, if it wasn't wholly clear
asciilifeform: noooo you don't do this under gas. you do it under hard vacuum. so it sublimates.