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asciilifeform: but rather that he is revolted by the concept of antisocial capsule per se
phf: nah, there was that other guy who built a computerized nomadic boat house (i think he started with a computerized recumbent bike in the 80s) and unlike orlol he actually documented his process very extensively
asciilifeform: i suspect that mircea_popescu pisses on 'quidnon' for reasons which have nothing to do with hydrodynamics or metallurgy ☟︎
asciilifeform: iirc no one ever even ~tried~ the 'optimize for cost, survival boat' design prior. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: expensive wood is not a case of "hey, x team can never win, cedar lol"
mircea_popescu: people use plastic because cheaper plastic is cheaper than cheap wood, and there better.
asciilifeform: again the 'expensive' thing is rather like observing that f-16 parts are costly. yes, because golden toilet buyers. compare instead with mig.
mircea_popescu: nothing like the advantage doped silicone offers over old galene/lead whatevers.
asciilifeform: even the yacht folks are using fiberglass/epoxy.
mircea_popescu: plastics ain't that big a deal.
mircea_popescu: for the record, the hull design style of the vikings STILL IS! to this day! the best, fastest and so on.
asciilifeform: which is why i follow the subj.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the ibm example isn't so good. the sort of phenomena that were conquered to produce the 1k chickens 1950-1990 are very fucking different from the sort of phenomena the boat has to encounter,
asciilifeform: it is quite conceivable that there is item, which is recognizably a computer, but not one of the items for which ibm correctly assessed a market sized 5 units in '52.
mircea_popescu: phf i have nfi what any of the terms mean as used, for the record. we're in plebeconfusionland.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile the market for "boathouse" is composed of people who already own townhouse in large town ; also prepared to spend by the million.
asciilifeform: this is rather like that ibm fella who wrote 'there is a market for five computers'
asciilifeform: not this one.
mircea_popescu: you may be interested ; but the market for "sailboat" is composed of people who already own say a race horse, or sponsor a speed racing team etc ; they're ready to spend by the million.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform there is no "practical instrument" that is the unworkable cross between a hammer and a screwdriver.
mircea_popescu: best i can discern from the unexpected in this latest convo, he's trying to do something that makes no sense for the market, a sort of ostrich-camel of epic proportions.
asciilifeform: ... which cannot capsize, and is difficult to detect for pirate
mircea_popescu: nuclear one at that.
asciilifeform: imho orlov is making a mistake though - he ought to be designing a submarine.
mircea_popescu: see, a sailboat, ie, the thing you run sail and rigging championships etc with ? that thing has no generator, because it's heavy. most have no engine either, except where legally required on occasion, and the presence of engine is disdained universally. etc.
asciilifeform: and whole point of engineering is to convert 'that's nonsense' into 'grudgingly sense', powered by certain amount of money and elbow grease. consider space capsule.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: they are not made for this purpose, but he is attempting to design one which is..
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform well, that's nonsense, no saving it. fuck, sailboat with plumbing ? wut ?
mircea_popescu: i also never attempted to live in my shoes, or judge shoes by how "livable in" they are.
mircea_popescu: have you attempted to live in computer case ?
mircea_popescu: no, because they aren't made for this purpose.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: yes but did you attempt to ~live~ in them.
asciilifeform: an orlovian boat is a machine strictly smaller than a refrigerator truck.
mircea_popescu: i also sailed proper sailboats ; which have no plumbing. under discussion here, both from the introduction of the article you quote, and from his "live in boat" general outlook, are pointedly NOT sailboats.
asciilifeform: might account for some of the 'wtf' factor.
asciilifeform: from past orlov&boat threads, iirc mircea_popescu sailed titanic diesels.
asciilifeform: and lives in them, with wife and son even, and there is not much extra space.
mircea_popescu: this sounds very much like an item made pre 1980 than post 1990.
mircea_popescu: equires one to become a contortionist. Another common problem is lack of space for both the arm (with which to work on things) and the head (with which to look at what you are doing), meaning that much of the work has to do be done “by Braille.”
mircea_popescu: to quote : "Boat plumbing systems are virtually never designed with ease of maintenance in mind; mostly they are an afterthought, not so much engineered as crammed together in any space that’s available. A very common problem is that working on them requires the use of tools—screwdrivers, channel locks, sockets with ratchets—but there is no room to wield these tools in the normal manner, and just about every operation r
mircea_popescu: engineering took a sharp turn to sanity sometime in the 80s wrt to this sort of "vacuum spherical chicken" issue.
mircea_popescu: tbh i think it may rather be a matter of agwe
asciilifeform: has a number of unusual design features for self-sufficiency (flotation arch for uncapsizing, sub-style water tanks for emergency buoyancy, as described in linked piece, etc)
mircea_popescu: ~townhouse on water, so to speak.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i dunno about his nonsense. every (admittedly, large, expensive) boat i've been in had detachable pannels. you first take the shit OFF, then fuck with the pipes gauges etc in the normal manner. yes it takes 3x as long as if you were doing house plumbing, but that's about it.
mircea_popescu never likes the results, but perseveres reading orlov linked material.
asciilifeform: (for the impatient, last section, grep for 'blow the tanks')
asciilifeform: so they weren't wholly disposable.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: iirc the occasional harem washout was married off to a pasha
mircea_popescu: truly odd this theory, that they'd sell the paintings but not the girls.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform here, beyazit ordered paintings made for his father by bellini (sent from venice at sultan's request) sold in the bazaar and enough with this dumb shit.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform except who did any political business among the baths and wet tits ?! not really how it worked ; presuming the girl's not accepted back in... which is perhaps where the rub is.
mircea_popescu: there is such a thing as "why is e < 3??" "no reason" in nature, and from there in engineering. there isn't really such a thing in society, and from there in culture.
mircea_popescu: the basic, and really only, rule of hermeneutics is : that then you've understood a text when, far from its shortcomings appearing inexplicable errors, they become the actual pillars upon which the damned thing is constructed, and what originally seemed to you sensible and structural takes its true place as accidental. ☟︎☟︎
asciilifeform: possibly the 'no surplus chix!' thing has similar root causes.
asciilifeform: for the same reason as parrot.
asciilifeform: there was a toy, 'furby', sorta a stuffed devil, that would randomly memorize bits of speech heard from microphone
asciilifeform: for some reason my first thought is 'furby'
mircea_popescu: just, takes some study.
mircea_popescu: mno, there usually is a reason.
asciilifeform: just the way we set them jumpers.
mircea_popescu: it doesn't ~work~, but that's a very different story.
asciilifeform: i.e., the item above.
asciilifeform: at the core is a buncha very arbitrary jumper settings.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform not so. culture makes more sense, on average, than any bit of engineering.
asciilifeform: culture is the set of arbitrary window dressing that dun make sense.
mircea_popescu: with a little training they'll be more of a tool of state than the dubious religion
mircea_popescu: it makes sense to give out the girls also, neh ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform and yet they gave the nobles caftans, ie, "here's this holy piece of clothing, worth so much more than the fabric and cut to you because i'm giving it"
asciilifeform: always parked them in this old-palace-jail thing
mircea_popescu: you should read the poetry of the time, they were pretty drunk on a sort of adolescent male idealism perhaps best rendered as sportsfan-hiphop in today's terms.
shinohai: Logged 7-19-2016 08:39 +thestringpuller shinohai: they added steem to poloniex. shit is bubbling. i wish there was enough liquidity to go short. this is the ultimate bubble. <<<only teh American exchanges I see
asciilifeform: iirc they never, for some reason, surplussed the gurlz
mircea_popescu would have simply sold the girl, but then again /me is no turk.
asciilifeform: i bet he saw it as little different from modern bloke throwing out his pack of cigs 'tryin' to quit'
mircea_popescu: but the principle of the thing. "if you love her set her free" apparently means something else in ottoman turkish.
mircea_popescu: unrelatedly, since i apparently fell in a barrel of reading old history, fellow describing "the cruelty" of mehmed 2 : "for some books stolen from his secretary he punished an entire village to be moved to asia ; for a stolen watermelon he took the life of a suspected janissary, and he did not back down from killing with his own hand the most adored being in the harem, who had shackled him with her exceptional beauty to the p
mircea_popescu: anyway, the code || ideology parallel should be pretty obvious. yes people run other [from their wot] people's text, but this is neither obligatory nor particularly encouraged. on the contrary, with ideology as with code as with "wot maintenance best practices" and as with any other text, heterogeny is the key to victory.
mircea_popescu sees in the scrollback that the fact of there being no log has already been mentioned :D
mircea_popescu: o darn there's no...
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller ah i cv
thestringpuller: shinohai: they added steem to poloniex. shit is bubbling. i wish there was enough liquidity to go short. this is the ultimate bubble.
thestringpuller: Its like setting off a nuke to kill a mouse...
thestringpuller: If shit really hits the fan with the hardfork, the doors are nailed shut indefinitely.
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: "In addition, for those interested in keeping their tokens from the losing blockchain as a keepsake, we will support a one-time withdrawal of the deprecated tokens, provided that the losing chain is still functional when you attempt a withdrawal. Specific instructions on how to access your tokens on the old chain to follow."
mircea_popescu: not that it's much of a concern, there's exactly ONE customer doing eth on poloniex. but as a theoretical thing.
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller and if there's two chains surviving, customer gets one poloniex gets to keep the other ?
mircea_popescu: so to sum up, the process is more like washing than anything else. gunk removal.
mircea_popescu: laziness is a natural want, and unavoidable. (no, wanting your children to survive is not natural, but perverse, and a major part of what makes kant's timber crooked.)
mircea_popescu: something that may appear as a subcase but i believe is not (not that the dispute is all that relevant) and in any case is more numerous is the jwz : the fellow that "just wants to" keep right on being lazy.
mircea_popescu: this is always and everywhere personal failure, sometimes a forced mistake (like the female's universal "wanting kids to survive", which is stupid but nevertheless part of her ample array of genital curses)
mircea_popescu: a few of them, recently called the "hopefuls" but otherwise simply the incarnation of evil, are capable of handling the statement of their assumptions, but are unwilling to separate themselves from what "they want", which is usually stupid but that's not something they're prepared to face.
mircea_popescu: obviously, most derps are, owing to fundamental genetic insufficiency, unable to handle the plain statement of their assumptions. these, we call cattle.
mircea_popescu: so the way deculturation works is, derp comes to tmsr, makes statements, which belie assumptions, which are explicitly stated BY someone in tmsr for the first time in derp's experience, and then rejected explicitly. sometimes a cause is presented, but this is not particularly "better" than none being offered. the burden is on the derp ANYWAY.
mircea_popescu: (take for instance the "independent" demo as described in http://trilema.com/2016/please-stop-using-dns-already-and-other-considerations/#footnote_6_65060 and more generally by Ballas. it's well over 100k loi, most of which are involved with covering up the fact that there's any ideology at work in the first place)
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-17#1504193 << there is no $ideology per se ; tmsr is principally characterized by lack of ideology. everyone else has one, however, and they're often patently insane and amazingly complex. ☝︎☟︎
thestringpuller: Also they are nailing the doors shut on Ether tomorrow until "clear winner": "As a Poloniex customer, you do not need to do anything. The migration will occur automatically, and your full balance of Ethereum will be transferred to the winning chain. Keep in mind that as we near the fork, we will be temporarily disabling deposits and withdrawals in preparation for the migration process. Trading will continue to operate as normal during ☟︎
thestringpuller: https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/4tj82o/hes_back_with_stupid_tweets_now_comparing_the/d5hrewa << for those wanting to follow the brain damage.
thestringpuller: "I've noticed a trend with these guys. They're too dumb to even know they are clowns. Well I guess they're focused on the present and not the future. Money counts for these guys. He's nothing but a banker selling btc." and has reply >> "Dunning–Kruger effect" It's odd reading comments like that on reddit.
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