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a111: Logged on 2015-07-26 05:35 asciilifeform: the world of 1985, where there were a thousand ~state-of-the-art~ chip fabs, under two+ separate civilizational systems, and running perhaps a dozen ~entirely independently developed~ toolchains - isn't coming back
a111: Logged on 2018-07-09 14:46 phf: i'm remembering when i was in costa rica there was a couple of days when it was raining non stop, and it was "muggy" and everything was constantly wet. visions of tropical diseases from the age of exploration books
a111: Logged on 2017-01-06 13:03 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: phun phakt, i replicated phuctor on a mac lappy (it happened to be the one in the room with sufficient free disk) and it works -- except that apparently gdb no longer works on latest crapple os
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform she holds on to a post. you know, just as when punished ; you pull. she ends up winded and you end up sweating.
mircea_popescu: and makes the krummem Holze quite apparent : a) they make substitute whipping implement that then b) they make the women use among themselves.
asciilifeform: i.e. a sort of hair shirt ?
mircea_popescu: comes as close to giving the woman a good beating as humanly possible without welts and leather straps. which ~makes me suspect~ it was very much not coincidental
phf: in america corsets are predominantly worn by overweight "doms", and they are bought from goth costume stores, a very peculiar item, that ensures that any mention of "corset" in the conversation indicates a loser
asciilifeform: and i can definitely picture how it's a 'high tech' item, sure.
mircea_popescu: and when i say "stepped beyond the corset" i mean, that she proposed the first recipe for obtaining lady (ie, lordship female) that is both a) dressed and b) not in a corset.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-09#1832946 << a) they were the standard undergarment for dressed up female longer&wider than ~any other item ; b) they are actually a very faberge-like engineering item. i propose your disinterest is merely driven by your never having seen an item, either at rest or in use. but no, not toyota, rather http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-05#1832121 ☝︎☝︎
phf: i'm remembering when i was in costa rica there was a couple of days when it was raining non stop, and it was "muggy" and everything was constantly wet. visions of tropical diseases from the age of exploration books ☟︎
BingoBoingo: phf: Muggy in a "cold" way, but less consistently
a111: Logged on 2018-07-09 02:22 mircea_popescu: basically, stepped beyond the corset ; something in her line much in the vein of "let's make sewing machine that ~doesn't try to immitate seamstres hand~" or "let's try and make flying machine that ~doesn't try to immitate bird~". creativity is creativity, resistence of medium is resistence of medium, can find a lot to like about fashion designer.
ave1: Well, all in a days work, I guess.
ave1: yes, It's the process of going sarting with "why am I not getting any core dumps" to "o hey the kernel will call a program to handle core dumps" to "O fuck, systemd is called". And then systemd with all of it's policies and pure stupidity.
mircea_popescu: basically, stepped beyond the corset ; something in her line much in the vein of "let's make sewing machine that ~doesn't try to immitate seamstres hand~" or "let's try and make flying machine that ~doesn't try to immitate bird~". creativity is creativity, resistence of medium is resistence of medium, can find a lot to like about fashion designer. ☟︎
asciilifeform: to carry on with analogy, it is not yet even clear to asciilifeform whether there even is a kitchen beneath the writhing mass.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> lasting-er impact, as a fashionista, than as one of these, whatever they are, "intellectuals" or so. << Whoever came up with those graft jeans has a legacy
mircea_popescu: and ~just as~ in the computer case, fashion also has some kind of vague relation with objective realities. somewhat. tit holes usually go in front, registers usually go on a bus, sorta level of reality constraint.
mircea_popescu: lasting-er impact, as a fashionista, than as one of these, whatever they are, "intellectuals" or so.
mircea_popescu: of course, this may just be a problem of optics. apple tree keeps on giving for 30+ years, debian so far smoking nervously in the 1st decade corner.
mircea_popescu: this is the "default genesis" so to speak of any signature's seals. if the owner patches upon it, to make it eg "this is a lulz signature, will sign all retarded implementations with it", that'd be his problem, and yours only by the extension of, "why are you trusting signatures without knowing the owner enough to have seen the actual meaning-patch-tree he uses".
mircea_popescu: http://blog.esthlos.com/routes-to-keccak-in-esthlos-v/#footnote_5_24 << signing a patch signifies, at the common basis, a) that the signer has read the patch and that b) in his best effort determination b1) the transformation that the specified patch brings upon b2) the exact codebase specified will not b3) ~introduce~ properties that are b4) novel, unobvious and nefarious (all three).
mircea_popescu: so it was, "re-grind your genesis ~as a patch upon eucrypt~."
mircea_popescu: esthlos can't select portions of your blog! but anyway, "Make a new patch with esthlos-v_genesis and some node of the EuCrypt tree as parents." wasn't contemplated, because http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-29#1592769 ☝︎☟︎
esthlos: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-07#1832731 << looks like yeah, I have ancient vdiff, taken from the classic http://cascadianhacker.com/07_v-tronics-101-a-gentle-introduction-to-the-most-serene-republic-of-bitcoins-cryptographically-backed-version-control-system ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-03-07 19:18 mircea_popescu: esthlos i don't get it, you're going to take a stab "at it" ie making a textfile, the sort that only carries any sort of weight or importance if a) you're somebody and b) you're doing something important, in between whenever your fiat job permits you a few hours here and there ?
a111: Logged on 2018-07-07 23:27 phf: i've been using vpatch/vdiff without full blown v, because i can order the patches by hand (and there's now an explicit ordering provided by manifest), and vpatch verifies the hashes for me. it would be handy if i could also press existing sha patches with `vpatch -a sha` or whatever
esthlos: wrt http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-07#1832726 and asciilifeform 's "sad mode", the idea of using the manifest was the confusing way the fuck back in http://btcbase.org/log/2018-03-07#1787163 , where I thought "oh, mp wants me to build a vtron using manifest to resolve tree, guess I need a manifest spec!" ☝︎☝︎
BingoBoingo: This is largely a country a jeans grafters too
mircea_popescu: http://thetarpit.org/posts/y04/077-lacul-morii.html#selection-141.182-141.386 << dood has a fucking point. you should see the morons here, i suspect they sleep in the damned things. their idea of "dressing up" is ~a different blouse~ atop the grafted-on jeans. they have shops catering to this specifically, "dress-up blouses shop". in most social situations i actually own 99.9x% of all human females dressed like human females
asciilifeform: a Troo Eternal gnat oughta be able to build itself ad-infinitum, jumping archs as necessary
mircea_popescu: just has a very personal relationship with the poor lang, fo sho.
phf: he's a crypto-alchemist, leaving hints in the logs for future generations
mircea_popescu: "Speaking of below, above" lmao spyked's forging himself a new poetic language, full of verve and unexpectedness!
asciilifeform: phf: as discussed in the recent diana_coman thread, if you want systemwide musl-anythings, gotta have a pure musl box.
asciilifeform: phf: only on a system where the systemwide crapola is traditional (glibc) and your musl item is a homedir-local build, a la rotor.
phf: asciilifeform: is it possible to combine musl and libc on a same gentoo system (gentoo insists i use something they call crossdev, i haven't yet looked into it further) (i'm using your aarch64 gentoo root file system)?
asciilifeform: it's a musltronic build, like rotor. so it builds absolutely errything that is needed for a working static elf-outputting gnat.
asciilifeform: phf: ave1's recent breakthrough was specifically this -- a rotor-style cross-compile process that takes an existing amd64 gnat, and builds a particular other gnat for whatever arch
phf: i very briefly looked at ave1's script, and i'm guessing that's what it's supposed to do (besides musl related): build a x86 hosted aarch64 crosscompiler, build an aarch64 build using that compiler?
phf: ave1, asciilifeform or other ada specialists, how did you bootstrap a gnat on aarch64? is there some binary that's floating around (because adacore doesn't seem to have linux-aarch64 build) or is it bootstrapped using a cross compiler on a x86 linux?
asciilifeform: per above, we get the astonishing find that, since 2016 , all but 498 lusers either: a) got booted from shithub or b) swapped key
deedbot: http://thetarpit.org/posts/y04/077-lacul-morii.html << The Tar Pit - A photographic tour of Bucharest; in today's issue: Lacul Morii
a111: Logged on 2018-07-07 13:47 spyked: asciilifeform, phathub file contains RSA e and N only. but that's a good point, should also post the other ones under some raw form.
a111: Logged on 2018-07-08 04:27 ave1: asciilifeform, http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-07#1832709, this seems to me to be a duplicate key. But maybe I misunderstand? (i.e. N an e are the same, user is the same but github key id is different)
spyked: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-08#1832806 <-- it certainly looks this way, these are keys that are in both the phathub-2015 and 2018 datasets, and this particular one belongs to the same user. but note that the 2018 one doesn't have a key id (I inserted the user id instead), that one was only available when grabbing the key through the API. ☝︎
spyked: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-07#1832633 <-- ok. this'll be a very good exercise for the spyked patch-making muscle, I need it. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-07-07 21:38 mircea_popescu: consider, he walks a historical table.
ave1: asciilifeform, http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-07#1832709, this seems to me to be a duplicate key. But maybe I misunderstand? (i.e. N an e are the same, user is the same but github key id is different) ☝︎☟︎
mircea_popescu: does look like the chinos stole a hellenistic item.
phf: flintlock was a bitch
mircea_popescu: yes but that was more 1800s. century does a lot for machining.
asciilifeform: gatling actually got a fairly successful second life, in vietnam ( and to present day )
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform since we're doing weird guns, i guess pucker gatling also worth a mention
mircea_popescu: (and if anyone's curious why the cichlids are such a big deal pantsuit item -- brooding habits, every individual of either gender does ~nothing all day besides "helping" the young, by which they also mean adolescents)
asciilifeform: granted, early cannon was nearly as lethal to the artillerist as to enemy. but that was state of art in 1500. turret pistol seems like a step back..
asciilifeform: horizontal ~drums~ work ok, as in rpd ( https://topwar.ru/14415-degtyarev-pehotnyy-pulemetu-dp-85-let.html ) , but these had a bolt & extractor
mircea_popescu: now, politically i was going to take a soft approach to it, but since phf decided to make a challenge out of it for no reason i can imagine, what can i say, let's make it a big deal.
mircea_popescu: if you have many hashes a) you won't have them all properly supported ever ; b) nobody's going to have multi-implementations for most of it.
asciilifeform: ugh did he manage to dig up a pre-timestampremoval vdiff.sh ?!
asciilifeform: as for keccak, util oughta take a bitness arg ( sorta half the win from keccak, is that you can demand e.g. kilobit hash output )
asciilifeform: i still dun fully grasp why hasher gotta be hardwired into the vtron. what's the point of even having a shell if not for pluggable items like hash.
phf: i've been using vpatch/vdiff without full blown v, because i can order the patches by hand (and there's now an explicit ordering provided by manifest), and vpatch verifies the hashes for me. it would be handy if i could also press existing sha patches with `vpatch -a sha` or whatever ☟︎
BingoBoingo: But I did suggest "Why is she still a maid"
phf: now the reason i kept the branches separate is because i was expecting a rapid switch to keccak as soon as one's available, so the need to deal with sha patches would've been rare. that's not the case, and i want to have similar functionality available for both sha and keccak until there's no more active sha patches in the wild.
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-07#1832417 << so far only one patch is using keccak, the new patches that came out are all sha512 and none of the existing projects attempted a regrind ☝︎
mircea_popescu: i didn't realise there's disadvantages to a gnat system
asciilifeform: in other lulz, asciilifeform was reading http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-07#1832679 and wondered why they wrote 'Rușia' then finally realized that it was a gnat stuck to asciilifeform's display ! ☝︎
mircea_popescu: i thought he went by account id which is a counter
mircea_popescu: consider, he walks a historical table. ☟︎
asciilifeform: ( keys with dupe mods get processed correctly, they are addressable as distinct keys but mods are references to a mods table, and dupes get marked as dupes. bernsteintron works on deduped mods table. )
deedbot: http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2018/07/07/a-look-at-fraudball-the-terrible-spectator-sport/ << Bingo Blog - A Look At Fraudball, The Terrible Spectator Sport
mircea_popescu: it's the direct equivalent of a key, actually. if you regard a rsa key as "a succession of 2048 binary questions" to which one gives exactly correct answers ; then ~choices you make~ are ultimately the basis of identity.
mircea_popescu: esthlos welcome to the mechanisms of lordship. it's your project, it's your job to make this sort of decisions. "should this be rewritten in lisp, imported in ada, be turned into a point of grafting on eucrypt tree ?" ☟︎
diana_coman: it can't hurt to have a lisp implementation of keccak too imo
mircea_popescu: i'm not suggesting either ; i'm just saying that you have two ways you could proceed. either identify among the code you wish to reuse a tree to nestle among, and then your vtron would be an eucrypt downstream item, or a phf vtron item or whatever you pick ;
mircea_popescu: esthlos if you patch ~off~ of eucrypt your whole thing becomes a patchset.
mircea_popescu: esthlos there's an eucrypt keccak you can either import (by patching off eucrypt) or copy over (as a different patch).
mircea_popescu: now, shelling out to diff / patch is one thing (though somewhat iffy for reasons discussed in a long thread, which phf mostly fixed). but shelling out to hasher is no longer possible because keccak implementation isn't shell.
mircea_popescu: trinque the idea is to get a definitive item, does everything.
mircea_popescu: esthlos genesis ~never needs redoing. it's a purely administrative decision, to regrind, dun sweat it.
esthlos: additionally, before I make another mistake, does this warrant redoing the genesis (because original item is broken?), or a new patch?
trinque: is the task for esthlos here to produce a patch util that cares about hashes, or to build all patching functionality into the vtron ?
mircea_popescu: gotta check that the trusted (as established by sigs) transformation is applied on a) what it expects to be applied and b) the provided transformation ~actually matches~ the described transformation that was trusted.
mircea_popescu: esthlos exactly. for all you know a) you're applying patches on the wrong fileset, resulting in a broken / uncompilable pile
mircea_popescu: why the fuck would you trust some random number from a file.
asciilifeform: 'my axe doesn't include a handle or blade, is this oversight' ?!
esthlos: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-06#1832404 << my vtron doesn't include a vdiffer or a patch-applier. was this an oversight? ☝︎
mircea_popescu: in otherr lulz, chick tastes my steak, "Hey, this isn't steak tartare ; this is steak a la mode"
mircea_popescu: it's a whole chumpatron, doing away with your social security & pension funds.
asciilifeform: but historically they always make a 'opposition' snakepit, 'can of pepsi on the left' etc
asciilifeform: incidentally nao that shithub has been officially absorbed into microshit, i expect there will be a 'digg -> reddit'-style exodus of deps to some new 'designated opposition' snakepit. but dunno where this is, yet.
mircea_popescu: demographically worse than a ww1.
mircea_popescu: imo the 6.9 -> 4.6 mn drop (ONE THIRD! in a coupla years!) is the news item of the month, year, whatever.
spyked: asciilifeform, phathub file contains RSA e and N only. but that's a good point, should also post the other ones under some raw form. ☟︎